Are free games in online slot games designed to really suck? - page 15.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 27, 2024, 08:54:23 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Do not take this far, it is about what the house wants, you cannot change that fact. Even if you ask for advice from a million people, it can't still change the system programmed in what you are playing regardless of whether it is a normal bonus or the buy spin bonus.

Thank goodness that you mentioned RTP at a point, this contributes, but we can't still trust that as well because provably fair itself these days is no longer true, so you should personally judge casinos, games, or bonus systems according to your frequent experience with them.

This is indeed quite confusing and doubtful, especially when talking about RTP which even has 99% and I made purchases several times also getting free spins did not give a win, and the reason that can be accepted is probably because I am unlucky, and always so.

I don't know how it works, but also in other cases without me paying attention to the RTP but getting a much bigger win, and yes I ended up not being affected anymore about the RTP even below 50%. lol

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Quote from: hyudien on September 27, 2024, 04:13:43 AM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Sometimes I can get the maximum win when I get free spins or buy the free spin feature, but the number of losses or results that do not match what is issued occurs more often. This goes back to luck, because no one can say for sure what will happen in each round. Even as you said, even if they cheat, we never know about it.
But honestly I feel a little more annoyed when I get free spins but don't give anything, in my opinion it's just a waste of time and also just makes us hope. That's something I often feel and it's really annoying.
Back to luck, we shouldn't expect so much from something that depends on luck.

Yes, in casino games especially, I think it's luck that obviously grant someone success but sports game requires your skills and not only luck.

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I have experienced playing slot game from PG up to 200 spins but no winning even not reach break even. I also don't get free spins so I don't know why but I guess that is because I don't have luck so I started to reduce the number of spins and only play moderately. By using that way, I can reduce my losses and just trying to enjoy the games.

But when I try the other slot game from different provider, I sometime lucky and win for some money. But mostly, I still lose my money so when you playing slot game, you must consider that slot game need luck if you want to win. But we don't know when we can win and could only keep trying to spin. But many people use buy Bonus to increase their chance to win and some people can win but the other still lose their money. Maybe there are a different RNG formulas that we don't know and only casino will know.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Hi fellow degens.

You're not saying this for me.

Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions?

They are designed to give you a rush of emotions that hooks you, and then you look for that rush again.

I'm not sure if the normal spins have more RTP than the bonus ones but I generally don't trust bonuses, since the house sells them to you as something that gives you an advantage and in the end if they offer you the bonus it's because they are winning. Maybe you as an individual player will win games but the house knows that all players who buy bonuses will make a good profit for the house.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Do not take this far, it is about what the house wants, you cannot change that fact. Even if you ask for advice from a million people, it can't still change the system programmed in what you are playing regardless of whether it is a normal bonus or the buy spin bonus.

Thank goodness that you mentioned RTP at a point, this contributes, but we can't still trust that as well because provably fair itself these days is no longer true, so you should personally judge casinos, games, or bonus systems according to your frequent experience with them.

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Quote from: hyudien on September 27, 2024, 04:13:43 AM

I feel a little more annoyed when I get free spins but don't give anything, in my opinion it's just a waste of time and also just makes us hope. That's something I often feel and it's really annoying.
Back to luck, we shouldn't expect so much from something that depends on luck.

Like you said just don’t expect much from it.

People probably feel frustrated if they don’t win from these bonus or free games but that is because they are definitely hoping to get lucky and come out with a huge winning. If you don’t take it too seriously and just play the game as it is, you would not be as stressed or annoyed as you would be now. I honestly don’t think your chances differ if you paid or you didn’t pay. Either way is the same.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Sometimes I can get the maximum win when I get free spins or buy the free spin feature, but the number of losses or results that do not match what is issued occurs more often. This goes back to luck, because no one can say for sure what will happen in each round. Even as you said, even if they cheat, we never know about it.
But honestly I feel a little more annoyed when I get free spins but don't give anything, in my opinion it's just a waste of time and also just makes us hope. That's something I often feel and it's really annoying.
Back to luck, we shouldn't expect so much from something that depends on luck.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on September 26, 2024, 04:32:05 PM

Sometimes the way some casinos treat the free game can even make you feel as if you can have a better chance of winning when you are awarded a bonus to play with compared to when you are using real money. I said this because there are times when I might be running out of money, and when I'm being given a free spin, that free spin always gets me a winning that can keep me going for a little while.

While in some cases it will just be as if you should never have been given those free games, as they are completely and almost worthless since no matter how hard you try, you can never get out with a decent winning with it.

The way the casino attracts players can make them forget their limits, whether it is profitable or detrimental. When players play the game and over time it drains their balance leaving only a little, then at a time like this they get a free spin even though the results are bad, this will make them addicted to depositing their money again because they think that they are almost winning, this is where the fact occurs that says pursuing victory is actually the wrong action.
I agree with what you said, no matter how hard we try, we can't get the victory we deserve. It should be noted that victory in gambling is very much determined by our own luck, so no matter how hard we try, if luck is not on our side, there will be no victory that can be obtained and vice versa with us who do it, for example, carelessly but luck is on our side, then we cannot avoid the victory that will occur, but what must be known is that luck can't guess when it will be on our side.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Well that's it, we will never know whether the casino is cheating or not in our gambling session, and as you said even if the casino is unfair to the gamblers then of course we will not know that they are cheating in setting up the game system, all we know is depositing money, guessing and pressing buttons.
I also quite agree with your last point that the presence of free spin bonuses provided by casinos is a strategy for them to make gamblers always feel interested and curious, and it is also one of the factors that triggers emotions in a gambler when the results of the spin bonus are very bad which in most cases makes gamblers feel unacceptable and want to take revenge by buying the spin bonus which makes them trapped and lose more.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 26, 2024, 06:13:35 PM

I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

Actually, in my opinion, gambling like this is not a cheating done by the casino, I still think positively that the casino is only tasked with providing a game that can be played with a percentage of defeat that will be experienced by the player because they are also looking for profit by providing everything. After that, it all depends on the player himself, I admit that when you get a free spin but the results are bad, it is indeed annoying, but we can't do anything but accept it, rather than thinking about it, it will probably only make us lose control of ourselves.
I agree with what you said about the free spins, it is their way of attracting deeper players to continue gambling again and again, with that the host does not need to worry about the profit. But this is the problem we have to face, we have to be able to control ourselves with whatever results happen, because basically the casino does not have an element of coercion.

