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The first win in gambling contributes to the fact that the gambler returns to gambling again and again. After a long series of losses gambler may lose interest in gambling. Winning in the bonus round contributes to the same impact on human psychology that the first win. This is a great marketing move that is designed to attract or retain a gambler on the gambling platform. Winning depends on the algorithm for the distribution of rewards and if according to his calculations in the next 10 minutes none of the gamblers should not win, because only recently was paid a big win, then no matter how you do not play to win is unlikely to succeed.
That seems to be addictive to those who win because they want to have more experiences in winning the games. They forget that when they win, that is because their luck come and gives that chance so they can win. They must control themselves in gambling and not playing gambling excessively because that can make them lose more money. Free spins giving temptation to gamblers to get the chance of winning so they must realize that if they lose in the free spins, they don't have to chase the winning by deposit more money because that will not easy to win. Playing slot game can tempt us difficult to stop so we must know when we stop immediately before we run out of the money.
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I'm not sure there are casinos that give their players more wins than losses, the goal of the casino is to make a profit, so they will give players more losses than wins, even though the casino often gives free spins, the results are unlikely to always be profitable for everyone like last night, where I gambled with the capital I had, honestly, in last night's gambling, it was very easy to get free spins, maybe there were five or six times I got them but the results tended to be bad, it was annoying but there was no surefire way to make free spins better. Well, in my opinion, we shouldn't try hard in gambling, because this big influence of luck is what will determine it, not with our own efforts. I'm sure no matter how hard you try, it won't guarantee that players can get a profitable win if they are not lucky, then there will be no results that can be obtained.

For me, free spins are one of the many ways for a casino to retain a customer as much and as long as possible. While you wait to receive these bonuses, it may take a long time, but during this time you will have made a deposit that the casino is interested in. I also agree that the casino business is primarily concerned only with its profit, and those "goodies" that customers count on are just marketing that works for the casino owners' wallets.

Exactly, as you said that free spin bonuses are one of the other ways that casinos have to keep gamblers going, it increases curiosity, because usually from what I have noticed most of the gamblers involved in this type of casino game manage to get the maximum amount of winnings such as maxwin when they manage to get a free spin bonus with the scenario of getting it for free or by buying it, or what I mean is more gamblers who manage to get maximum wins like maxwin through free spin bonuses so maybe that's why many of them even make deposits again when in the first step they failed to get the free spin bonus.

In fact, free spin bonuses really can't guarantee that you will be able to get big wins like other people get, in the end for the results of course it comes back to your luck, so I suggest not to be too excessive in pursuing something that makes you curious, don't make other people's wins a motivation, remember that gambling will always be a risky activity, and also understand that casinos are very smart in implementing strategies to keep gamblers going longer.
Free spins allow you to break the barrier of those who did not really want to play and make a deposit with real money, and thanks to free spins, a new player will still register and try his luck with the hope that here is a lucky chance. It does not even matter much whether he wins or loses, the main thing is that he registered and can return to the game at any time. Maybe he will have a bad day at work and he will decide to deposit real money on the casino site and play, this can be the beginning of his path as a player and no one knows whether he will be successful or unsuccessful in the end.
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Absolutely agree with you. The first win in gambling contributes to the fact that the gambler returns to gambling again and again. After a long series of losses gambler may lose interest in gambling. Winning in the bonus round contributes to the same impact on human psychology that the first win. This is a great marketing move that is designed to attract or retain a gambler on the gambling platform. Winning depends on the algorithm for the distribution of rewards and if according to his calculations in the next 10 minutes none of the gamblers should not win, because only recently was paid a big win, then no matter how you do not play to win is unlikely to succeed.
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Exactly, as you said that free spin bonuses are one of the other ways that casinos have to keep gamblers going, it increases curiosity, because usually from what I have noticed most of the gamblers involved in this type of casino game manage to get the maximum amount of winnings such as maxwin when they manage to get a free spin bonus with the scenario of getting it for free or by buying it, or what I mean is more gamblers who manage to get maximum wins like maxwin through free spin bonuses so maybe that's why many of them even make deposits again when in the first step they failed to get the free spin bonus.

