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Topic: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH - page 263. (Read 451266 times)

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this page warms the cockles of my old heart   Smiley good to see BMT and SP-T discussing things and acting together.
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Not my thread, I'll be quick. Please PM your order #

My PM is sent as well...
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@Spondoolies-Tech,

Good Catch!  


@727Miner,  Hope you get your refund!!!  Bring your refund $ to us for a better $/GH and W/GH miner for longer expected mining duration!   Grin Grin Grin



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http://www.cesweb.org/
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S5 Available to Purchase with a Credit Card for USA Customers

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00RBV2OE6/ref=sr_1_2_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1419741122&sr=8-2&keywords=Antminer+S5&condition=new

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Thanks.. I have purchased lots of S1, S2 and S3 hardware and have been very happy with them. I skipped the S4 lot but am considering buying the S5's since I have plenty of power supplies and the form factor fits my space well. I'm just waiting to hear some reviews from some of the members on here.
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Something about this chip gives me the feeling that all mining will eventually go the way of underclocked ASICS.  Its a lot less GH but its so much lower J/G.

Chips are not much more than the cost of sand if you own the manufacturing and intellectual property.. clearly a growth path to sell miners with more and more chips per unit with low power requirements one the tech is proven to be stable to the community I would think.   It seems like it would be easy to double the hashing output with similar cooling and power consumption when the timing is right for bitmain to do so.

I'm not an EE genius.. but I don't understand why they wouldnt eventually just use different DC-DC modules internally to provide 9v or 12v w/ standard PSU.  Possibly saving that for the next miner with the BM1384?  I also don't fully understand the string vs chain discussions going on..  I guess stringing the chips make other chips dependant on one another for hashing output.. My mind draws analogies to a string of christmas lights where the rest go out when a bulb blows, or running a bunch of hard drives in raid 0 (other drives in the array have useless data with the missing member).  Of course I haven't scoured the discussions on these matters, and have only gleaned over the facts... but there sure is a lot of crazy heated discussion going on.  Anyone have any link backs to messages in this thread or other threads which may help to learn me up.   When I get a minute I'll try to read over the BM1384 whitepaper, I assume it might be the source of a lot of this conjecture.

So far MOST of the bitmain stuff I have purchased has been pretty on point and meets the specs which they claim their miners should meet*, and have publicly and quickly adjusted those specs when they were not accurate..  Ie. Antminer S3 launch 480GH/s -> 441GH/s and even gave refunds for the hashing difference if you purchased when they claimed it would be 480GH/s

(*Its important to note that honesty is good business, but bitmain isn't in the business of charity, you would be lucky to mine back the BTC you spend buying any miner.. so do this for the fun of it.. Don't buy miners to profit.. companies which make miners certainly aren't selling them so you can make a profit.. you WON'T make a profit mining.. Expect 60% of your BTC to come back that you spend AFTER you pay the electric bill. the shrewd miners who do still mine do it for the love of mining and they will sell their equip to recoup and break even, and buy back in on the next most efficient equipment.. even though they know even that isnt the sane investment to make.. The smartest miners probably rebuy their BTC so they are spending fiat not crypto, so at the end of the day they can see some justifiable profit.. even though buying BTC would have been much smarter.. but not nearly as tangible, or fun.)

As far as spondoolies goes.  I love my Sp20's.... great miners.  However the Spondoolie guys clearly overstated its hashing power at 1.7TH.  Honest marketing here would have been 1.333TH/s @ .55J/Gh at the wall...  with overclocking to 1.55TH/s (1.7TH/s being possible but not guaranteed)..  This is the real specs of the Sp20 miner...  And what about those refunds they said they would be sending for slipped delivery dates.. I never got one?  Did anyone?

