Are free games in online slot games designed to really suck? - page 16.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

I don't understand about RNG, but I think it will be the same between free spin and normal spin, because if you feel like you get more wins from normal spin then I feel the opposite, if in 100 normal spins it doesn't produce free spin then I can be sure that in the next spins I will only get a multiplier to increase the balance by a few percent before it will be completely drained, and also if I have generated enough profit from free spin it would be better to stop because often the next free spin is just a dead spin.
If many gamblers say that slots are just games that drain money I agree unless you are really lucky because I have also made quite a lot from slots, but lately it's just been a loss, but maybe because I played with a small capital, before I got the high multiplier, my balance had already run out.

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Quote from: Oasisman on September 29, 2024, 01:59:26 AM

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it.

Nice way to put it. The word "free" or the notion of getting something for free, without doing anything in return makes it all the more tempting to try out - got nothing to lose - right? Wrong, because you can start losing yourself to the gambling greed.

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The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.

Well if they were cunning they would cash that out and not come back. But I guess there are limitations of withdraws from free spins? In either case people go there to make money and they would have an appetite much bigger than $20-40 so they would keep playing.

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I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

Slots randomly pull the reels into landing into something, therefore each reel result is random and previous reels do not influence the next one. So yeah its luck not the way you described it.

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A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

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Quote from: ralle14 on September 28, 2024, 09:55:16 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

It's hard to tell if there's a difference because they usually suck similar to how you'll slowly get dried with the regular spins. Even though they suck, my experience is completely the opposite, I mostly recall most of my good wins coming through these free spins so even if they're designed that way it's still a feature that i'd rather have compared to the traditional slot.

That's my experience too but maybe that feeling is because the prizes you get in free spins are bigger than when you play regular spins, so what we remember are big prizes but because free spins are given to us infrequently, they are like an accumulated jackpot.

On the other hand, maybe if you pay for them like the OP and compare what you win vs what you're paying you'll see that it doesn't pay off.

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Quote from: Hatchy on September 29, 2024, 01:23:19 AM

Quote from: uneng on September 28, 2024, 02:54:27 PM

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...

You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

For those who have enough money to satisfy their playing style, free spins are not in their view, they prefer to play games that offer higher value but obviously, their return rate does not meet their expectations while from a perspective of someone who wants to start from nothing, they prefer free games, where they don't need to have an initial amount of money to be able to earn money, they just need to work hard plus a little luck to get a small pocket money. And as you say, free games will be a way to encourage more exposure, just enough greed, a player can go from free spins to a more expensive spin

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Quote from: Oasisman on September 29, 2024, 01:59:26 AM

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

I've won using free spins before but I still won't encourage anyone to depend on bonuses from casinos because most of the time the opposite happens, it is free bonuses, something you don't pay for, lower your expectations.

Free bonuses are a good way to bring in new people, to atleast have some experience about how the games feel like, they are not giving up free bonuses to make people win free money, this is similar to using demo account on a trading platform, it is all about the feel and the experience.

The less expectations from bonuses the better, the last time I won using bonus spins from slots was not expected, it just happened, although I have to meet up with the casino criteria to withdraw but that's it.

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Quote from: Hatchy on September 29, 2024, 01:23:19 AM

Quote from: uneng on September 28, 2024, 02:54:27 PM

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...

You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

Winning from free spins is difficult so we don't have high expectation to win. Those who saying they still prefer the free spins is because they have a good experience when using that and they can win some money. As we know that Pragmatic will not gives free spins too often and only for some people who can get it but not many people can hit a big multiplier while other people only hit a small multiplier. If they don't think about the outcome from free spins, that will be good so they don't have to keep playing slot to expect the next free spins because that will not always happen. But we should remember that slot game will depends on our luck so if we don't have luck, we will not win.

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I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

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Quote from: AliMan on September 25, 2024, 09:34:52 AM

Not that much, we can't feel online slot games sucking us badly while we're new register to the game. When you're playing it harder for longer terms, that's the time you'll feel so bad and think you've been tricked by their promotions and other ads online popping up.
That's not bad at all, we just need to take it for fun and not so serious to avoid frustrations because emotions was too hard to battle.

And also depending on plays it, slot games are indeed designed like that, many people experience losses due to playing slots for too long and hoping that each spin will give them an advantage, free games also do not always provide advantages, sometimes the results are also uncertain, so in my opinion, whether every free spin or normal spin, I think it is equally profitable for bookies, it's just that free spins are more interesting, even though in my opinion it's the same as playing it normally. That is why slot games are considered games of chance. If we expect too much luck, slots will be considered an annoying game.

