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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

Which casinos do you think are cheating you? It's better to record you gaming sessions and open a thread in Scam Accusation section or in gambling forums and explain the shady behavior. It will affect their image, in turn may give you money and it will benefit the community, overall.
By the way, if you are so lucky with low bets on that particular casino, just don't bet more and you'll always end up winning Cheesy

To be honest, casinos don't need to fake results because every game has house edge, starting from 1% and going higher, that means' long-term they are guaranteed to profit, so I don't get the point of faking results but maybe some of them want quick and more money, idk. Better to open scam accusation threads with evidences here and there about casinos which you think lie to warn more people.

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Quote from: leonair on March 24, 2023, 06:12:44 AM

I was new to stake.com so I didn't realize it had live blackjack then. If I had known this I would have played live games where the system has nothing to do with a completely human game. And I was content to lose my money there. Whereas losing with the system makes me feel like it's cheating Angry

If you are not confident about the result on system generated result games then maybe this is not really for you because you cannot enjoy the game by having worries if you are been cheated or not. Better play only on where you are convince that the platform is safe since this could make you feel better and you could enjoy the game even if you lose. Stake is good casino so in my opinion you are in good platform and I guess you cannot get cheating issues there.

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Quote from: BobK71 on March 23, 2023, 01:49:44 AM

In this regard you missed an opportunity though. Since you say that you win by betting with small amounts. I think you should have played with smaller amounts. However, no such complaint was found on any reputable site. When you bet more, your luck doesn't favor you. Or it could be that the site is cheating you. But for this you must collect proper evidence. Otherwise you cannot take any action against them. If your doubt is strong and you can't gather any evidence, you may be better off choosing another good site.

Yes I was playing with small amount but when I used big amount I lost so I kept playing with big amount to recover loss then I noticed that as long as I was using small amount the system was giving me chance to win again and again but Using large amount keeps losing me and my balance goes to 0 in one session. This could also happen because of my panic so I didn't create a Scam Accusations for it.

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

If you have it since evening that they are cheating with you. Then you can play live casino from stake.com where your favorite Blackjack is also available. There you will see the dealer live and several other gamblers like you will be playing together at the same table as you. So in this case you don't have to play against any system. In this case it is unlikely that you will have any doubts that they are cheating with you. Yes but there is no way to avoid that when you play against a system that casino site can cheat you through their complex algorithm or some secret coding.

I was new to stake.com so I didn't realize it had live blackjack then. If I had known this I would have played live games where the system has nothing to do with a completely human game. And I was content to lose my money there. Whereas losing with the system makes me feel like it's cheating Angry

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That is part of "the house will always win". A higher percentage of chance will always be leaning on them that the player. Try betting on the same amount for 10-100 rounds and do the math on how much percentage are your wins.
I did it before for 1000 rounds. All I can say is, players are always on the losing side. If there are gamblers who had stories that they won more, either that's a lie or they got lucky with 1 big bet and then stayed away from that game for a long time.
If you are having trouble trusting their system, then you can always choose another game. Try Poker. Try Sports gambling. I assure you, it will be more fun if you are doing it with your own effort to win.

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If you are lucky you win and if you bet a large amount on your lucky day, you win big. If casino programs their system to make gamblers win only when they stake small then it's fraudulent. Which means they are deceiving their customer. People will such casinos because of this fraudulent system. Customers can also sue this casino because this practice is against the rules of gambling.

There are some casinos that may want to manipulate, but people will know, this is the kind of casinos that gamblers can use small amount of money to win, but if using high amount of money they will lose. A kind of game of 50 to 50 percent chance using a faulty means in a way gamblers will lose. But which trustworthy gambling site wants to damage their reputation, those gambling sites that have good reputation avoid cheating in order to have more customers.

No trusted casino site wants to tarnish its own reputation. That means the casino will lose the trust of all its customers and the casino will also lose the potential profits that they have been getting. We will never know which casino has manipulated people with its system. Even if a trusted casino did it, we wouldn't even know.

But if we don't decide to play gambling on suspicious casino sites, I don't think we will experience problems of fraud, manipulation or whatever. Casinos will always pay attention to us and will provide attractive offers.

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Quote from: Fiatless on March 24, 2023, 03:43:02 AM

If you are lucky you win and if you bet a large amount on your lucky day, you win big. If casino programs their system to make gamblers win only when they stake small then it's fraudulent. Which means they are deceiving their customer. People will such casinos because of this fraudulent system. Customers can also sue this casino because this practice is against the rules of gambling.

There are some casinos that may want to manipulate, but people will know, this is the kind of casinos that gamblers can use small amount of money to win, but if using high amount of money they will lose. A kind of game of 50 to 50 percent chance using a faulty means in a way gamblers will lose. But which trustworthy gambling site wants to damage their reputation, those gambling sites that have good reputation avoid cheating in order to have more customers.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 22, 2023, 11:16:17 PM

I don't think that is called cheating. That is called probability! The house knows that you will start with small bets and gradually move into big amount. When you place a big bet after winning small bets they would make you lose. This why you always need to be inconsistent while placing bets. Sometimes it works and most of the time it won't. Always remember in the end the casino will always win.