In fact, free spin bonuses really can't guarantee that you will be able to get big wins like other people get, in the end for the results of course it comes back to your luck, so I suggest not to be too excessive in pursuing something that makes you curious, don't make other people's wins a motivation, remember that gambling will always be a risky activity, and also understand that casinos are very smart in implementing strategies to keep gamblers going longer.
The thing is that this mechanism works simply, if the player manages to win real money on free spins, and it doesn’t even matter what he does with them, whether he wins or loses in the future. The most important thing is that this win will be stored in his memory forever and the player who did not take the game on slots seriously, in a month or even in a few months can return there with real money, because he needed money to pay for something in real life or his salary was not enough to pay a mortgage or support a family. And the player will remember the game as a way to earn money, but we all know for a long time that this will work out. If the player thought about making money with the help of a casino, then he took the bait.
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I'm not sure there are casinos that give their players more wins than losses, the goal of the casino is to make a profit, so they will give players more losses than wins, even though the casino often gives free spins, the results are unlikely to always be profitable for everyone like last night, where I gambled with the capital I had, honestly, in last night's gambling, it was very easy to get free spins, maybe there were five or six times I got them but the results tended to be bad, it was annoying but there was no surefire way to make free spins better. Well, in my opinion, we shouldn't try hard in gambling, because this big influence of luck is what will determine it, not with our own efforts. I'm sure no matter how hard you try, it won't guarantee that players can get a profitable win if they are not lucky, then there will be no results that can be obtained.

For me, free spins are one of the many ways for a casino to retain a customer as much and as long as possible. While you wait to receive these bonuses, it may take a long time, but during this time you will have made a deposit that the casino is interested in. I also agree that the casino business is primarily concerned only with its profit, and those "goodies" that customers count on are just marketing that works for the casino owners' wallets.

Exactly, as you said that free spin bonuses are one of the other ways that casinos have to keep gamblers going, it increases curiosity, because usually from what I have noticed most of the gamblers involved in this type of casino game manage to get the maximum amount of winnings such as maxwin when they manage to get a free spin bonus with the scenario of getting it for free or by buying it, or what I mean is more gamblers who manage to get maximum wins like maxwin through free spin bonuses so maybe that's why many of them even make deposits again when in the first step they failed to get the free spin bonus.

In fact, free spin bonuses really can't guarantee that you will be able to get big wins like other people get, in the end for the results of course it comes back to your luck, so I suggest not to be too excessive in pursuing something that makes you curious, don't make other people's wins a motivation, remember that gambling will always be a risky activity, and also understand that casinos are very smart in implementing strategies to keep gamblers going longer.
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I'm not sure there are casinos that give their players more wins than losses, the goal of the casino is to make a profit, so they will give players more losses than wins, even though the casino often gives free spins, the results are unlikely to always be profitable for everyone like last night, where I gambled with the capital I had, honestly, in last night's gambling, it was very easy to get free spins, maybe there were five or six times I got them but the results tended to be bad, it was annoying but there was no surefire way to make free spins better. Well, in my opinion, we shouldn't try hard in gambling, because this big influence of luck is what will determine it, not with our own efforts. I'm sure no matter how hard you try, it won't guarantee that players can get a profitable win if they are not lucky, then there will be no results that can be obtained.

For me, free spins are one of the many ways for a casino to retain a customer as much and as long as possible. While you wait to receive these bonuses, it may take a long time, but during this time you will have made a deposit that the casino is interested in. I also agree that the casino business is primarily concerned only with its profit, and those "goodies" that customers count on are just marketing that works for the casino owners' wallets.
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Well for this I can't really tell of it because I don't involve in slots games but you said they rarely give out free games but why is your thread  subject saying a different thing entirely, probably you have been using the free bonus from the slot games but you had to discover that engaging in such free games are designed to suck. So what's your point driving to is it the inability of accessing free games or the loss of money involved in free games.
I won't be surprised with it, especially if it was a free game only. Free games are hard to see as well in a base game but if you are too desperate and then the game has a bonus buy feature, you can always avail it.