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Quote from: uneng on September 28, 2024, 02:54:27 PM

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...

You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

It's hard to tell if there's a difference because they usually suck similar to how you'll slowly get dried with the regular spins. Even though they suck, my experience is completely the opposite, I mostly recall most of my good wins coming through these free spins so even if they're designed that way it's still a feature that i'd rather have compared to the traditional slot.

Also, there are slots with tougher conditions in triggering the free spins so the game mechanics could be a bigger factor in why it felt easier to win through the base game.

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Quote from: uneng on September 28, 2024, 02:54:27 PM

From what I have already observed regards free spins, it really seems they have inferior winning chances when compared to regular spins. I watched a youtuber who progressed through the VIP program of a casino, so he received free spins on slots every day. However, the spins he received for "free" never rewarded him any considerable amounts of money. It was always nothing or few cents. Technically, he was totally unlucky, or the those spins were really configured to reward cheap prizes.

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...

We dont know if those things been adjusted or not but there's no way that we could really be able prove it out that it is really that being adjusted but it would really be that understandable that bonuses or free spins will really be having that lesser chance on hitting some good wins. This is why it would really be better that you shouldnt really be expecting too much or having that optimism that you could get something from it. Even into those regular spins on which you can really be able to make up some wins and this is something that you should really be that realizing into. The key on here is that you should really be that
enjoying the game rather than on minding too much about on how to win, because this one will really be causing up that much desperation.

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From what I have already observed regards free spins, it really seems they have inferior winning chances when compared to regular spins. I watched a youtuber who progressed through the VIP program of a casino, so he received free spins on slots every day. However, the spins he received for "free" never rewarded him any considerable amounts of money. It was always nothing or few cents. Technically, he was totally unlucky, or the those spins were really configured to reward cheap prizes.

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...

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The thing about slot games is you need to understand how they work, how RTP comes in play to win handsomely, and which games are generous in rewarding players..it's not really a pragmatic gaming thing, all game providers have the same game algorithm at play and can't call out one company only because you won't win big in the first few spins you play .

Quote from: vs2014 on September 28, 2024, 01:35:00 PM

This can make a big difference because anyone who gambles and understands gambling knows that free spins in online casinos are designed to entice gamblers to play the real game.

Oh yeah then there is this , you win using demo funds and when you try with real funds the game changes altogether and you can't explain what has changed as you run out of luck and lose.

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This can make a big difference because anyone who gambles and understands gambling knows that free spins in online casinos are designed to entice gamblers to play the real game. Whether you win or lose, the odds are minimal. This will only happen once and you can only buy the bonus once. In my opinion no casino designs games for big wins. But in that case I don't use them instead I fund and play my normal game. On the other hand, even if you lose all your money playing the games, you can use your savings later and you are sure that you have the funds.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on September 27, 2024, 04:41:34 PM

Quote from: bangjoe on September 27, 2024, 03:51:25 PM

This is indeed quite confusing and doubtful, especially when talking about RTP which even has 99% and I made purchases several times also getting free spins did not give a win, and the reason that can be accepted is probably because I am unlucky, and always so.

I don't know how it works, but also in other cases without me paying attention to the RTP but getting a much bigger win, and yes I ended up not being affected anymore about the RTP even below 50%. lol

But there are really indeed moments on which we do really be able to make ourselves that thinking on what the heck with that winning chance or odds? specially into the time that you've noticed it out
that the winnings arent that happening despite of having on many rolls? Yes, its understandable that they are really that on advantage on which this is something usual or common but it do really sucks
and give out that bad feeling whenever you've seen yourself having that hard time on even getting or hitting up a single good win out of those free spins. Yes, slot games are really that heavily
relying on luck for you to have those good hits but sometimes you could really be able to say that its too much.

I can conclude for myself that, even RTP will not be useful and free spins will also not give victory if we do not have the luck to win, so I also ignore that because it is better to buy than to be given for free, although free spins by buying sometimes sucks, but if you buy we can see more opportunities than being given free, there is no need to hope for that, even if we get a big win from free spins maybe you are a lucky person from millions of people in slot games.

