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Topic: ANTMINER S7 is available at bitmaintech.com with 4.86TH/s, 0.25J/GH - page 266. (Read 527809 times)

hero member
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I am disappointed with the lack of respect shown to me in this case.

Really? Bitmain has generally shown a lack of respect to everyone. Why would you expect your experience to be different?

THIS...

Why do I expect respect from bitmaintech?

I guess I just a naive person.

But I did some nice legwork for free on the s-7 because they were good to me on the s-5.

They sent a free s-5 to me for review. So when my s-7's came from batch one I did a free thread to help show how quiet the s-7 can be made.

I also did a fix it thread showing how to fix the under hashing via soft reboot.

This was to be helpful to miners and to bitmaintech.
This was being respectful to both Miners and bitmaintech.

In turn for me respecting them and being honorable to them they have not done the same to me.

Such is life I will check my account and maybe I have a shipment.

No info on shipping oh well.

Now that is why "no good deed goes unpunished" and I know all about that!
And from the other 1957 geezer.
You have been very helpful to many folk, myself included.
Yoshi seems to indicate that things are ready to move.
I think we will all be satisfied soon.
I'll be getting mine after you because mine have to go through him first.
He has not disappointed me in the past.
legendary
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I am disappointed with the lack of respect shown to me in this case.

Really? Bitmain has generally shown a lack of respect to everyone. Why would you expect your experience to be different?

THIS...

Why do I expect respect from bitmaintech?

I guess I just a naive person.

But I did some nice legwork for free on the s-7 because they were good to me on the s-5.

They sent a free s-5 to me for review. So when my s-7's came from batch one I did a free thread to help show how quiet the s-7 can be made.

I also did a fix it thread showing how to fix the under hashing via soft reboot.

This was to be helpful to miners and to bitmaintech.
This was being respectful to both Miners and bitmaintech.

In turn for me respecting them and being honorable to them they have not done the same to me.

Such is life I will check my account and maybe I have a shipment.

No info on shipping oh well.

Now that is why "no good deed goes unpunished" and I know all about that!
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
I am disappointed with the lack of respect shown to me in this case.

Really? Bitmain has generally shown a lack of respect to everyone. Why would you expect your experience to be different?

THIS...

Why do I expect respect from bitmaintech?

I guess I just a naive person.

But I did some nice legwork for free on the s-7 because they were good to me on the s-5.

They sent a free s-5 to me for review. So when my s-7's came from batch one I did a free thread to help show how quiet the s-7 can be made.

I also did a fix it thread showing how to fix the under hashing via soft reboot.

This was to be helpful to miners and to bitmaintech.
This was being respectful to both Miners and bitmaintech.

In turn for me respecting them and being honorable to them they have not done the same to me.

Such is life I will check my account and maybe I have a shipment.

No info on shipping oh well.
legendary
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Go Big or Go Home.....
I am disappointed with the lack of respect shown to me in this case.

Really? Bitmain has generally shown a lack of respect to everyone. Why would you expect your experience to be different?

THIS...
legendary
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Technical Analyst/Trader

I just believe if and/or when 14/16nm chips are available in rigs, they will be quite pricey.  
They are taking preorders and have a price for bulk buyers
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“The miners are now available for pre-order at a price of 0.87 BTC with a minimum order of 333 miners which is 1 petahash,” Virgilio Lizardo Jr., Head of International at Bitbank told Bitcoin Magazine in an exclusive interview. “This price will be available until November 11, 2015. This winter, the miners will be available with no minimum order required; the price at this time has not been decided yet.”
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bw-to-launch-nm-chip-and-miner-for-general-population-1445278227

For whatever reason, I got to thinking about this article saying the following:  “BW will produce the amount needed [in the first batch] to reach our goal of 48P [petahashes] per month at our newest mining farm currently under construction.”

I find that rather hard to believe.  At 3,500 GH/s per rig, that would be 14,000 rigs manufactured each month to achieve 48,000,000 GH/s (48 PH/s).  And then, they want to sell to other people as well... in addition to what they will put in their newest mining farm currently under construction?   Cheesy

I honestly believe that was another typo.  I believe they meant to say 4.8 PH/s instead of 48 PH/s each month.  Also, could you imagine the size of a facility that has 14,000 rigs dumped into it EACH MONTH?  The article sounds completely ridiculous to me or it's just full of a lot of errors.  If it is in fact an error, 4,8 PH/s each month with 1,400 rigs sounds more obtainable than 14,000 rigs while also selling to others outside of BW.
hero member
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Here is an interesting Question:

What are the improvements of the new firmware for the S7?

-more controlled hash rates?
-less energy usage?
-better virus protection?

Anyone have any answers?