If someone is scared of losing their money then they shouldn't touch gambling even if their goal is only to hunt literal free games where you won't need to spend money because they can make you addicted and eventually use your own money, especially if that literal free bonus have been removed suddenly by the casinos. I've been on lots of casinos who are like that and I think their goal is only to attract and trap people. I've been a victim of it to be honest and currently I am still finding my way out.
In my own environment in my friendship I have many friends who gamble on slots, and they are different in their beliefs and also different in gambling. I have two friends who have similarities in gambling on slots where these two people take advantage of the bonus purchase feature, for example he gambles with a capital of around $100, when his balance has entered he will choose a game and immediately buy a bonus feature with a certain amount without any manual spins because they believe that in the end they will only lose their balance.
Not much different from my other friend, but he himself still does several manual spins by looking for a spin that he believes is the time to buy a bonus feature and the results will be good, but the funny thing is that it never makes him succeed in getting such a big win. And with others who gamble by hunting for free spins, including myself who chooses this one method rather than buying bonus features continuously.
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I'm not sure there are casinos that give their players more wins than losses, the goal of the casino is to make a profit, so they will give players more losses than wins, even though the casino often gives free spins, the results are unlikely to always be profitable for everyone like last night, where I gambled with the capital I had, honestly, in last night's gambling, it was very easy to get free spins, maybe there were five or six times I got them but the results tended to be bad, it was annoying but there was no surefire way to make free spins better. Well, in my opinion, we shouldn't try hard in gambling, because this big influence of luck is what will determine it, not with our own efforts. I'm sure no matter how hard you try, it won't guarantee that players can get a profitable win if they are not lucky, then there will be no results that can be obtained.
Casino free spins are mainly not given to the gambler to be able to earn a win and make profit but a mechanism to lure him to continue with his money after having to lose all of those free spins and still with the enthusiasm to spin more further. Sometimes if the gambler gets very lucky he could still make some good profits with free spins but is usually not so. However, giving credence to what you aver about gamblers not beating themselves so hard about winning games  is an important attitude all gamblers should incorporate because when it's not your lucky moment your far fetched win will only be a near success-win ultimately leading to streaks of losses.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. We can't say for sure that free games/spins have a lower probability of winning compared to regular spins, because your experience may be different from other users who get the same chance to enjoy free spins, maybe they get profit, or experience the same as you. But it may be a game mechanism that randomly regulates how users can win, and we can't possibly know how slot providers design their game mechanisms since they develop them behind closed doors.
It all depends on the company that programmed the slot machine on the probability they have set it for gamblers to win at a particular ratio. We don't have to be all positive every time when we play slot because we must surely lose bets even though it's not often.
Gambling is meant to be fun while we keep tryinb hard to make profits increasing and updating different strategies to become more profitable. Luck is also important when we bet because that is what will determine how often we can be making profits as gamblers.
I'm not sure there are casinos that give their players more wins than losses, the goal of the casino is to make a profit, so they will give players more losses than wins, even though the casino often gives free spins, the results are unlikely to always be profitable for everyone like last night, where I gambled with the capital I had, honestly, in last night's gambling, it was very easy to get free spins, maybe there were five or six times I got them but the results tended to be bad, it was annoying but there was no surefire way to make free spins better. Well, in my opinion, we shouldn't try hard in gambling, because this big influence of luck is what will determine it, not with our own efforts. I'm sure no matter how hard you try, it won't guarantee that players can get a profitable win if they are not lucky, then there will be no results that can be obtained.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. We can't say for sure that free games/spins have a lower probability of winning compared to regular spins, because your experience may be different from other users who get the same chance to enjoy free spins, maybe they get profit, or experience the same as you. But it may be a game mechanism that randomly regulates how users can win, and we can't possibly know how slot providers design their game mechanisms since they develop them behind closed doors.
It all depends on the company that programmed the slot machine on the probability they have set it for gamblers to win at a particular ratio. We don't have to be all positive every time when we play slot because we must surely lose bets even though it's not often.
Gambling is meant to be fun while we keep tryinb hard to make profits increasing and updating different strategies to become more profitable. Luck is also important when we bet because that is what will determine how often we can be making profits as gamblers.
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I think there is a very big difference even from common sense can different them. As a gambler who played gambling and understand gambling would know that free spins in online casinos are designed to lure gamblers to play the real game and even if you win, the odd will be very small. And it is not easy to win. And that is why I don't normally used them instead I deposit funds and play my normal games and when I loss all the funds I live. No casino will design free games for some to win big and if it happens. It should be once.
Games on free spins are still real games because we are able to withdraw the money that we have won from them later on and as long as it is above the minimum withdrawal threshold that the casino has. If there is a fake game here, then that would only be the demo games. Free spins are supposed to offer better odds than the base games due to their difficulty of appearing in our screens.