Anyway.. I can understand concerns with chip failures.. they happen.. and if it takes out a whole string permanantly if a chip dies permanantly.. thats bad bad bad.. but so far every other antminer I have owned (well over 30 so far) have had exceedingly resilient asics... if one did overheat it has always come back after a reboot if it dropped off because of an overclock, and always behaved well when it was clocked at the advertised frequencies... When deployed sanely the built in safeties seem to do their job.. and allow an adjustment to consistently stable operation.

I'm just sharing some thoughts.  

Rich


Nope, I never got a refund from SPT for the slipped SP20 dates back in November.. I have emailed Barbara and Katya multiple times about it and they just blow me off with empty promises. Their miners are top notch and well built but their slow shipping and poor communication make dealing with them a hassle.
Not my thread, I'll be quick. Please PM your order #

PM sent..
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
We see no issues with the post!  We all have to work together to keep the customer happy.  Bitcoin 2.0, keep the business CLEAN and Honest!!  This Forum is a big family in a way Smiley

We didn't send as many as you did, but yes, we shipped out some Demo Units to Legendary and Hero Members!  We are learning the tricks fast  Grin Grin Grin

Some may got caught up in the holiday shipping delay/closure but they should be finally arriving on Monday or so  Cheesy

Happy Holidays!  Hope BTC Bull will take some Caffein steroid and hops on a jet engine to get to the MOON!!!


@Spondoolies-Tech,

Good Catch!  


@727Miner,  Hope you get your refund!!!  Bring your refund $ to us for a better $/GH and W/GH miner for longer expected mining duration!   Grin Grin Grin


It's not fair, I shouldn't reply in your thread.
Can't resist it though. All statements are untrue.
I suggest that you'll do legendaries reviews party for the S5 to prove.  Grin
Amen.
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We see no issues with the post!  We all have to work together to keep the customer happy.  Bitcoin 2.0, keep the business CLEAN and Honest!!  This Forum is a big family in a way Smiley

We didn't send as many as you did, but yes, we shipped out some Demo Units to Legendary and Hero Members!  We are learning the tricks fast  Grin Grin Grin

Some may got caught up in the holiday shipping delay/closure but they should be finally arriving on Monday or so  Cheesy

Happy Holidays!  Hope BTC Bull will take some Caffein steroid and hops on a jet engine to get to the MOON!!!


@Spondoolies-Tech,

Good Catch!  


@727Miner,  Hope you get your refund!!!  Bring your refund $ to us for a better $/GH and W/GH miner for longer expected mining duration!   Grin Grin Grin


It's not fair, I shouldn't reply in your thread.
Can't resist it though. All statements are untrue.
I suggest that you'll do legendaries reviews party for the S5 to prove.  Grin
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
@Spondoolies-Tech,

Good Catch!  


@727Miner,  Hope you get your refund!!!  Bring your refund $ to us for a better $/GH and W/GH miner for longer expected mining duration!   Grin Grin Grin


It's not fair, I shouldn't reply in your thread.
Can't resist it though. All statements are untrue.
I suggest that you'll do legendaries reviews party for the S5 to prove.  Grin
donator
Activity: 792
Merit: 510
@Spondoolies-Tech,

Good Catch!  


@727Miner,  Hope you get your refund!!!  Bring your refund $ to us for a better $/GH and W/GH miner for longer expected mining duration!   Grin Grin Grin



************************************************
Bitmain will be at the 2015 International CES Show
in Las Vegas, USA -  January 6-9, 2015.
http://www.cesweb.org/
************************************************

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

S5 Available to Purchase with a Credit Card for USA Customers

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00RBV2OE6/ref=sr_1_2_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1419741122&sr=8-2&keywords=Antminer+S5&condition=new

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
Something about this chip gives me the feeling that all mining will eventually go the way of underclocked ASICS.  Its a lot less GH but its so much lower J/G.

Chips are not much more than the cost of sand if you own the manufacturing and intellectual property.. clearly a growth path to sell miners with more and more chips per unit with low power requirements one the tech is proven to be stable to the community I would think.   It seems like it would be easy to double the hashing output with similar cooling and power consumption when the timing is right for bitmain to do so.

