AntMiner S9 rampant speculation thread, have to be quick though - page 4.

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Quote from: Biodom on May 23, 2016, 12:17:11 PM

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@chiguireitor nice analogy...well, they had a few survivors at the end and snow was going away.
Actually, if btc fails it would mean that either Satoshi's idea of decreasing reward was nuts OR that market cannot adjust rapidly enough to such conditions.
If difficulty increases 50% by halving and price stays the same, S7 will be nonviable for almost everyone, but the lowest cost people and S9 should cost close to $600-700.
I guess it means that much less people would mine.
Honestly, i think that bitcoin dev need to think about transitioning to POS.

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Quote from: AltcoinScamfinder on May 23, 2016, 02:13:14 PM

I don't get the "there has to be a coin that can be mined at home" argument. There is absolutely no part of a successful crypto that depends on some form of mining-democracy. There are tons of coins out there, but my bet is that Bitcoin is the only one with long lasting value.

Well at the end of the line, we can see only a few select locations actually mining (if they stop selling miners to people for example). thats not good for the network. decentralization is a huge part of crypto. that implies many people in many locations doing their part to secure the network and make it work (nodes too). my2cents

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I don't get the "there has to be a coin that can be mined at home" argument. There is absolutely no part of a successful crypto that depends on some form of mining-democracy. There are tons of coins out there, but my bet is that Bitcoin is the only one with long lasting value.

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Quote from: Biodom on May 23, 2016, 12:17:11 PM

Quote from: topiOleg on May 23, 2016, 12:02:18 PM

Quote from: chiguireitor on May 23, 2016, 06:13:16 AM

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

The huge spike in last 2 days shows one should be really very concerned whether you can make profit with the new S9, if really the price is going to be around $200 per every 1 th/s.

You don't have to pay a crazy price. I surely won't.

@chiguireitor nice analogy...well, they had a few survivors at the end and snow was going away.
Actually, if btc fails it would mean that either Satoshi's idea of decreasing reward was nuts OR that market cannot adjust rapidly enough to such conditions.
If difficulty increases 50% by halfing and price stays the same, S7 will be nonviable for almost everyone, but the lowest cost people and S9 should cost close to $500-600.
I guess it means that much less people would mine.
Honestly, i think that bitcoin dev need to think about transitioning to POS.

I think we need a two coin system one that is asic free and rides on btc .

The Gpu driven coin is designed to shut down if and when an asic is built for it.
The regular person anywhere in the world can run it a bit or a lot on pc's with gpus.
Quiet and low power it it is a 2 card or 1 card rig.

take the coin and keep some trade some into btc and cash some.

Leave btc to the big ass farms in china.

I have a good power deal but not a lot of it. I can run the avalon 6's till they drop and slowly add s-9's or avalon 7's to replace them. most people cannot do this.

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Quote from: topiOleg on May 23, 2016, 12:02:18 PM

Quote from: chiguireitor on May 23, 2016, 06:13:16 AM

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

The huge spike in last 2 days shows one should be really very concerned whether you can make profit with the new S9, if really the price is going to be around $200 per every 1 th/s.

You don't have to pay a crazy price. I surely won't.

@chiguireitor nice analogy...well, they had a few survivors at the end and snow was going away.
Actually, if btc fails it would mean that either Satoshi's idea of decreasing reward was nuts OR that market cannot adjust rapidly enough to such conditions.
If difficulty increases 50% by halving and price stays the same, S7 will be nonviable for almost everyone, but the lowest cost people and S9 should cost close to $600-700.
I guess it means that much less people would mine.
Honestly, i think that bitcoin dev need to think about transitioning to POS.

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Quote from: chiguireitor on May 23, 2016, 06:13:16 AM

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

The huge spike in last 2 days shows one should be really very concerned whether you can make profit with the new S9, if really the price is going to be around $200 per every 1 th/s.

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Quote from: Biodom on May 22, 2016, 01:54:23 PM

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

I predict that S9 will be released this Friday (Peking time - morning)

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Quote from: jt byte on May 22, 2016, 07:29:38 PM

Quote from: Biodom on May 22, 2016, 01:54:23 PM

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

Good to know this. That is what forum should be for. To give us some facts so to make a decision for our selves if we should buy these or not.