It is just that casino is still a business, so there are still plenty of times that we can get a disappointing amount from them. I see that you can easily accept a lost game. So, what is the difference of using a free spin between depositing your own money? And if we can only win big one time at our lifetime stay in the casino, then there is a clear manipulation there. We better watch out for the signs to not waste more time and money.

Well for this I can't really tell of it because I don't involve in slots games but you said they rarely give out free games but why is your thread  subject saying a different thing entirely, probably you have been using the free bonus from the slot games but you had to discover that engaging in such free games are designed to suck. So what's your point driving to is it the inability of accessing free games or the loss of money involved in free games.
I won't be surprised with it, especially if it was a free game only. Free games are hard to see as well in a base game but if you are too desperate and then the game has a bonus buy feature, you can always avail it.

If someone is scared of losing their money then they shouldn't touch gambling even if their goal is only to hunt literal free games where you won't need to spend money because they can make you addicted and eventually use your own money, especially if that literal free bonus have been removed suddenly by the casinos. I've been on lots of casinos who are like that and I think their goal is only to attract and trap people. I've been a victim of it to be honest and currently I am still finding my way out.
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Maybe yes, maybe no. We can't say for sure that free games/spins have a lower probability of winning compared to regular spins, because your experience may be different from other users who get the same chance to enjoy free spins, maybe they get profit, or experience the same as you. But it may be a game mechanism that randomly regulates how users can win, and we can't possibly know how slot providers design their game mechanisms since they develop them behind closed doors.
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
I play slot a lot, and overall, what I have learnt and have come to terms with as regards slot games is that, making anything tangible from it is simply based on how lucky the gambler is, and this does not matter whether the gambler bought they bonus spins or not.
I personally have never been lucky with with slot games even in times when I bought the bonus, as at the end of the day, I discover that either did not win anything, or I only managed to recover they money I initially spent on buying the bonus, without any profit or a very minor one.

Slot games, to me is not really a game to depend on when one is gambling and hoping to make some money, I simply play slot games for fun even though I still hope to win some money in that process.
But then, when ever I want to gamble to make money, I go for sports betting since I enjoy better luck there.
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You can’t win every time. I’ve always been impressed with how easily it seems that I’m able to win free bonus spins on games. Granted I’ve never hit a big payday, but it’s exciting nonetheless. I guess you just have to have appropriate expectations and understand you’re paying for entertainment. You obvious aren’t likely to win more than you lose.
If this is the case, then we're all faking it by trying to convince ourselves -- or someone else around us that we're only into this for the outcome.
Some don't even see it as a form of entertainment; that's where the unnecessary pressure and eagerness sets in... The more you wager, the less possible it becomes to secure a single win.

What's even more pathetic is that people don't still wanna acknowledge the fact that they can't win unless it's just one of their lucky days - what's this professionalism y'all speak of then? The percentage of gamblers that  hit the big wins is the minority amongst the total population of gamblers worldwide so, who's losing more?
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A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.
In fact, I think the results are often bad and that's what sometimes makes us upset or annoying, but that's not something that really needs to be a problem because it's natural for the results to end up being less profitable. Players should be able to accept the results that occur even though they are annoying, there are many cases where emotions peak when the results make us upset and this is where we are wrong where we can't control ourselves with the results that occur, as much as possible we must be able to control ourselves with the circumstances that occur the goal is to keep things okay. If the results are bad, it's not because it's unfair but it's natural, as you said, it's not just a matter of luck. Because gambling does involve luck, if it's time to be lucky, victory will occur even though we didn't expect it before that it would result in a profitable victory.
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It does not work that way because the wins are not programmed to favour you when there are many people playing or not. The algorithm is just random and at time nobody knows what the winning numbers are. Slots game are based on luck only and we should not be expecting too much from the free or bonus games. They are free and not designed for you to win big from them. These games are supposed to motivate you to continue playing by giving you small wins that makes you to think that you can win more when you wager your own money and that is how the casino make money from you because you start losing when you start staking real money. Free games are like test games and they are not the real deal. It is like when you use demo account for trading and then try using live account, the difference are always clear.

