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August 27, 2014, 08:55:56 AM
Nigeria closes all schools until October: "All schools in Nigeria have been ordered to remain shut until 13 October as part of measures to prevent the spread of the deadly Ebola virus."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-28950347
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August 27, 2014, 06:51:28 AM
The West Point slum, near Monrovia is still quarantined. Some 50,000 people don't have enough supplies of food and medicine.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ebola-outbreak-why-liberia-s-quarantine-in-west-point-slum-will-fail-1.2744292

No one knows how many people have got Ebola there and how many of them have died. Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, the president of Liberia seems to be extremely incompetent. First she set up an Ebola treatment center near the crowded slum (should have set it up in a sparsely inhabited area), and then she quarantined tens of thousands of people needlessly.

It does sound moronic that in this day and age we would segregate all the healthy people with the non healthy people and let the virus keep spreading in the population there.

Kind of like a mass execution in the modern age, they need more personnel that can quarantine them into areas away from each other then wait and see who shows symptoms for treatment.

When they say it is A relic of the Middle Ages, quarantines do more harm than good
They are absolutely correct.

(Unless its World War Z and a zombie outbreak is coming then use those sniffer dogs)
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August 27, 2014, 02:55:40 AM
It is interesting to observe that the German MSM Die Welt couldn't pass up even this opportunity to demonise Russia:
http://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article131459175/Russland-hat-Ebola-zur-Waffe-gemacht.html

I think we now have more of a Russophobic epidemics, than Ebola epidemics in the world, and the former might end up being more lethal if the West manages to funnel it into a WWIII.
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August 27, 2014, 02:07:08 AM
The West Point slum, near Monrovia is still quarantined. Some 50,000 people don't have enough supplies of food and medicine.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ebola-outbreak-why-liberia-s-quarantine-in-west-point-slum-will-fail-1.2744292

No one knows how many people have got Ebola there and how many of them have died. Ellen Johnson Sirleaf, the president of Liberia seems to be extremely incompetent. First she set up an Ebola treatment center near the crowded slum (should have set it up in a sparsely inhabited area), and then she quarantined tens of thousands of people needlessly.
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August 26, 2014, 06:25:34 PM
That is interesting. I wonder what is different about the outbreak this time around. Even with a 50% survival rate, it is very hard to know before hand if you are one of the lucky 50% so you still have very little to lose by taking an experimental drug.

There are at least five different species of Ebolavirus. The virus causing the current outbreak is a member of the Zaire Ebolavirus (EBOV) lineage which has normally a very high case-fatality rate but maybe it has already changed so much that it is not so lethal anymore.
This may be possible. The problem with this theory is that natural selection will generally result in the strongest of anything surviving. This means that as the strains of the virus change and mutate they will likely be immune to antibiotics. (your have sound logic, but it is just bad for society).
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August 26, 2014, 02:00:42 PM
Even before this outbreak, there was a severe shortage of qualified medical professionals in West Africa. And with the deaths and desertions which are occurring as a result of it, the healthcare sector there is close to collapsing. A large part of the doctors in Guinea, Liberia.etc are expats, mainly from countries such as India and Bangladesh. Many of the expats are moving back to their home nations, to escape from the epidemic. I feel that if these doctors were local citizens, then they might have stayed on and cared for the patients.

(Can't blame the local government though. They are putting huge amounts of money to create local doctors. But 9 out of 10 are migrating to the US or EU as soon as they get their medical degree).  Angry
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August 26, 2014, 01:43:53 PM
Russia sent a special mobile laboratory and specialists virologists to Guinea as humanitarian aid. The situation looks grim.
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August 26, 2014, 01:00:58 PM
With the long incubation time, and the higher survival rate, it is actually more virulent and more dangerous in terms of pandemic potential.
Negative tests are not 100% conclusive in early stages (before antibody development), carriers can slip through most any checkpoint.
How will you know when it is too late for social isolation?
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August 26, 2014, 08:44:33 AM
That is interesting. I wonder what is different about the outbreak this time around. Even with a 50% survival rate, it is very hard to know before hand if you are one of the lucky 50% so you still have very little to lose by taking an experimental drug.

There are at least five different species of Ebolavirus. The virus causing the current outbreak is a member of the Zaire Ebolavirus (EBOV) lineage which has normally a very high case-fatality rate but maybe it has already changed so much that it is not so lethal anymore.
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August 25, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
I don't think the survival rate is that high, I though it was almost certain to kill a victim (I may be wrong on this). You are right to say it has been tested/used on very few people, but preliminary signs are that it at least somewhat works. The side effects would likely be ignored if the death rate of people that contract ebola are as high as I believe them to be.