It's easy to calculate: Suppose BTM releases a 10th/s speed S9 for $1500-$2000 in about 4 weeks, that would give you about 20 days of 25BTC/block mining, and then it would produce the same as an S7, so you would get about $300 month 1 and the you need 10-14 months to get back whatever you spent on it... IF difficulty either doesn't skyrockets or BTC price doesn't falls.

Although i said before this is a "hype" train i would compare it better with the Snowpiercer: a Doomsday train driving us nowhere but to our extinction.

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Quote from: Biodom on May 22, 2016, 01:54:23 PM

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

Good to know this. That is what forum should be for. To give us some facts so to make a decision for our selves if we should buy these or not.

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Quote from: Biodom on May 22, 2016, 01:54:23 PM

Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

If that's the case, then that lends credence to the idea that the S9 has at least double the hash rate for the same power utilization.

The assumption I'm making is that they are replacing S7s with S9s, and that they don't have enough spare data center headroom to power up S9s separately. At least not enough to be noticeable.

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Judging by a huge burst in network speed, they are deploying S9 right now for "testing" and will announce pretty soon and release in 1-4 weeks, in my opinion.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on May 22, 2016, 03:23:41 AM

ETH is definitely number 2 for now, but I wouldn't bet on the "solid" part.

S9 gonna have to be a wonder machine - IF it shows up soon - to compete with ETH mining.

If it doesn't show up for a few months, it might have a lot less competition - despite the halfing.

Bitmain will release just for the halving (maybe somewhere june) so they can cash out most of the profit themself an let the fanboys take the loss. This is the exact reason why I've stopped buying bitmain products now.

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ETH is definitely number 2 for now, but I wouldn't bet on the "solid" part.

S9 gonna have to be a wonder machine - IF it shows up soon - to compete with ETH mining.

If it doesn't show up for a few months, it might have a lot less competition - despite the halfing.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2016, 10:40:54 AM

Eth coin is bigger then all other altcoins combined

So ETH is a solid number 2.

Surely ETH is on the wave right now, and mining ETH is more profitable than mining Bitcoins. The GPU can be resold without much loss if ETH price goes down or difficulty up too much and there is no other profitable altcoin to mine. So better deal now, but hard to say what happens in few months. BTW I remember the ETH price ten times lower not so long ago, so the ETH hype may as well end or the ride continue much longer - who knows, but as a miner I enojoy the ETH profitability now, though I dont expect it last very long...

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2016, 10:40:54 AM

Quote from: topiOleg on May 21, 2016, 10:06:49 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2016, 09:06:15 AM

I also think they are not going to sell it very soon.
So maybe a presale on June 14th with it being delivered on July 14th .
I think holding back on it will be a reaction to both the. 1/2 ing and the ETH coin surge.

Indeed, right before halving there might be much lower demand for the S9, so better wait after halving when the uncentairnity settles - at least for me to ever consider buying it.

I dont think altcoin mining has any effect at all on the S9 though, especially the ETH is just hyped in my opinion and the future price and mining profitability is very uncertain.

Eth coin is bigger then all other altcoins combined

https://coinmarketcap.com/

634 Currencies / 57 Assets / 2005 Markets

Market Cap: $8756437939 / 24h Vol: $90154394 / BTC Dominance: 78.9%

1 Bitcoin $ 6,902,431,113 $ 443.38 15,567,825 BTC $ 51,623,200 -0.11 %
2 Ethereum $ 1,073,601,720 $ 13.38 80,241,690 ETH $ 30,601,200 -3.14 %

all other coins from 3 to 643 are worth $ 780,405,106

All coins = $ 8,756,437,939
BTC = $ 6,902,431,113
ETH = $ 1,073,601,720
Rest of them = $ 780,405,106

So ETH is a solid number 2.

I can't make the mistake of thinking it will crash and burn.
I can't make the mistake of thinking it will not crash and burn.