I'm not an EE genius.. but I don't understand why they wouldnt eventually just use different DC-DC modules internally to provide 9v or 12v w/ standard PSU.  Possibly saving that for the next miner with the BM1384?  I also don't fully understand the string vs chain discussions going on..  I guess stringing the chips make other chips dependant on one another for hashing output.. My mind draws analogies to a string of christmas lights where the rest go out when a bulb blows, or running a bunch of hard drives in raid 0 (other drives in the array have useless data with the missing member).  Of course I haven't scoured the discussions on these matters, and have only gleaned over the facts... but there sure is a lot of crazy heated discussion going on.  Anyone have any link backs to messages in this thread or other threads which may help to learn me up.   When I get a minute I'll try to read over the BM1384 whitepaper, I assume it might be the source of a lot of this conjecture.

So far MOST of the bitmain stuff I have purchased has been pretty on point and meets the specs which they claim their miners should meet*, and have publicly and quickly adjusted those specs when they were not accurate..  Ie. Antminer S3 launch 480GH/s -> 441GH/s and even gave refunds for the hashing difference if you purchased when they claimed it would be 480GH/s

(*Its important to note that honesty is good business, but bitmain isn't in the business of charity, you would be lucky to mine back the BTC you spend buying any miner.. so do this for the fun of it.. Don't buy miners to profit.. companies which make miners certainly aren't selling them so you can make a profit.. you WON'T make a profit mining.. Expect 60% of your BTC to come back that you spend AFTER you pay the electric bill. the shrewd miners who do still mine do it for the love of mining and they will sell their equip to recoup and break even, and buy back in on the next most efficient equipment.. even though they know even that isnt the sane investment to make.. The smartest miners probably rebuy their BTC so they are spending fiat not crypto, so at the end of the day they can see some justifiable profit.. even though buying BTC would have been much smarter.. but not nearly as tangible, or fun.)

As far as spondoolies goes.  I love my Sp20's.... great miners.  However the Spondoolie guys clearly overstated its hashing power at 1.7TH.  Honest marketing here would have been 1.333TH/s @ .55J/Gh at the wall...  with overclocking to 1.55TH/s (1.7TH/s being possible but not guaranteed)..  This is the real specs of the Sp20 miner...  And what about those refunds they said they would be sending for slipped delivery dates.. I never got one?  Did anyone?

Anyway.. I can understand concerns with chip failures.. they happen.. and if it takes out a whole string permanantly if a chip dies permanantly.. thats bad bad bad.. but so far every other antminer I have owned (well over 30 so far) have had exceedingly resilient asics... if one did overheat it has always come back after a reboot if it dropped off because of an overclock, and always behaved well when it was clocked at the advertised frequencies... When deployed sanely the built in safeties seem to do their job.. and allow an adjustment to consistently stable operation.

I'm just sharing some thoughts.  

Rich


Nope, I never got a refund from SPT for the slipped SP20 dates back in November.. I have emailed Barbara and Katya multiple times about it and they just blow me off with empty promises. Their miners are top notch and well built but their slow shipping and poor communication make dealing with them a hassle.
Not my thread, I'll be quick. Please PM your order #
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Wire Transfer payment Processing Time varies depends on where you send the money from and if the sending bank has direct wire to the receiving end or it requires intermediary bank then to out of the country. 

Example, the wire transfer from the major bank that doesn't require intermediary could show up as the same night, or the next business day. 

While the originating bank that requires intermediary bank to send the international wire may take 3-4 business days before Bitmain receives pending incoming wire notice and 1 additional business day to clear the actual wire.

Wire payment should show PAID in your account, as those are manually processed by the international sales team.


What's the usual confirmation time on an order getting switched from unpaid to paid after a wire transfer, or does it never update? My recollection from the S1/S2 days is that the website often never gets updated with that kind of thing, but it'd be nice to make sure the transfer made it through.

