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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

I think all of these are just a coincidence. The dice result is predetermined using RNG but is randomly triggered when we roll the dice so if you are playing in a reputable and licensed casino, there is no way that the game is cheating you since the game system is monitored and even produces hashes for the provably fair verification.

On the other hand, if the blackjack is machine-generated then it also follows the process of slots and dice in determining its outcome. Btw, can you share the name of the gambling platform?

Quote from: Viscore on March 24, 2023, 04:47:58 PM

Casinos have always the chance to cheat us whenever they want to but I don’t think they want to be more known on that because that will only ruin whatever sacrifices they have built from the first place. So just consider yourself unlucky that time and lose the big amount you bet. I’m sure a lot of those who lose too are also betting bigger than your money bet. Next time, never bet on an amount you can’t manage to lose and end up suspecting the site for cheating.

Indeed they have the chance but the question is, do they take that chance? The money involved or expenses they use in their operation and promotion is too huge to mess up by cheating their players. So I do not think that reputable casino cheats their player through algorithm because as far as I know they can be verified by professional gambling inspectors.

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Casinos have always the chance to cheat us whenever they want to but I don’t think they want to be more known on that because that will only ruin whatever sacrifices they have built from the first place. So just consider yourself unlucky that time and lose the big amount you bet. I’m sure a lot of those who lose too are also betting bigger than your money bet. Next time, never bet on an amount you can’t manage to lose and end up suspecting the site for cheating.

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Quote from: Distinctin on March 24, 2023, 04:34:31 PM

Quote from: mindrust on March 22, 2023, 11:04:18 PM

Could be. However I don’t think any reputable casino needs these kinds of tricks to win our money. I think you were just unlucky. I know it because these big casinos are almost always use the same provable fair betting system where you can verify your seed/roll. If they were scamming us someone would have noticed it long time ago. The situation might be different on the newly established smaller online casinos though. Who knows what filth is hidden in their code…

Well, cheating could add more profits to the casino but I guess, they won’t do it because they have to protect their good reputation that they have built years from now.

There are casinos that actually cheat and still manage to maintain a very good reputation, there kind of cheating doesn't have to noticeable by gamblers but its there, their style of cheating could be through tweaking some of their games in such a way that the gambler hardly wins his or her bet, and in the end, the gambler and onlookers may attribute the constant loss to ill-luck.

This is why if i play a certain for some time and don't win, if its a game I like so much, then I will try it on another casino to really be sure its luck that's keeping me from winning.

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

I would like to call you are the luckiest as well as unlucky person cause when you bet small you keep winning when do it with big amount you are losing, so let's find out by keep playing with small amounts all the time you have more wins all the times? If that happens still you can become a millionaire in a week even if you start with $10 or $100.

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Quote from: mindrust on March 22, 2023, 11:04:18 PM

Could be. However I don’t think any reputable casino needs these kinds of tricks to win our money. I think you were just unlucky. I know it because these big casinos are almost always use the same provable fair betting system where you can verify your seed/roll. If they were scamming us someone would have noticed it long time ago. The situation might be different on the newly established smaller online casinos though. Who knows what filth is hidden in their code…

Well, cheating could add more profits to the casino but I guess, they won’t do it because they have to protect their good reputation that they have built years from now. So just accept the reality that you are not always lucky when gambling, and you have gone out of luck when you start gambling big amount. If that’s what you have seen in gambling, then most likely settle for small bets as that what makes you more profitable than risking a big amount and lose them at the end.

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OP it's as simple as A-Z just stick with the amount of bet that's favourable to you. From the account you have given it clearly shows that smaller amount of bet pays you than when you use bigger amount whereas there are some persons that don't even get to win with either big or small amount, so I wonder what their own case would be referred to if yours is said to be a cheating one.

In gambling its necessary we understand the kind of games abd bets that we make successes from and stick to those instead of burden yourself with those that don't work out for you, stay where your luck shines.

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Quote from: uneng on March 24, 2023, 03:58:12 PM

Quote from: Vaculin on March 24, 2023, 03:43:43 PM

It could be, who knows. They will eventually cheat if there are opportunities to cheat. However, with reputable casinos, I don’t think cheating is more possible since they have this provably fair system so that there will be more transparency in each game. And if there are cases of cheating, players are always free to voice them out. But with illegal operating casinos like those in gray areas, cheating will always be possible and is even hard to stop it.

We need to know what casino OP is talking about, so we can have some idea about the legitimacy and reputation of the casino and also compare it to the experiences of another gamblers who have played there. Consequently, we could reach a conclusion if what he is saying makes sense from a practical point of view, or if it's just coincidence and superstition.

Personally, I think it's likely to be coincidence, because casinos don't need to cheat on gamblers in order to make profit, since they are already assured to profit on long term due to the house edge.