Alternative Question:

If I have a Batch1 do I download 600 or 575?
If your s7 came clocked at 600 use 600, clocked at 575 use 575.
I had just one come clocked at 575, went with 600 anyway and bumped the clock to 600.
Only does 4.7 now instead of the original 4.6 but seems to work ok.
Getting a tiny bit better hashrate with the new 600 October 23 firmware.



legendary
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Many people bitched previously, yet those same people came back to buy again.. Tells Bitmain none of the bitching matters..

What's the alternative? If you want to continue mining, of course.
legendary
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https://www.bitworks.io
Many people bitched previously, yet those same people came back to buy again.. Tells Bitmain none of the bitching matters..
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.msg
Still waiting on my order.

Put in a batch 2 order on the 29th of sept  

I got pillaged by them on this.

I had 2 batch ones and they went from 4850 to 4400.  So I delayed the batch 2 order.

I spent 2 days fixing the error.  Posted a detailed fix on site that helped dozens of miners with the issue.

I asked them to give me back my coupon on the batch 2 as the order was not paid.  I wanted to switch to batch three.

They said no they won't issue a new coupon.

But that I could buy the batch 2.

I did.  They have not shipped the batch 2 and have shipped dozens of batch 3's out.

To make things worse coins shifted.  So I could have had a batch 3 cheaper then I paid the batch 2.

So I lost over .9btc on the price shift  and  they have yet to ship.

All because I spent the time to fix my gear and post a how to.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-bitmaintech-s-7-underpreforms-at-freq-600-freq-550-not-freq-500-fixed-1196671

For the rest of us.  I don't mind the price shift it happens.  I do mind they refused to issue a replacement coupon that would have allow me to switch to batch three.

Now to be fair they did give me a review s-5 last year. So I  guess its a push.

I am disappointed with the lack of respect shown to me in this case.


Phil I applaud you for making a post referencing this continued display of more of the same lack of respect by bitmain.
This is yet another huge example of how bitmain handles business. maybe now that you and so many others have spoken out more of the few people who completely ignore these facts when discussing bitmain as a manufacturer will include items such as this.

The main problem is communication from where it matters. Bitmain China is deadly silent. You can reach support in the US and have a fantastic experience, except, they cannot do anything to help unless you are willing to pay for it even when under warranty unless China tells them it is OK first. You will not receive a communication regarding your order for weeks. Maybe I have been lucky all my life in not being involved with a company who didn't do whatever it took to make things happen. There are always issues to be addressed, you cannot get a shipment of this, you have a person who made a huge mistake and it cost you thousands and an immense amount of rework time, but things happen. Maybe it is that I have truly had past luck, (I wish I'd been mining then) because I've worked with people where we work all night if that is what it takes, we spend obscene amounts of money to go the extra mile for customer satisfaction, and you cannot always make everyone happy, but there is a huge difference between someone complaining about a questionable issue versus a lack of communication for weeks when people have sent thousands of dollars, a lack of an explanation of why their was such a varying hashrate with the product which was shipped, and then without a peep go on vacation. To truly add insult to injury the continuing lack of proper communication, when people do hear something it is the compensation (which is not close to appropriate compensation in my opinion), and the same specific patterns have continued with people receiving batch 3s prior to Batch 2, some people are still receiving batch 1s as of a few days ago, and we make it to where we are today with this still, very upsetting lack of communication and what I consider to be a lack of respect as a customer.

Does anyone think that bitmain can't afford to have a customer service department who addresses these very real customer service related issues?
We aren't talking technical problems right now, we are talking ship dates, valid warranty part requests, serious billing or financial issues, and again, these items are first and foremost ignored with some offering the reason that they are too busy, and overloaded after the holiday. We have people who haven't even purchased an S7 commenting regularly and stating negative opinions about these things.

I feel for you Phillip and I have had these same experiences along with many others. This is not specifically an issue with any one of those things, this is a lack of communication and a lack of caring about your customer. These two things do not have to be together, even a business where people hit the door within a few seconds of quitting time have a way to communicate the why, how long, we are working on this, etc but the lack of being concerned about the customer experience or brand loyalty from a business perspective is unusual because very few can pull it off and be successful over a long period. I would say in the number of businesses who were / are successful with this here in the US are monopolies such as utilities and internet providers.

Most of us who have been exposed to monopolies do have a few examples of why they do not last. AT&T comes to mind and they are trying to become one again since being broken up. At least they will have to continue working for it. They also answer the phone and love it if you communicate via email. I am not comparing AT&T to bitmain as they are beyond comparison in too many areas and would be apples to oranges. I am comparing Bitmain to a company who was found to be a monopoly.