Since its a manual process it wouldn't hurt to follow up with an e-mail to [email protected] with the relevant details..


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Something about this chip gives me the feeling that all mining will eventually go the way of underclocked ASICS.  Its a lot less GH but its so much lower J/G.

Chips are not much more than the cost of sand if you own the manufacturing and intellectual property.. clearly a growth path to sell miners with more and more chips per unit with low power requirements one the tech is proven to be stable to the community I would think.   It seems like it would be easy to double the hashing output with similar cooling and power consumption when the timing is right for bitmain to do so.

I'm not an EE genius.. but I don't understand why they wouldnt eventually just use different DC-DC modules internally to provide 9v or 12v w/ standard PSU.  Possibly saving that for the next miner with the BM1384?  I also don't fully understand the string vs chain discussions going on..  I guess stringing the chips make other chips dependant on one another for hashing output.. My mind draws analogies to a string of christmas lights where the rest go out when a bulb blows, or running a bunch of hard drives in raid 0 (other drives in the array have useless data with the missing member).  Of course I haven't scoured the discussions on these matters, and have only gleaned over the facts... but there sure is a lot of crazy heated discussion going on.  Anyone have any link backs to messages in this thread or other threads which may help to learn me up.   When I get a minute I'll try to read over the BM1384 whitepaper, I assume it might be the source of a lot of this conjecture.

So far MOST of the bitmain stuff I have purchased has been pretty on point and meets the specs which they claim their miners should meet*, and have publicly and quickly adjusted those specs when they were not accurate..  Ie. Antminer S3 launch 480GH/s -> 441GH/s and even gave refunds for the hashing difference if you purchased when they claimed it would be 480GH/s

(*Its important to note that honesty is good business, but bitmain isn't in the business of charity, you would be lucky to mine back the BTC you spend buying any miner.. so do this for the fun of it.. Don't buy miners to profit.. companies which make miners certainly aren't selling them so you can make a profit.. you WON'T make a profit mining.. Expect 60% of your BTC to come back that you spend AFTER you pay the electric bill. the shrewd miners who do still mine do it for the love of mining and they will sell their equip to recoup and break even, and buy back in on the next most efficient equipment.. even though they know even that isnt the sane investment to make.. The smartest miners probably rebuy their BTC so they are spending fiat not crypto, so at the end of the day they can see some justifiable profit.. even though buying BTC would have been much smarter.. but not nearly as tangible, or fun.)

As far as spondoolies goes.  I love my Sp20's.... great miners.  However the Spondoolie guys clearly overstated its hashing power at 1.7TH.  Honest marketing here would have been 1.333TH/s @ .55J/Gh at the wall...  with overclocking to 1.55TH/s (1.7TH/s being possible but not guaranteed)..  This is the real specs of the Sp20 miner...  And what about those refunds they said they would be sending for slipped delivery dates.. I never got one?  Did anyone?

Anyway.. I can understand concerns with chip failures.. they happen.. and if it takes out a whole string permanantly if a chip dies permanantly.. thats bad bad bad.. but so far every other antminer I have owned (well over 30 so far) have had exceedingly resilient asics... if one did overheat it has always come back after a reboot if it dropped off because of an overclock, and always behaved well when it was clocked at the advertised frequencies... When deployed sanely the built in safeties seem to do their job.. and allow an adjustment to consistently stable operation.

I'm just sharing some thoughts.  

Rich


Nope, I never got a refund from SPT for the slipped SP20 dates back in November.. I have emailed Barbara and Katya multiple times about it and they just blow me off with empty promises. Their miners are top notch and well built but their slow shipping and poor communication make dealing with them a hassle.
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What's the usual confirmation time on an order getting switched from unpaid to paid after a wire transfer, or does it never update? My recollection from the S1/S2 days is that the website often never gets updated with that kind of thing, but it'd be nice to make sure the transfer made it through.

Since its a manual process it wouldn't hurt to follow up with an e-mail to [email protected] with the relevant details..