If we do speak about some long time running sites or platforms then it is really just that unrealistic or not really that believable on committing some cheating considering that they are indeed making huge money or income
in longer runs without needing to cheat up.This is why it is really good that we do have this forum on which we could really be able to see on whose really just simply trolling or just telling up some lies or simply
making simple issues to make it big and accusing up a company without having that solid evidence or simply with those common issues which could be that easily resolved by the team.
There are really just that people who are really that impatient when it comes to things.

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Quote from: Vaculin on March 24, 2023, 03:43:43 PM

It could be, who knows. They will eventually cheat if there are opportunities to cheat. However, with reputable casinos, I don’t think cheating is more possible since they have this provably fair system so that there will be more transparency in each game. And if there are cases of cheating, players are always free to voice them out. But with illegal operating casinos like those in gray areas, cheating will always be possible and is even hard to stop it.

We need to know what casino OP is talking about, so we can have some idea about the legitimacy and reputation of the casino and also compare it to the experiences of another gamblers who have played there. Consequently, we could reach a conclusion if what he is saying makes sense from a practical point of view, or if it's just coincidence and superstition.

Personally, I think it's likely to be coincidence, because casinos don't need to cheat on gamblers in order to make profit, since they are already assured to profit on long term due to the house edge.

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It could be, who knows. They will eventually cheat if there are opportunities to cheat. However, with reputable casinos, I don’t think cheating is more possible since they have this provably fair system so that there will be more transparency in each game. And if there are cases of cheating, players are always free to voice them out. But with illegal operating casinos like those in gray areas, cheating will always be possible and is even hard to stop it.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 24, 2023, 07:59:58 AM

Quote from: Maus0728 on March 23, 2023, 12:10:27 AM

Perhaps it has something to do with past results, especially if during the game, your previous bets resulted in consistent small wins which influenced your confidence to bet big without realizing that the house is primarily designed against you. Essentially, you are being blinded by small consecutive wins.

At the end of the day, it is still a game of chance and luck, and the only way to go is proper "risk management."

Exactly, this is where you can say the phrase "the more you win the more you lose" because it aims the players to be greedy at winning more with giving them the high chance of probability when betting low amount of money. That's why consistency is the key to gain more profit in gambling by slowly leaving with a profit. But you can still beat that system is to always have a self control. And I agree that it still depends on your luck if you're gonna quit with a win or lose situation.

If you don't win, you will lose, that's something we definitely feel when playing casinos. They will say that the casino is cheating if they feel they are losing, and when they win big they will just keep quiet, which is something I have encountered so far. Grin

I agree with what you say, that it is also a part of playing with our emotions, yes, when we bet small and keep winning, our emotions will definitely encourage us to bet a larger amount, and that's actually a mistake to avoid. . Don't think when our bet is small and we win it will be the same when we increase the bet amount. As much as possible we must hold ourselves so that we do not get carried away by emotions.

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It may be just you having a bad luck day, but if the casino has some way to be proven as provably fair, I believe you should try to certify next time you feel like rolling dices or playing blackjack. If you do not how to do so, there are some tutorials on internet.

https://stake.com/blog/how-does-the-provably-fair-system-work

That is one of the reasons I would personally not encourage anyone to gamble in small and relatively unknown casinos, if they do not have a way to check the fairness, then I would consider it to be some sort of a red-flag.

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Quote from: OgNasty on March 24, 2023, 12:47:39 PM

I think the answer to this concern is to bet on things like sporting events where the only way they can really cheat you is on the odds. Some casinos provide proof of fairness, but 99% of the people who use the casinos have no idea how to verify it anyway. If you’re concerned about being cheated, just bet on public events that you’re happy with the odds and you should be fine.

They can also make some background checking, it is easy to find some casinos here in the forum he can also try to check reddit as well. Many casinos has their thread in this forum so that they can also get feedback and recommendations. We as gamblers, we are responsible for our own doing and being cheated should not be allowed but we need to be sure if we are right and also if that casino has really a good reputation in the very first.

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Quote from: KiaKia on March 24, 2023, 08:05:16 AM

It is sure that the experience you get from one online casino will differ from that you will get from another online casino. If you are not satisfied with the results you are getting, do know that there are many online casinos you can try, and I am sure that you will get a different result from one online casino to another.

The problem that the OP is facing is not the casino, in principle the casino is the same because we will play with the system, so it's not a casino problem and more precisely because luck is not with him. Besides, OP mentioned that he always wins when placing small bets, that means it's not the Casino that's in trouble, but he's unlucky on big bets in the dice game.

From what I understand of the case that happened to the OP, it's not about being scammed for not being paid by the Casino, but he always fails to win big bets and I don't think he's had any luck at the dice game or he could just be having a bad day.

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I think the answer to this concern is to bet on things like sporting events where the only way they can really cheat you is on the odds. Some casinos provide proof of fairness, but 99% of the people who use the casinos have no idea how to verify it anyway. If you’re concerned about being cheated, just bet on public events that you’re happy with the odds and you should be fine.