Always remember, at the end of the day, there's always house edge for a reason. So even if they offer some free rolls, in the long run, the house will always have the profit from their end. Of course, there are some winners but they won't be on the negative after the end of their promo run. Just like free games, definitely, they will be offering some good winnings but they won't go to the extent of bankruptcy.

Most casino games have the attraction that every player can get addicted of. Now, it is on the player how he will contain himself whenever he is in front of his game. Otherwise, he can easily become the slave of this activity and lose himself in the process.
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
Aren't those counted as part of the same RNG formula? At least that's only way it would make sense.

But i am not sure what you mean, bonus (or free) games that i've played have definitely gave most profits during my gambling, but that's why if you want to buy them as separate game, they cost more. Otherwise everyone would just play those. Winnings and winning changes are technically relative to the money you spend. That result of relativity however won't probably show in normal casual gaming.

I never buy them, because even if ratio for winning would be more or less the same, it doesn't include the slim change of getting that $160 worth of free spins with one $2 bet.
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A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.
Agreed, it's hard to give an exact guarantee of winning with freespins they depend on luck. Many times it is seen that many benefits are derived from free spin based bonuses, so that players are able to improve their scores and winnings, which leads to better spins which ultimately generate coins for use after the game. Whenever the client wants to finalize their session and withdraw the momentarily earned winnings they must be bound by the frequently displayed terms and conditions thereby minimizing the risk.
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Well indirectly this is also something I question my friend, thank you for opening the topic, I am also one of the gamblers who favor casino games like slots and lately I feel that when I manage to get a bonus round (without buying) I see the rounds in it are really very bad, this happens in the long term like the last few months which is added again it is really difficult to get the free spins if you don't buy them, I have completed hundreds of rounds and even though the balance in my account has run out I still haven't managed to get the free spins.

This is really annoying, I don't know about whether most casinos are now changing the mechanism in each game to make it harder to win or what, because previously what I thought was maybe because I was really far from luck, this situation really makes it difficult for me to win, even in small amounts, and indirectly this situation also makes my interest in gambling disappear. Sad

I could see it being really easy and convenient to change an online gambling websites coding to favor the casino. I could imagine free spins winning some small rigged bets to lure you in but once you’re hooked boom a change in the algorithm. Now nothing is for certain and I’m not saying that happens but how hard is it really for a fully online casino to make the odds a bit more in their favor??

Yes, maybe that's the mechanism or scenario that the casino does in changing the game algorithm by luring gamblers by showing some small wins and after gamblers start to be tempted to bet more impulsively, that's where the casino will turn things around to make it harder to win. But even though I feel that now the game is really hard to win, thousands of spins are going very badly, along with the spins I get from the free spins bonus, but I never think or research what really happened.

Because I think it's useless for me to look for various information related to what really happened so that the game runs so badly, I just think that maybe luck is really far from me, along with reducing my involvement in gambling.
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Well indirectly this is also something I question my friend, thank you for opening the topic, I am also one of the gamblers who favor casino games like slots and lately I feel that when I manage to get a bonus round (without buying) I see the rounds in it are really very bad, this happens in the long term like the last few months which is added again it is really difficult to get the free spins if you don't buy them, I have completed hundreds of rounds and even though the balance in my account has run out I still haven't managed to get the free spins.

This is really annoying, I don't know about whether most casinos are now changing the mechanism in each game to make it harder to win or what, because previously what I thought was maybe because I was really far from luck, this situation really makes it difficult for me to win, even in small amounts, and indirectly this situation also makes my interest in gambling disappear. Sad

I could see it being really easy and convenient to change an online gambling websites coding to favor the casino. I could imagine free spins winning some small rigged bets to lure you in but once you’re hooked boom a change in the algorithm. Now nothing is for certain and I’m not saying that happens but how hard is it really for a fully online casino to make the odds a bit more in their favor??

So easy for them to change everything once they see many gamblers winning especially if it's just a free bet. They don't want that happening so they will have to adjust.
Just recently, I have been winning in one slot provider (not going to mention the name) which can be played in our local gambling site application and I was shocked that after the certain slot provider finished their maintenance, I cannot win a damn thing anymore. Most were just playing tag with it or losing all my balance so I deposited one more time and tried again until all my profits were taken back from me with no single resistance.
I mean I could understand that I will lose it all, but that fast is just too shocking for me and I bet the gambling site is the one behind it as they maybe saw how much players are winning in that provider.
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