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Quote from: iv4n on September 29, 2024, 09:11:38 AM

Quote from: michellee on September 29, 2024, 08:26:26 AM

I never think about RNG, fairness, or even luck because that will prevents me from enjoying the game.

Same here... If I wish to play some slot I will play it. If someone doubts fairness shouldn't play slots at all. RTP can be low or high, but that's the last thing I look at when I am searching for a slot to play... in my experience, it doesn't really matter, I lost & won a bunch of money on both. If we are lucky we will win, if it's a bad day even the slots with the highest possible RTP will eat our balance.

So you are totally right, slots are all about luck... and if we decide to spend some money playing slots we should enjoy it every second. If we bother with some technicalities it will just ruin the experience. We should enjoy playing with the money we can afford to lose... and if we lose the money we can hope for more luck next time, and if we win it will be like a cherry on the top. Sadly we can't taste that cherry often, but when it happens it's a great feeling.

And remember if you feels something wrong happen to you, you can stop and leave the game before that wrong thing really happen and make you lose the money. We deserve to play in any slot game and stop it immediately because we are in charge with our money and we don't want to lose huge money. That is why we don't have to think about other things that is not needed because that can disturb our focus to playing slot game.

We just let our luck comes to us and help to wins the money. If we don't wins at that time, we have the other days to returns to casino and play the other slot games. What we needs to do is just enjoy the experience and have fun when playing the game so we can fills our free time by relax with the slot game.

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Quote from: Dewi Aries on September 25, 2024, 01:47:28 PM

Well indirectly this is also something I question my friend, thank you for opening the topic, I am also one of the gamblers who favor casino games like slots and lately I feel that when I manage to get a bonus round (without buying) I see the rounds in it are really very bad, this happens in the long term like the last few months which is added again it is really difficult to get the free spins if you don't buy them, I have completed hundreds of rounds and even though the balance in my account has run out I still haven't managed to get the free spins.

This is really annoying, I don't know about whether most casinos are now changing the mechanism in each game to make it harder to win or what, because previously what I thought was maybe because I was really far from luck, this situation really makes it difficult for me to win, even in small amounts, and indirectly this situation also makes my interest in gambling disappear. Sad

I could see it being really easy and convenient to change an online gambling websites coding to favor the casino. I could imagine free spins winning some small rigged bets to lure you in but once you’re hooked boom a change in the algorithm. Now nothing is for certain and I’m not saying that happens but how hard is it really for a fully online casino to make the odds a bit more in their favor??

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Quote from: ajiz138 on September 29, 2024, 09:29:45 AM

Quote from: pawanjain on September 29, 2024, 03:33:11 AM

A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

I have never seen a free spin making a gambler to get fortunate with huge winnings. Many gamblers I have seen making money from spinning, are mostly their staked money and not from free spin. I think the free spin could have it own different algorithms that will make it very hard for gamblers to make reasonable amount of money from spinning. And also their are terms and conditions for free spin and you can not win up to a certain figure, that's in case if you are very lucky to win higher than the expected amount of money. Free spins can be worth trying but we should not be too excited about it because you can not win more than the way the game algorithm has programmed it.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on September 29, 2024, 09:37:37 AM

Quote from: ajiz138 on September 29, 2024, 09:29:45 AM

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

However, the Slot game will always rely on luck. whether it's free spins or buying bonuses, no one can prove fair or not. fair maybe if the player gets some wins. It's unfair to the player who loses. I think that feeling will continue to exist.
If you feel there is injustice in the slot game. then you just need to find another game. if the problem is the free spins that seems unfair. then there is no need to do it.

Right, the point is as you said my friend that if we talk about the type of casino game then it will always depend on how lucky we are when running the session, no matter how you play, how often you play, how much capital you bring to play and also whatever scenario you experience when playing the type of game you choose, and also other things yes we really can't prove whether the game is proven fair or not, we won't be able to do anything to find evidence of it.

Therefore, this is the importance of understanding and knowing about the actual risks of the type of casino game, because when you understand and know that everything runs randomly then you shouldn't think that the game is unfair to you, and I think it's very simple that when the results of the free spins or hundreds of normal spins that run are not as you expected then that means you are unlucky.

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Quote from: Oasisman on September 29, 2024, 01:59:26 AM

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

It does not work that way because the wins are not programmed to favour you when there are many people playing or not. The algorithm is just random and at time nobody knows what the winning numbers are. Slots game are based on luck only and we should not be expecting too much from the free or bonus games. They are free and not designed for you to win big from them. These games are supposed to motivate you to continue playing by giving you small wins that makes you to think that you can win more when you wager your own money and that is how the casino make money from you because you start losing when you start staking real money. Free games are like test games and they are not the real deal. It is like when you use demo account for trading and then try using live account, the difference are always clear.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