According WHO it is almost 50%: "47% survive in this Ebola outbreak, the survival rate has been higher than previous outbreaks. "

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/en/


That is interesting. I wonder what is different about the outbreak this time around. Even with a 50% survival rate, it is very hard to know before hand if you are one of the lucky 50% so you still have very little to lose by taking an experimental drug.
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August 25, 2014, 01:21:27 PM
Ebola has been now reported from the province of Equatoria in the Democratic Republic of Congo. So far, two cases have been confirmed and this is the 7th known outbreak of Ebola in the DRC. According to the WHO, the viral strain is quite different from that seen in West Africa and therefore both the epidemics are not linked.
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August 25, 2014, 11:37:10 AM
More ebola news, still spreading I wonder how long until the initial stages of transmission end.
Two new cases of Ebola reported in Democratic Republic of Congo
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/24/6063027/ebola-virus-found-in-the-democratic-republic-of-the-congo

The Ebola outbreak has been confined to West Africa: Sierra Leone, Liberia, Nigeria, and Guinea. Now a fifth country — the Democratic Republic of the Congo in Central Africa — appears to be battling the virus.

The DRC health minister, Dr. Felix Kabange Numbi, says two people have just died from Ebola during a deadly hemorrhagic fever outbreak in a remote, northwestern region of the country. According to reports, there were 13 deaths in total.

Numbi says the outbreak in his country has "nothing to do with the one in West Africa," according to the Associated Press. But the World Health Organization says it is waiting to confirm the DRC's findings. In its own labs, it will test to find out which of the five strains of the Ebola virus afflicted the Congolese and whether they match the strain circulating in West Africa, known as Zaire ebolavirus.



At least it still looks containable.

First case was detected yesterday in Burkina Fasso from what I heard in the radio yesterday, but not the problem I think the the issue is the incubation period that last several weeks, which render the virus visibly indetectable for a certain period of time, you can have travelers with 0 symptoms moving around freely as the main dispositive in airports is infrared cameras that detects the fever for example
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August 25, 2014, 11:21:29 AM
Unprecedented number of medical staff infected with Ebola: "To date, more than 240 health care workers have developed the disease in Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, and Sierra Leone, and more than 120 have died."

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/25-august-2014/en/

So almost 10% of detected cases are medical staff  Shocked

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August 25, 2014, 10:19:18 AM
"Clinicians working in Liberia have informed WHO that 2 doctors and 1 nurse have now received the experimental Ebola therapy, ZMapp.
The nurse and one of the doctors show a marked improvement. The condition of the second doctor is serious but has improved somewhat.
According to the manufacturer, the very limited supplies of this experimental medicine are now exhausted."


http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/21-august-2014/en/
I think the important point is the fact that the medicine/antidote works. With it working it is possible to make more of this medicine in order to treat more people who have contracted this disease. As it stands now, anyone who contracts this disease is almost certain to die from it so any medical advancement is good news.

Unfortunately nobody can yet say does it work or not (and what possible harmful side effects it has). It has now tested only with five humans. And about 50 % of patiens will survive anyway (without ZMapp).

Now one of these five ZMapp treated patients has died in Liberia: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/25/world/africa/ebola-outbreak/
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August 25, 2014, 08:51:41 AM
When i was flying to germany last week, they had a strong verification team at the airport, i saw 2 guys who were captured by that team and disappeared in an unknown direction
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August 25, 2014, 08:19:25 AM
I don't think the survival rate is that high, I though it was almost certain to kill a victim (I may be wrong on this). You are right to say it has been tested/used on very few people, but preliminary signs are that it at least somewhat works. The side effects would likely be ignored if the death rate of people that contract ebola are as high as I believe them to be.

According WHO it is almost 50%: "47% survive in this Ebola outbreak, the survival rate has been higher than previous outbreaks. "

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/en/

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August 25, 2014, 02:34:26 AM
More ebola news, still spreading I wonder how long until the initial stages of transmission end.
Two new cases of Ebola reported in Democratic Republic of Congo
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/24/6063027/ebola-virus-found-in-the-democratic-republic-of-the-congo

The Ebola outbreak has been confined to West Africa: Sierra Leone, Liberia, Nigeria, and Guinea. Now a fifth country — the Democratic Republic of the Congo in Central Africa — appears to be battling the virus.

The DRC health minister, Dr. Felix Kabange Numbi, says two people have just died from Ebola during a deadly hemorrhagic fever outbreak in a remote, northwestern region of the country. According to reports, there were 13 deaths in total.

Numbi says the outbreak in his country has "nothing to do with the one in West Africa," according to the Associated Press. But the World Health Organization says it is waiting to confirm the DRC's findings. In its own labs, it will test to find out which of the five strains of the Ebola virus afflicted the Congolese and whether they match the strain circulating in West Africa, known as Zaire ebolavirus.



At least it still looks containable.
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