I have no doubt Bitmain have customer service personnel who are extremely good, who can take care of issues, and in general have people on staff who do the best they can. This is a problem at the very top, the decision makers, and where they are using the resources. They need to assign people who will professionally engage each issue, a team to establish a proper online / forum presence, people who have the ability to maintain an appropriate business attitude, and these people must express positive ethics and morals relative to customer expectations. It does not resemble a company with the direction required to put their best and brightest, the right people, in front of the end users. I don't mean they need to have engineers out here making forum posts, but a professional set of accounts who have the ability and support to address the legitimate problems. You cannot put someone who has no clue about what they are doing in the public eye because you can pay them next to nothing.

I hope you see your shipment soon, and I think you may see it quicker than the average Joe out here, but I do not fault you for that. You have a great reputation and presence here on the forum and they should recognize such and get on the ball. I must say that in itself is unusual for a business who cares about customer loyalty. You would never let someone with a great reputation known by hundreds of other customers and potential new customers to go without word on money he spent. You would damn sure make sure the guy who can have such an impact is kept happy in the world I live in.

Good Luck Sir
The S5+ also came with only being able to email info@bitmain for warranty issues.

Edit:
I wanted to add that Yoshi has proven resourceful and helpful for many people many times. He either has the authority, or can speak with the right people to make the appropriate decisions and communicate with the end user. He is not perfect and he and I have previously been at odds, but overall I believe he has saved a great deal of business for bitmain and would be the reason people returned to bitmain in a competitive mining ecosystem. He seems much more in touch with what is right regarding a business relationship.   
newbie
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My order placed on 29.9 with payment confirmed same day is still unshipped
Anyone else?

newbie
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Hello i have s7 and its great please tell what is the best board temperature for s7 long life
sr. member
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Agreed, and even the BW offering, WERE it available, is not super compelling given the likely timeframe for delivery.  The pre-order is $80k and that's a little rich when dealing with an unknown company.  I had high hopes for the SP50 when announced, but no further information to us 'home' miners.

With all due respect to those in the thread who are either still waiting on miners, or having problems, these are excellent machines, and I wish we had purchased enough to replace all units in our farms on day one instead of waiting on delayed shipments and now uncertain if more true S7's will become available for sale.

Pardon me for being abit duhhhhh ..... what is BW and what are they offering? I take it they are a hardware manufacturer?

Avalon 6 .... what is the website URL for that one too?
legendary
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Mine for a Bit

Here is an interesting Question:

What are the improvements of the new firmware for the S7?

-more controlled hash rates?
-less energy usage?
-better virus protection?

Anyone have any answers?


Alternative Question:

If I have a Batch1 do I download 600 or 575?
sr. member
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I am disappointed with the lack of respect shown to me in this case.

Really? Bitmain has generally shown a lack of respect to everyone. Why would you expect your experience to be different?
True, they even decide to ignore me now just for the heck of it: http://prntscr.com/8v70ne
Never have been ignored by a company before.
I really hope they go bankrupt eventually. A monopoly is so bad, I have always said.
legendary
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Sounds like they may be releasing it to compete with the Avalon6 that is suppose to come in at 3.5 Th and $310/Th.  Specs can be found here:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon6

3.65@1100w at the wall?

I'll take the S7's 4.86@1185w measured at my wall

If we do the math at 1100 watts divided by 3500 GH/s [It did say +/- 10%], that comes to 0.314 watts per GH/s verses the 0.25 watts per GH/s of the S7.

I plugged in the numbers at $0.1/kwh and the numbers are almost identical between Batch3 and this one (289 vs 283days to profitability), so it is a coin toss, but BMT might jump ahead in profitability with batch 4 (if it is 3.5TH, 900W and $1000 before shipping)

I personally believe more "true" S7's we become available soon.  They have no problem at all selling them.  The S7 is a prime piece of hardware!  They might also create another one with lower hash rate.  However, I believe the S7 is here to stay for a while.  It may very well go into 20 batches at a minimum.


Agreed, and even the BW offering, WERE it available, is not super compelling given the likely timeframe for delivery.  The pre-order is $80k and that's a little rich when dealing with an unknown company.  I had high hopes for the SP50 when announced, but no further information to us 'home' miners.

With all due respect to those in the thread who are either still waiting on miners, or having problems, these are excellent machines, and I wish we had purchased enough to replace all units in our farms on day one instead of waiting on delayed shipments and now uncertain if more true S7's will become available for sale.

well, apparently, we had a word from a hosting fella who just put an order for 3ph worth of competitor's machines, which is a nice chunk of change.
however, i am sure that BMT will have a nice comeback, but they WILL have to cut the premium on prices somewhat hence the 3.5Th/~$1000 prediction.
Maybe they will make MOQ of two then. It would suit me just fine.