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For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Regarding slot games, I don't really go into or find out to dig up a lot of information, especially those related to knowledge. There may be many things that I don't know, but basically this type of game is purely based on luck. As for RTP, sometimes it doesn't affect us even though it is showing a good green line. But maybe, for gamblers who are lucky they get something fun. Likewise with RNG, we don't even have or know a certain formula related to it. What I know is playing the game that I want to play, which is most often a game from PragmaticPlay. To be honest, I am the type of player who rarely buys the free spin feature. Because for me, the challenge is getting free spins. Regarding the reward, of course it cannot be ascertained. Likewise with buying with the bonus option. I speak from experience, sometimes playing slots requires much more patience. Not infrequently, from the free spins I get good hits and get quite a lot of rewards. For me, slot games are more about uncertainty than betting or other types of games. But when you are in lucky mode, you can get a jackpot or we usually call it maxwin.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on September 29, 2024, 09:29:45 AM

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

However, the Slot game will always rely on luck. whether it's free spins or buying bonuses, no one can prove fair or not. fair maybe if the player gets some wins. It's unfair to the player who loses. I think that feeling will continue to exist.
If you feel there is injustice in the slot game. then you just need to find another game. if the problem is the free spins that seems unfair. then there is no need to do it.

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Would be good if OP would describe what «shit rewards» really are. From my experience, free games or free spins in slots were limited with amount of lines, as well they were minimum available bets. So playing 20 cents per bet with 1-line or a bit more lines spin, it is technically impossible to get a big win. The maximum that I have got from such free spins were $1-5 per spin, and such wins were really rare. On the other hand, hoping to get «not shit reward» or something large from free spins is wrong. Free spins, games, or anything that is free in gambling isnt supposed to give large rewards.

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Quote from: pawanjain on September 29, 2024, 03:33:11 AM

A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on September 29, 2024, 09:23:00 AM

AFAIK the bonus spins are different from the current bet of the game, if you make a bonus spins come from deposit or reward it does not make the same with your current bet, instead it seems just the lowest bet reason why it has a small reward. Now on the buy bonus spins its different of course the designated amount you buy bonus are just a head start to have a spins now this are program not quite sure if its a system generated or there's a specific chance or percentage to shows a good amount of combo. This is the feature casino offering to have the high risk reward if you will make a casual spin and wait for the bonus spin or make a headstart spin for fast chance but an expensive one.

The free spin you are describing is the one came from the promotion of the casino which is the literal free spin while the free spin in subject here are the one that can get if you hit the required number of scatter or buying the bonus buy feature of the slot games.

I think he is comparing the difficulty to get the free spin through the use of manual spin and get scatter symbol. I rarely do manual spin since it’s time consuming and at the same time makes my patience short so I always choose bonus buy which I consider as lump sum of manual spin just hit scatter.

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AFAIK the bonus spins are different from the current bet of the game, if you make a bonus spins come from deposit or reward it does not make the same with your current bet, instead it seems just the lowest bet reason why it has a small reward. Now on the buy bonus spins its different of course the designated amount you buy bonus are just a head start to have a spins now this are program not quite sure if its a system generated or there's a specific chance or percentage to shows a good amount of combo. This is the feature casino offering to have the high risk reward if you will make a casual spin and wait for the bonus spin or make a headstart spin for fast chance but an expensive one.

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Quote from: michellee on September 29, 2024, 08:26:26 AM

I never think about RNG, fairness, or even luck because that will prevents me from enjoying the game.

Same here... If I wish to play some slot I will play it. If someone doubts fairness shouldn't play slots at all. RTP can be low or high, but that's the last thing I look at when I am searching for a slot to play... in my experience, it doesn't really matter, I lost & won a bunch of money on both. If we are lucky we will win, if it's a bad day even the slots with the highest possible RTP will eat our balance.

So you are totally right, slots are all about luck... and if we decide to spend some money playing slots we should enjoy it every second. If we bother with some technicalities it will just ruin the experience. We should enjoy playing with the money we can afford to lose... and if we lose the money we can hope for more luck next time, and if we win it will be like a cherry on the top. Sadly we can't taste that cherry often, but when it happens it's a great feeling.

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Quote from: Orpichukwu on September 29, 2024, 06:10:50 AM

Quote from: Hatchy on September 29, 2024, 01:23:19 AM

You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

Yeah, the experience and the kind of feedback that will be given will be based on the gambler and the type of experience they have with each of them.

For some, there are those whom free spin has been able to favour more than when played with deposited money; sometimes I don't even think there is any level of unfairness in it, as the winning percentage can just be based on luck and not necessarily on whether it's free spin or not.

That is clearly different because they play various slot games which will not be the same. Besides that, the luck factor is also different between each gambler so the result will be different. But winning in free spins is something that we want although that will not easy as we imagine.

We must think about the luck when playing slot game because we never know when our luck comes and we can only continue playing. If we decide to continue roll the button without thinks to limit the money because if not do that, we can spends too much money but we don't have a big percentage to win. That will be a problem if we spends too much money without limits.