So I am middling or straddling both at the moment.

This makes me hesitant to get an s-9 if it were available. ( I know I would get 1 right now, but no more)

Sound advice, been looking forward to next-gen tech and I find myself in the same boat. Time to diversify and finish up my GPU rig before I go buying more than 1 or 2 s9's

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Quote from: topiOleg on May 21, 2016, 10:06:49 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2016, 09:06:15 AM

I also think they are not going to sell it very soon.
So maybe a presale on June 14th with it being delivered on July 14th .
I think holding back on it will be a reaction to both the. 1/2 ing and the ETH coin surge.

Indeed, right before halving there might be much lower demand for the S9, so better wait after halving when the uncentairnity settles - at least for me to ever consider buying it.

I dont think altcoin mining has any effect at all on the S9 though, especially the ETH is just hyped in my opinion and the future price and mining profitability is very uncertain.

Eth coin is bigger then all other altcoins combined

https://coinmarketcap.com/

634 Currencies / 57 Assets / 2005 Markets

Market Cap: $8756437939 / 24h Vol: $90154394 / BTC Dominance: 78.9%

1 Bitcoin $ 6,902,431,113 $ 443.38 15,567,825 BTC $ 51,623,200 -0.11 %
2 Ethereum $ 1,073,601,720 $ 13.38 80,241,690 ETH $ 30,601,200 -3.14 %

all other coins from 3 to 643 are worth $ 780,405,106

All coins = $ 8,756,437,939
BTC = $ 6,902,431,113
ETH = $ 1,073,601,720
Rest of them = $ 780,405,106

So ETH is a solid number 2.

I can't make the mistake of thinking it will crash and burn.
I can't make the mistake of thinking it will not crash and burn.

So I am middling or straddling both at the moment.

This makes me hesitant to get an s-9 if it were available. ( I know I would get 1 right now, but no more)

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 21, 2016, 09:06:15 AM

I also think they are not going to sell it very soon.
So maybe a presale on June 14th with it being delivered on July 14th .
I think holding back on it will be a reaction to both the. 1/2 ing and the ETH coin surge.

Indeed, right before halving there might be much lower demand for the S9, so better wait after halving when the uncentairnity settles - at least for me to ever consider buying it.

I dont think altcoin mining has any effect at all on the S9 though, especially the ETH is just hyped in my opinion and the future price and mining profitability is very uncertain.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on May 21, 2016, 03:55:23 AM

For home miners the last few months, BTC has been no competition at all to ETH.

For the big farms, it's a lot more complicated - but I'd bet at least a FEW of them are doing SOME ETH mining.

The big questions still remain though. When will there be an S9, what will it cost, how much hash will it do, how efficient will it be, and will it continue to be string-design unadjustable (by practical means) efficiency or will it go user-settable efficiency / max hashspeed tradeoff?

Oh, wait, I see six sigma certainty it won't be adjustable-efficiency - so one less question to worry about!

I think the new s-7 lite is what it will be like.

So a built in psu that I do not need. two blades 90 chips.

Maybe 5-6 th. and 700 watts.

I also think they are not going to sell it very soon.
So maybe a presale on June 14th with it being delivered on July 14th .
I think holding back on it will be a reaction to both the. 1/2 ing and the ETH coin surge.

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For home miners the last few months, BTC has been no competition at all to ETH.

For the big farms, it's a lot more complicated - but I'd bet at least a FEW of them are doing SOME ETH mining.

The big questions still remain though. When will there be an S9, what will it cost, how much hash will it do, how efficient will it be, and will it continue to be string-design unadjustable (by practical means) efficiency or will it go user-settable efficiency / max hashspeed tradeoff?

Oh, wait, I see six sigma certainty it won't be adjustable-efficiency - so one less question to worry about!

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Quote from: digaran on May 20, 2016, 11:42:53 PM

hashnest recently stopped paying people, anyone know anything about that?
Since antminer is their product just wanted to see if they gone scam?

This is certainly off-topic here. Hashnest thread this way: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hashnest-discussion-and-support-thread-766448

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