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Something about this chip gives me the feeling that all mining will eventually go the way of underclocked ASICS.  Its a lot less GH but its so much lower J/G.

That's typically what the second revision of a generation is - more chips and less extreme clock rates. It wouldn't make sense for the first product in a generation though as the W/GH is already sufficiently low, compared with the potential loss of GH to get down further.
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What's the usual confirmation time on an order getting switched from unpaid to paid after a wire transfer, or does it never update? My recollection from the S1/S2 days is that the website often never gets updated with that kind of thing, but it'd be nice to make sure the transfer made it through.

Wire transfer confirmations can take a few days to show, you'll probably get a dispatch confirmation have the product dispatched at the same time. You can email info@ with your transfer details to help match it up to you.
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What's the usual confirmation time on an order getting switched from unpaid to paid after a wire transfer, or does it never update? My recollection from the S1/S2 days is that the website often never gets updated with that kind of thing, but it'd be nice to make sure the transfer made it through.
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Something about this chip gives me the feeling that all mining will eventually go the way of underclocked ASICS.  Its a lot less GH but its so much lower J/G.

Chips are not much more than the cost of sand if you own the manufacturing and intellectual property.. clearly a growth path to sell miners with more and more chips per unit with low power requirements one the tech is proven to be stable to the community I would think.   It seems like it would be easy to double the hashing output with similar cooling and power consumption when the timing is right for bitmain to do so.

I'm not an EE genius.. but I don't understand why they wouldnt eventually just use different DC-DC modules internally to provide 9v or 12v w/ standard PSU.  Possibly saving that for the next miner with the BM1384?  I also don't fully understand the string vs chain discussions going on..  I guess stringing the chips make other chips dependant on one another for hashing output.. My mind draws analogies to a string of christmas lights where the rest go out when a bulb blows, or running a bunch of hard drives in raid 0 (other drives in the array have useless data with the missing member).  Of course I haven't scoured the discussions on these matters, and have only gleaned over the facts... but there sure is a lot of crazy heated discussion going on.  Anyone have any link backs to messages in this thread or other threads which may help to learn me up.   When I get a minute I'll try to read over the BM1384 whitepaper, I assume it might be the source of a lot of this conjecture.

So far MOST of the bitmain stuff I have purchased has been pretty on point and meets the specs which they claim their miners should meet*, and have publicly and quickly adjusted those specs when they were not accurate..  Ie. Antminer S3 launch 480GH/s -> 441GH/s and even gave refunds for the hashing difference if you purchased when they claimed it would be 480GH/s

(*Its important to note that honesty is good business, but bitmain isn't in the business of charity, you would be lucky to mine back the BTC you spend buying any miner.. so do this for the fun of it.. Don't buy miners to profit.. companies which make miners certainly aren't selling them so you can make a profit.. you WON'T make a profit mining.. Expect 60% of your BTC to come back that you spend AFTER you pay the electric bill. the shrewd miners who do still mine do it for the love of mining and they will sell their equip to recoup and break even, and buy back in on the next most efficient equipment.. even though they know even that isnt the sane investment to make.. The smartest miners probably rebuy their BTC so they are spending fiat not crypto, so at the end of the day they can see some justifiable profit.. even though buying BTC would have been much smarter.. but not nearly as tangible, or fun.)

As far as spondoolies goes.  I love my Sp20's.... great miners.  However the Spondoolie guys clearly overstated its hashing power at 1.7TH.  Honest marketing here would have been 1.333TH/s @ .55J/Gh at the wall...  with overclocking to 1.55TH/s (1.7TH/s being possible but not guaranteed)..  This is the real specs of the Sp20 miner...  And what about those refunds they said they would be sending for slipped delivery dates.. I never got one?  Did anyone?