I never think about RNG, fairness, or even luck because that will prevents me from enjoying the game.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 29, 2024, 03:16:29 AM

Quote from: Oasisman on September 29, 2024, 01:59:26 AM

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

I've won using free spins before but I still won't encourage anyone to depend on bonuses from casinos because most of the time the opposite happens, it is free bonuses, something you don't pay for, lower your expectations.

Free bonuses are a good way to bring in new people, to atleast have some experience about how the games feel like, they are not giving up free bonuses to make people win free money, this is similar to using demo account on a trading platform, it is all about the feel and the experience.

The less expectations from bonuses the better, the last time I won using bonus spins from slots was not expected, it just happened, although I have to meet up with the casino criteria to withdraw but that's it.

Odds on winning would be less but it doesnt mean that people would be losing up completely without having any chances on winning. If it does then they would really be having that tons of complaints
in regarding to that. We do know that there would really be those individuals who would really be that too sensitive when it comes to odds on which if they do find out that it is really that not that fair
then it will really be normal that it would really be getting those kind of reactions that there's something wrong on the odds about it. Despite of people or gamblers knowing that they are on disadvantage
but still it will really be that impossible that they wont really be having any words in regarding into this one.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

The answer is yes, free bets are really annoying and annoying, you are really annoyed by these free bets, indeed free slot bets are tempting, but you have to really follow all their rules to be successful, What's more, you spin the free bet in a slot game, in a matter of minutes you will get nothing but losses and the free balance will end up at zero.

To be honest i ignored the free bets for a long time, even though they were free piling up in my account, but i really don't want to use them anymore, I'm sure the free betting system is designed in such a way to attract users and in the end of the story it's all just a ploy you really never get it.

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Quote from: crwth on September 25, 2024, 01:29:06 PM

This is an exciting topic because learning how slot machines work could help you win more and increase your chances of winning.

https://www.casino.org/bonus/free-spins/

According to the website I searched above, There are different RNGs for free spins compared to bonus spins. It is definitely unpredictable, and it is harder to quantify it as well. I don’t think the developers would fully say it or something.

It is designed to let more money in than out.

It can be said that this is a developer trick to make players excited and curious, here the players are not aware of all that, actually we can see the frequency of winning if paid and free in the round, the developer does not want to lose
so for free spins 100: 1 to be able to win the round,

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The free games that are given in slot games are a strategy of a casino owner to get the attention of other gamblers. Of course, when a gambler tries to play a slot game and he enjoys it because it is free games, so when the free games run out, it can be a way for the gambler to deposit money in the casino so that he can play again at the casino where he experienced free games.

So if we look at it literally, the games are like bait to catch fish; that's what I see in the free games or free spins provided by a casino gambling platform for no other reason.

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when free games or free spins are obtained, no one knows clearly what the results will be like, whether the amount of the bet is large or small, there is no clear certainty. When the results are not in accordance with what was previously thought, because I think everyone feels where when they get free spins or free games, what is in their mind is a big win or maxxwin, it's just that often the results are not in accordance and can be even worse, and honestly things like this are indeed a little annoying and annoying.

However, for players there is nothing else that can be done even though the results are not in accordance, we can do nothing but have to be able to accept it well. For example, there is someone who places a bet with a large amount and manages to get a free spin or game but the result is a dud then the player cannot accept this, it is likely that he will experience excessive emotions. Well, with the emotions that occur, this will not make the situation better, right? even if the player protests to the existing online staff, it will not produce better results than what has happened.

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Quote from: Woodie on September 28, 2024, 02:30:12 PM

Quote from: vs2014 on September 28, 2024, 01:35:00 PM

This can make a big difference because anyone who gambles and understands gambling knows that free spins in online casinos are designed to entice gamblers to play the real game.

Oh yeah then there is this , you win using demo funds and when you try with real funds the game changes altogether and you can't explain what has changed as you run out of luck and lose.

I think there's a difference between the demo plays vs the free spins plays? Demo plays usually have skewed odds towards the player so that it can, as others have said, entice other people. Compare that to free spins, as I've said before, which seem to just have bad returns because of the difference in games between the free spins and the regular spins. Unless ofc stated by the casino otherwise. Highly doubt they have differences though.

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Quote from: Oasisman on September 29, 2024, 01:59:26 AM

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it.

Nice way to put it. The word "free" or the notion of getting something for free, without doing anything in return makes it all the more tempting to try out - got nothing to lose - right? Wrong, because you can start losing yourself to the gambling greed.

Hmm, I'd say it depends? Nothing wrong with not expecting anything in free spins. What you're saying is more aligned to people chasing free spins instead, which as you've said, leads to just greed. Like trying to "maximize" gambling.

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Quote from: Hatchy on September 29, 2024, 01:23:19 AM

You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

Yeah, the experience and the kind of feedback that will be given will be based on the gambler and the type of experience they have with each of them.

For some, there are those whom free spin has been able to favour more than when played with deposited money; sometimes I don't even think there is any level of unfairness in it, as the winning percentage can just be based on luck and not necessarily on whether it's free spin or not.

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