Hmmm....at "3ph worth of competitor's machines", he must have ordered SP50s? If i understand the market correctly, I don't think anything else would be available to him.

no, see the reference at the top of your quote.
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Sounds like they may be releasing it to compete with the Avalon6 that is suppose to come in at 3.5 Th and $310/Th.  Specs can be found here:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon6

3.65@1100w at the wall?

I'll take the S7's 4.86@1185w measured at my wall

If we do the math at 1100 watts divided by 3500 GH/s [It did say +/- 10%], that comes to 0.314 watts per GH/s verses the 0.25 watts per GH/s of the S7.

I plugged in the numbers at $0.1/kwh and the numbers are almost identical between Batch3 and this one (289 vs 283days to profitability), so it is a coin toss, but BMT might jump ahead in profitability with batch 4 (if it is 3.5TH, 900W and $1000 before shipping)

I personally believe more "true" S7's we become available soon.  They have no problem at all selling them.  The S7 is a prime piece of hardware!  They might also create another one with lower hash rate.  However, I believe the S7 is here to stay for a while.  It may very well go into 20 batches at a minimum.


Agreed, and even the BW offering, WERE it available, is not super compelling given the likely timeframe for delivery.  The pre-order is $80k and that's a little rich when dealing with an unknown company.  I had high hopes for the SP50 when announced, but no further information to us 'home' miners.

With all due respect to those in the thread who are either still waiting on miners, or having problems, these are excellent machines, and I wish we had purchased enough to replace all units in our farms on day one instead of waiting on delayed shipments and now uncertain if more true S7's will become available for sale.

well, apparently, we had a word from a hosting fella who just put an order for 3ph worth of competitor's machines, which is a nice chunk of change.
however, i am sure that BMT will have a nice comeback, but they WILL have to cut the premium on prices somewhat hence the 3.5Th/~$1000 prediction.
Maybe they will make MOQ of two then. It would suit me just fine.

Hmmm....at "3ph worth of competitor's machines", he must have ordered SP50s? If i understand the market correctly, I don't think anything else would be available to him.
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It looks like the 8 batch 3's I ordered between October 1 and 10 are all well on their way according to UPS Tracking.
legendary
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Mine Mine Mine
Let's see how it goes: expecting delays .... managed to grab 1, wanted to get more but just 1 to see how it goes. it's sold out again.

BITMAIN Order Paid

Order ID: 0012015102500012
Date: 2015-10-25 10:44:32
Total: 5.817 BTC
Payment method: Bitcoin Payment
Order Details

Product Name                                 Price
ANTMINER S7 BATCH 3 × 1       1658 USD ( 5.679 BTC )
Coupon
Shipping
UPS: 0.138 BTC
Order Total: 5.817 BTC

Pay Details

Bitcoin Address   1P3.............................................
Pay   5.817 BTC
Pay Confirm   5.817 BTC
Date   2015-10-25 14:36:04


Status says : Piad/Unshipped/Expired

but i did receive an email as per above saying Bitmain Order Paid ........well like i said, expecting delays just wanna get 1 unit to have some fun
legendary
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https://bpip.org
Has anyone received any B2 yet? Oct 25 is the end of the shipping window.(today)
Another ten days and we are at November 5. Then the B2/B3 comp starts.

well, they can do it, but I would advise them not to, if possible, just for a simple reason that it would reduce trust (see ^^^^).
trust is the most important asset that any brand could have. Shipping on time or earlier was bmt feature all along.
It is worth much more than a few $$.


Yeah but it takes a while to piss that trust away and "a while" could be "forever" in crypto. Lack of competition probably outweighs any potential loss of business here. The Batch 1 delay and the subsequent joke of a compensation clearly shows that there is no motivation on Bitmain's part to appease its customers. So did they lose a few BTC because I'm not interested in buying Batch 2/3 anymore? I bet they still sold it out and will sell out many other batches at a very profitable margin.
legendary
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Has anyone received any B2 yet? Oct 25 is the end of the shipping window.(today)
Another ten days and we are at November 5. Then the B2/B3 comp starts.

well, they can do it, but I would advise them not to, if possible, just for a simple reason that it would reduce trust (see ^^^^).
trust is the most important asset that any brand could have. Shipping on time or earlier was bmt feature all along.
It is worth much more than a few $$.

I am disappointed with the lack of respect shown to me in this case.

Your mistake was thinking Bitmain gives a shit about small-time people like you and I Sad

They've gone into full-on profiteering mode, and fuck you if you're the little guy.

Nice folks over there.

I still have a bit of hope, but in any case, in 9-12 mo it is over for small-time individual, even with the new chips.
We will be relegated to hobby mining, which is fine, actually.

I have a bigger concern, though, as it seems that some pools are experiencing an abnormally bad luck (like once in 20 years bad).
There are people who are suggesting some foul play at the miner software/hardware level, although it seems ridiculous at the first glance.
we shall see.
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