Quote from: SmartGold01 on September 28, 2024, 05:42:52 AM

I didn't know as well but whichever ways, in casino they winning ratio are extremely poor which depends solely on luck. Even though some casinos make it fair then fairness isn't that giving much priorities to gamblers because since their main interest is for gamblers to lose and have little or no winning at the later ends. Yes there are lot of people with diverse experience since everyone has the lesson they have all got from casinos and there most be ways to about with gambling/betting site in order not to be fully affected by either with constant lose or something similar.

I want to ask how the form of justice in the casino in your view? Do you have a victory ratio comparable to defeat or what kind of in terms of this, if there are many people who say in this forum that playing slots is only to lose if done in the long term.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

I have never won from a free game before, there are some bonuses I have in my paripesa account but I'm to lazy too use them up or let's just say that I have given up on free spins... I don't think they are designed for gamblers to benefit. getting free spins are not easy because you'd have to fund your account consistently to get it. It's all part of the scheme of taking your money, my first casino bonus had too many terms and conditions, they said I can only cash out when I use to play a multiplier of x10 which is very difficult, I ended up losing the bonus.

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Quote from: Zlantann on September 26, 2024, 04:03:06 AM

Quote from: SmartGold01 on September 25, 2024, 02:32:24 PM

How did you think you would win something huge from free spins?
Just I wonder why you would have this mindset to focused your thinking about making free spins to gain something higher from it, while you and I know that almost or most of the casinos are designed to winning very less to participants and the winning radio could be 1/10 or 10/100 which is extremely poor.

It was later that I discovered that the thread is not about free spins but about the bonus spins feature that is offered in slot games. Winning big with free spins is almost impossible since casinos give out small funds. But the bonuses are attached to your bets. But I still believe that reputable casinos will make it fair. It will be better to give bettors lower bonuses than to give higher multipliers or bonuses, which are difficult to win. However, it still depends on luck. If we do a survey, you might get diverse views because we all have different experiences.

I didn't know as well but whichever ways, in casino they winning ratio are extremely poor which depends solely on luck. Even though some casinos make it fair then fairness isn't that giving much priorities to gamblers because since their main interest is for gamblers to lose and have little or no winning at the later ends. Yes there are lot of people with diverse experience since everyone has the lesson they have all got from casinos and there most be ways to about with gambling/betting site in order not to be fully affected by either with constant lose or something similar.

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Quote from: bangjoe on September 27, 2024, 03:51:25 PM

Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 27, 2024, 08:54:23 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Do not take this far, it is about what the house wants, you cannot change that fact. Even if you ask for advice from a million people, it can't still change the system programmed in what you are playing regardless of whether it is a normal bonus or the buy spin bonus.

Thank goodness that you mentioned RTP at a point, this contributes, but we can't still trust that as well because provably fair itself these days is no longer true, so you should personally judge casinos, games, or bonus systems according to your frequent experience with them.

This is indeed quite confusing and doubtful, especially when talking about RTP which even has 99% and I made purchases several times also getting free spins did not give a win, and the reason that can be accepted is probably because I am unlucky, and always so.

I don't know how it works, but also in other cases without me paying attention to the RTP but getting a much bigger win, and yes I ended up not being affected anymore about the RTP even below 50%. lol

But there are really indeed moments on which we do really be able to make ourselves that thinking on what the heck with that winning chance or odds? specially into the time that you've noticed it out
that the winnings arent that happening despite of having on many rolls? Yes, its understandable that they are really that on advantage on which this is something usual or common but it do really sucks
and give out that bad feeling whenever you've seen yourself having that hard time on even getting or hitting up a single good win out of those free spins. Yes, slot games are really that heavily
relying on luck for you to have those good hits but sometimes you could really be able to say that its too much.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 27, 2024, 08:54:23 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Do not take this far, it is about what the house wants, you cannot change that fact. Even if you ask for advice from a million people, it can't still change the system programmed in what you are playing regardless of whether it is a normal bonus or the buy spin bonus.

Thank goodness that you mentioned RTP at a point, this contributes, but we can't still trust that as well because provably fair itself these days is no longer true, so you should personally judge casinos, games, or bonus systems according to your frequent experience with them.

This is indeed quite confusing and doubtful, especially when talking about RTP which even has 99% and I made purchases several times also getting free spins did not give a win, and the reason that can be accepted is probably because I am unlucky, and always so.

I don't know how it works, but also in other cases without me paying attention to the RTP but getting a much bigger win, and yes I ended up not being affected anymore about the RTP even below 50%. lol

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