I am not sure that the house knows when you place a big bet and they make you lose. If this is true gamblers will not be winning big. We have seen people place bets which turn out to become big wins. Gambling is a combination of luck and skills. If you are lucky you win and if you bet a large amount on your lucky day, you win big. If casino programs their system to make gamblers win only when they stake small then it's fraudulent. Which means they are deceiving their customer. People will such casinos because of this fraudulent system. Customers can also sue this casino because this practice is against the rules of gambling.

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

What do you mean by deceiving? what the casino platform is doing is not deceiving its users at all, they are just adjusting the probability level of their games to be able to make their ecosystem healthier. Just imagine if there were more winning players in a casino than losers, that would certainly bankrupt the casino platform in a short time. There are many things that are considered by casino platforms to maintain their business and if we look at it from a business perspective there is nothing wrong with that.

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Quote from: Volgastallion on March 23, 2023, 08:03:20 PM

I think everyone who bet always had that feeling in his mind, for that a lot of players always play big, i know you have to have the money to do so but with this thinking also comes another.

Imagine you make a bet in crash and that bet reach x5000 if you put only 10c always in your head you are gonna think, "imagine/look if i was put 10 dollars".

But yes i also think in someway if its a trash/shady casino maybe they can know how much you bet and make some strange movements.

In fact we also have to think the other way, are you gonna still paying in a casino who always make you lose big? I dont think so, so its not so easy.

As long as the casino is reputable, we don't have to worry if the casino wants to cheat its members.
The casino will always maintain its reputation and try to be transparent with everything not to arouse suspicion in its members.
We have no proof of this and it's difficult to prove so we can only accept it.
And if we want to try a new casino, we should be very careful because we don't know what the casino will become.
But I think it's true that some casinos intend to cheat their members and hopefully we will never experience that.

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

I think you're just unlucky.
I don't know which casinos you're playing at, because you didn't mention it, but if you're going to play at respected casinos with a good reputation, I think it's sooo hard for them to rob you because they run the risk of having their reputation tarnished and losing much more money than if they were going to play legally without robbing players.
Cassionos are highly profitable for website owners, I see no reason for them to rip you off.

Take a test, always betting similar amounts and write down your bets, gains and losses. Gradually increase this value and see if the gain pattern holds.

Important! you need to take a long sampling period as short bets can be very volatile.

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I think everyone who bet always had that feeling in his mind, for that a lot of players always play big, i know you have to have the money to do so but with this thinking also comes another.

Imagine you make a bet in crash and that bet reach x5000 if you put only 10c always in your head you are gonna think, "imagine/look if i was put 10 dollars".

But yes i also think in someway if its a trash/shady casino maybe they can know how much you bet and make some strange movements.

In fact we also have to think the other way, are you gonna still paying in a casino who always make you lose big? I dont think so, so its not so easy.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on March 23, 2023, 04:28:47 PM

The truth is none of us really know. I know there are some sites/games that they say are provably fair, but I'm still not so sure that is the case. It's the same thing when you go to visit casinos in person whether that's at some place like Las Vegas or Lake Tahoe. I just don't think there's truly any way for us to know if the games we're playing are actually not cheating us. I would lean toward the latter, that they are..but I of course have no proof of this.

And since no way to really knows the truth about being fair, what we need to rely on is the site's reputation.

Not saying these reputable sites won't cheat but at least these big sites really care for their business not to be ruined by some cheating issues.

The reason why I never consider playing on a new site until such time that they are able to establish some good reviews.

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

I know the feeling mate, when we lost big we always think that we are getting cheated or we just made a bad decision that why we lost our money. Not sure though, it is live betting with a dealer in BlackJack? Not blaming you or something, because I also fall for this, like betting small and then have a good win, but increasing my bet? bad decision. So most of the time specially if my bankroll is getting smaller, I will go back to that small bets again and hope that my luck will return and at least get my capital back + some winnings. That has been my strategy though in the last couple of days, but it is a slot machine games. Same experience, small bets = good win, bigger bets = bad run. So what do I do?, go back to betting small.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on March 23, 2023, 04:28:47 PM

The truth is none of us really know. I know there are some sites/games that they say are provably fair, but I'm still not so sure that is the case. It's the same thing when you go to visit casinos in person whether that's at some place like Las Vegas or Lake Tahoe. I just don't think there's truly any way for us to know if the games we're playing are actually not cheating us. I would lean toward the latter, that they are..but I of course have no proof of this.

Well the good trusted gambling sites will always give you proof that the games are provably fair and you can check them at their sites. We should only play at sites where we are sure the games are provably fair. In case you play at a casino where you have doubt of provably fair games, you are likely to lose all your money.

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Quote from: crzy on March 23, 2023, 05:33:38 PM

Losing doesn't mean the site is cheating, this is how gambling works and probably you made a mistake with your bet or its really a bad day for you. This is gambling, losing are more possible than winning and this is not cheating, gambling is a business so expect that you will not always win. If you are using the best site, you can have a peace of mind about its fairness since it is already a proven site, what you can do is try to know if the site is being fair or have any issues, if you find any better to leave that site and look for a good one.