Anyway.. I can understand concerns with chip failures.. they happen.. and if it takes out a whole string permanantly if a chip dies permanantly.. thats bad bad bad.. but so far every other antminer I have owned (well over 30 so far) have had exceedingly resilient asics... if one did overheat it has always come back after a reboot if it dropped off because of an overclock, and always behaved well when it was clocked at the advertised frequencies... When deployed sanely the built in safeties seem to do their job.. and allow an adjustment to consistently stable operation.

I'm just sharing some thoughts.  

Rich
legendary
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That's all the S2 is, is sorely underclocked S1 - even used the same VRM hardware. Twice as many chips per bank, half the speed and half the power. Underclocking new hardware is really a discussion in arbitrary stock setpoints - when a new ASIC is released, they could say "the stock point is 0.5W/GH but it underclocks to 0.2W/GH" or they could say "the stock point is 0.2W/GH but it overclocks to 0.5W/GH" and nothing really changes (except maybe the retail price). All mining will go the way of economically-efficiently-clocked ASICs; whether that's "underclocked" or not is mostly semantics.
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Something about this chip gives me the feeling that all mining will eventually go the way of underclocked ASICS.  Its a lot less GH but its so much lower J/G.

yeah after I have run my sp20's from spondoolies   and I get

.47 at 1000 gh = 470 watts
or .756  at 1620 gh =  1225 watts      


I think these will be the same    hard to knock the power savings from underclocking
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Something about this chip gives me the feeling that all mining will eventually go the way of underclocked ASICS.  Its a lot less GH but its so much lower J/G.
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I think this one may be one to use. It will adjust down to 9.5v at 36A. http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-Power-Supply-Adj-Volts-9-5-Up-To-15-VDC-36A-12-03-/371222321916? Have not had to use these PSU's since I got rid of the USB miners. But the undervolting of the S5 is why I bought one to try and may replace all my S3's with it.
yes and I linked a buy it now above 69 dollars
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400-Watt-9-15-DC-Volts-Adjustable-36-Amp-Power-Supply-Real-USA-MegaWatt-/180777051248?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1726e470

problem is its rated at 30A for a 100% duty cycle (like bitcoin mining is) so the S5 would pull more power than is available for most voltages. Bitmain says that 10A+ will be sufficient for 9V but i imagine that only applies to a single blade

12v/14 chips = 0.86V (stock is 0.8V?)
10v/14 chips = 0.71V or ~0.34w/GH or ~780Gh = 265W (26.5 A)
9v/14 chips = 0.64V or ~0.26w/GH or ~560Gh = 145.6W (16 A)   

plus, at 9V draw, the linked power supply is likely <~85% efficient so youll be drawing more power at the wall

  yeah I found I have enough on hand to fully test this.

 I advise no one to try it if they do not have the psu in hand.  If I recall the 2 psu's I found are only 80% so savings are not much power wise.    9/12  volts is 75 percent less   but an 80 percent power supply vs a 92% atx loses a lot of power

example  600 watts x .75 = 450 watts / .8 = 562 watts

vs  600 watts / .92 =  652 watts.

 So  the savings of 150 watts  because  volt reduction of  reduces to  savings of 90 watts due to the psu lacking good efficiency .

I will do testing because  I have spoken with a member about an adapter for a psu like the evga 1300 g2.  It would make the psu maybe go from 92 % to 87 %   and give the same volt reduction to  9 volts..

This translates to 450 watts/ .87 =  517 watts   
 
which is  better then the 562 watts possible  with the cheap megawatt psu's

All of this is theory  not tested.  So I advise  all to delay buying the megawatt psu's for just a bit of time.

So what's all the hoo haa about 0.2j/GH?

these are all possible down clock ideas. 

the s-1 went from 180gh to 140gh  and from 360 watts to  170 watts  or 2 watts a gh to 1.2 watts

so if the ideas being tossed about can work ..

we may go from 1100 gh and 600 watts = .54 to

OK. Sorry, I skipped a couple of beats. Now I see the 9v 0.26w/GH @ 560GH.

Carry on
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