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Quote from: KiaKia on March 24, 2023, 08:05:16 AM

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Use reputable online casinos and be opened to try out new games and strategies, some online casinos do like to cheat that's why I would recommend a well-rated casino that has a good reputation, most smaller or new online casinos likes to cheat or refuse to pay, not all of them are worth the risk.

Cheating is sometimes an ambiguous word issued by gamblers. When someone loses with a huge loss for gambling ini any gambling, it will generally be judged that he has been deceived by a fraudulent system. However, on the other hand, on the same website ^(example), a user stated that he often gets big wins from this provider. So, it's not about the recommended provider or not, but whether the gambler's assessment is fair or not. If every time he loses he always says cheating, it means he is betting wrong, because gambling is actually luck or play with probability, not a guarantee that he always wins. Many lose thousands of dollars every day, but he understands that is the risk of gambling, so that person will not think that it is cheating. Maybe, not recommending site/provider it could cheat their system, but i have a questions, doesn't every system have a similar system? lose more than win? lets say when we are playing an online poker, when we getting bad card more then 20 rounds, do you think they are cheating or you are on a bad day?

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It is sure that the experience you get from one online casino will differ from that you will get from another online casino. If you are not satisfied with the results you are getting, do know that there are many online casinos you can try, and I am sure that you will get a different result from one online casino to another.

Use reputable online casinos and be opened to try out new games and strategies, some online casinos do like to cheat that's why I would recommend a well-rated casino that has a good reputation, most smaller or new online casinos likes to cheat or refuse to pay, not all of them are worth the risk.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 23, 2023, 12:10:27 AM

Perhaps it has something to do with past results, especially if during the game, your previous bets resulted in consistent small wins which influenced your confidence to bet big without realizing that the house is primarily designed against you. Essentially, you are being blinded by small consecutive wins.

At the end of the day, it is still a game of chance and luck, and the only way to go is proper "risk management."

Exactly, this is where you can say the phrase "the more you win the more you lose" because it aims the players to be greedy at winning more with giving them the high chance of probability when betting low amount of money. That's why consistency is the key to gain more profit in gambling by slowly leaving with a profit. But you can still beat that system is to always have a self control. And I agree that it still depends on your luck if you're gonna quit with a win or lose situation.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on March 24, 2023, 05:04:09 AM

That is part of "the house will always win". A higher percentage of chance will always be leaning on them that the player. Try betting on the same amount for 10-100 rounds and do the math on how much percentage are your wins.
I did it before for 1000 rounds. All I can say is, players are always on the losing side. If there are gamblers who had stories that they won more, either that's a lie or they got lucky with 1 big bet and then stayed away from that game for a long time.
If you are having trouble trusting their system, then you can always choose another game. Try Poker. Try Sports gambling. I assure you, it will be more fun if you are doing it with your own effort to win.

The odds, they got us players pinned down, no lie. But think about it, gambling's all about that thrill, going out on a limb. If you want a surefire win, this ain't your jam! Still, knowing which games put the odds in your favor helps. Take Blackjack – it's got some of the sweetest odds around. Stick to the basics, and you can slice that house edge under 1%!

But let's not kid ourselves, gambling ain't just about the Benjamins. It's the buzz of the game, the ride of your life. Me, I like switching it up – trying different games, betting strategies, keeping it fresh and wild! Who knows, maybe you'll hit that jackpot, walk away with mad stacks! So, take a leap, try something new. You never know what thrills and spills you'll find!

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There are some casinos are cheating and some of them are not but the problem is we do not know if they are cheating or not because all Casino sites are not open source everything in Casino can be modify privately without telling us that they change some codes/script.
That is why live casinos are better that playing in any casino which is created only by software.
No one could reveal their own program script related to casino and there is someone before selling ready made casino script where you can able to change luck inside the script pannel. I'm not saying all Casino have this option I just remember someone selling a ready made casino with that option which I think the script just made for scamming.

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Quote from: leonair on March 24, 2023, 06:12:44 AM

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

If you have it since evening that they are cheating with you. Then you can play live casino from stake.com where your favorite Blackjack is also available. There you will see the dealer live and several other gamblers like you will be playing together at the same table as you. So in this case you don't have to play against any system. In this case it is unlikely that you will have any doubts that they are cheating with you. Yes but there is no way to avoid that when you play against a system that casino site can cheat you through their complex algorithm or some secret coding.

I was new to stake.com so I didn't realize it had live blackjack then. If I had known this I would have played live games where the system has nothing to do with a completely human game. And I was content to lose my money there. Whereas losing with the system makes me feel like it's cheating Angry

It's your fault that you don't know a site well enough to deposit $1000 there and lose it. I think you've repeatedly won by betting smaller amounts out of greed, then panicked betting with higher amounts and gambled excitedly, so you lost. I don't think the stake site cheated you because it has been in the gambling market for a long time and has done billions of bets so no one can raise such a case against them till now. If stake were cheating like that they would not be considered a reputable casino site despite the competition of thousands of gambling sites on the casino market

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