We can't tell what exactly is happening and what sites or platform the OP been using but it all depends on what algorithm or codes that casino have been using. So what if they actually do add some stuff on the codes everytime you bet large amount the higher the chances their platform will win? Ever think about that before?

If it's a legit or reputable casino perhaps this won't be a problem to OP but who knows? Casinos/gambling is designed to actually make the owner win most of the time and not the other way around.

The very reason why it is always advisable to play on a reputable casino.
Because if they are known to be one, they won't make a mistake of cheating their players.
As they will be discovered by any of their players. And if it is out in the community, their business is screwed.
There are some silent users who will do the work of investigating the casino, and they will only disclose it once they found the loophole inside.

Why people cant just stick out on reputable casinos rather than on sticking into those new ones or not so popular? People do end up on being scammed or really make unfair losses due into those
curiosity on testing out those sites.They arent automatically considered to be shady but it would be always advisable that you should really be that sticking into known ones.
We cant really make out conclusions if casinos are cheating on us or really that totally fair but you would really be not minding on things if you do just just simply stick
out on what are those current popular places.

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It's not anything too different from the normal happenings..
I seemed to have observed that too, along time ago...when gamblers will plece a stake with say - 10k and the outcome might be 4700 - even though the game was a win....That's usually as a result of the combos, then it's also the time for the casinos to make alot of profits even when you keep winning.
On the other hand, I think it's manually controlled atimes (or atleast it's programmed not to work too much in favor of the bettors, that's a STOPLOSS function) to avoid too much loss; we all know that in any business, if you have 'em losses More, then you're actually losing woefully.

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

Most of the time I play Blackjack & Dice. I have always noticed that when I bet a large amount I am a loser when it comes to Dice. Also in case of Blackjack when I bet big amount I get wrong card due to which I lose the bet. On the other hand when I bet small amount I win in case of Dice and if I bet small amount multiple times I win multiple times. In Blackjack, when I bet small amounts, I am always get good cards and win the bets. Thus the cycle continues. I have noticed that it is not an easy thing to withdraw from having achieved something great. I always gamble for fun with small amounts and lose them but I don't care. But I started playing blackjack yesterday with $1k and noticed that the casino sites are somehow cheating us. I lost my $1k yesterday. through Blackjack. What do you think about casino site algorithms? Are they cheating with us?

If you have it since evening that they are cheating with you. Then you can play live casino from stake.com where your favorite Blackjack is also available. There you will see the dealer live and several other gamblers like you will be playing together at the same table as you. So in this case you don't have to play against any system. In this case it is unlikely that you will have any doubts that they are cheating with you. Yes but there is no way to avoid that when you play against a system that casino site can cheat you through their complex algorithm or some secret coding.

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Quote from: Oceat on March 23, 2023, 05:53:39 PM

Quote from: crzy on March 23, 2023, 05:33:38 PM

Losing doesn't mean the site is cheating, this is how gambling works and probably you made a mistake with your bet or its really a bad day for you. This is gambling, losing are more possible than winning and this is not cheating, gambling is a business so expect that you will not always win. If you are using the best site, you can have a peace of mind about its fairness since it is already a proven site, what you can do is try to know if the site is being fair or have any issues, if you find any better to leave that site and look for a good one.

We can't tell what exactly is happening and what sites or platform the OP been using but it all depends on what algorithm or codes that casino have been using. So what if they actually do add some stuff on the codes everytime you bet large amount the higher the chances their platform will win? Ever think about that before?

If it's a legit or reputable casino perhaps this won't be a problem to OP but who knows? Casinos/gambling is designed to actually make the owner win most of the time and not the other way around.

The very reason why it is always advisable to play on a reputable casino.
Because if they are known to be one, they won't make a mistake of cheating their players.
As they will be discovered by any of their players. And if it is out in the community, their business is screwed.
There are some silent users who will do the work of investigating the casino, and they will only disclose it once they found the loophole inside.

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Quote from: crzy on March 23, 2023, 05:33:38 PM

Losing doesn't mean the site is cheating, this is how gambling works and probably you made a mistake with your bet or its really a bad day for you. This is gambling, losing are more possible than winning and this is not cheating, gambling is a business so expect that you will not always win. If you are using the best site, you can have a peace of mind about its fairness since it is already a proven site, what you can do is try to know if the site is being fair or have any issues, if you find any better to leave that site and look for a good one.

We can't tell what exactly is happening and what sites or platform the OP been using but it all depends on what algorithm or codes that casino have been using. So what if they actually do add some stuff on the codes everytime you bet large amount the higher the chances their platform will win? Ever think about that before?

If it's a legit or reputable casino perhaps this won't be a problem to OP but who knows? Casinos/gambling is designed to actually make the owner win most of the time and not the other way around.

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Quote from: leonair on March 22, 2023, 10:39:46 PM

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Casino gambling algorithms are set up so that the casino will always have an advantage over the players, so the casino owners do not even need to cheat to make money. Gamblers are well aware of this but still gamble. Also, the algorithm has an incentive task - a large but fairly rare winnings, which entice us to play again and again.

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