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I have never win any significant profit from free spin/game and it actually made me to think that it's worse than normal paid bet, although I do think that casino games are not fair all the time, even if they are cheating, we wouldn't know. Some gamblers have been lucky to make a good profit from free bet but I think only a few cases, that's to say that free bet is not usually very profitable but just a means to attract customers to gamble with their money and lose more.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on September 26, 2024, 04:32:05 PM

Sometimes the way some casinos treat the free game can even make you feel as if you can have a better chance of winning when you are awarded a bonus to play with compared to when you are using real money. I said this because there are times when I might be running out of money, and when I'm being given a free spin, that free spin always gets me a winning that can keep me going for a little while.

While in some cases it will just be as if you should never have been given those free games, as they are completely and almost worthless since no matter how hard you try, you can never get out with a decent winning with it.

Yes, it's all very subjective. Just recently there was a thread where someone complained that he made a huge number of spins on a high-multiplier slot and won nothing at all. But I'm sure that someone is lucky and will notice that such slots are "profitable". Personally, I rarely used free spins, but the experience was positive - I was able to win back the bet amount and even came out on black (the amount was insignificant, something like $20).

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Quote from: Nwada001 on September 26, 2024, 04:32:05 PM

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Because the purpose of free games is completely different. The casino provides this opportunity for the sole purpose that you try it for free and then play for money. I can assume that a low percentage of winnings is initially laid down there so that the casino does not incur an additional loss.

Sometimes the way some casinos treat the free game can even make you feel as if you can have a better chance of winning when you are awarded a bonus to play with compared to when you are using real money. I said this because there are times when I might be running out of money, and when I'm being given a free spin, that free spin always gets me a winning that can keep me going for a little while.

While in some cases it will just be as if you should never have been given those free games, as they are completely and almost worthless since no matter how hard you try, you can never get out with a decent winning with it.

Yes, it is a natural feeling scenario felt by a gambler, but for the problem of the results of the free spins actually comes back to how lucky you are at that time, we will never know whether the free spins will give you a win so you can play longer or not.

The results in the game do not depend on how hard you fight or how high your level of expectation of victory is, it comes back to how lucky you are at that time. Therefore, when your balance is running low and it turns out that you managed to get a free spin bonus, don't put too much hope in winning, because after all the free spin bonus is not a sign that you will win.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on September 26, 2024, 02:13:03 PM

...Winning from free games are very difficult because the system isn't designed to have a lot of winners ...

Because the purpose of free games is completely different. The casino provides this opportunity for the sole purpose that you try it for free and then play for money. I can assume that a low percentage of winnings is initially laid down there so that the casino does not incur an additional loss.

Sometimes the way some casinos treat the free game can even make you feel as if you can have a better chance of winning when you are awarded a bonus to play with compared to when you are using real money. I said this because there are times when I might be running out of money, and when I'm being given a free spin, that free spin always gets me a winning that can keep me going for a little while.

While in some cases it will just be as if you should never have been given those free games, as they are completely and almost worthless since no matter how hard you try, you can never get out with a decent winning with it.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on September 26, 2024, 11:16:08 AM

I often play slot games, and this is the only one I go to every time I enter crypto gambling, as long as the typical slot games are the only ones I always encounter.

But I've never experienced playing slot games that gave free spins, although before I can't remember what casino platform it is that gives free spins when you always play their gambling, even though it's just their promo. But now I don't see anything like that anymore and experience it like that.

Have you never played Gate Olympus or Starlight Princess or again Bonanza and other Pragmatic products, there when we play for a long time you will get free spins, I often get it but it's true that free spins really don't pay very big, it's different when we buy spins, big wins are possible there instead of using Free Spins.

OP what you are thinking is right about how Free spins are, maybe when our account is still a beginner and we are still hesitant in gambling getting wins with Free Spins it really feels pretty good even at large Bet though, unlike for a long time, it rarely works to give us big wins, i thing well be better to buy. Cheesy

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Quote from: tvplus006 on September 26, 2024, 03:09:27 PM

Quote from: Jaycoinz on September 26, 2024, 02:13:03 PM

...Winning from free games are very difficult because the system isn't designed to have a lot of winners ...

Because the purpose of free games is completely different. The casino provides this opportunity for the sole purpose that you try it for free and then play for money. I can assume that a low percentage of winnings is initially laid down there so that the casino does not incur an additional loss.

Its not really that something new or shocking thing on which we do know that these a businesses and of course they will really be setting out something that they would really be on advantage.
They would really be trying out to minimize or incur loses as much as possible and thats why it would really be that understandable that they might be tweaking out those winning chance.
As a gambler then you shouldnt really be making yourself that being too optimistic on winning up with those free bets or games and if you have noticed out something different or odd
about winning chance, then it will really be that common sense that they do set it out on their advantage. Just like the rest been saying that there's no way on proving it out though.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on September 26, 2024, 02:13:03 PM

...Winning from free games are very difficult because the system isn't designed to have a lot of winners ...

Because the purpose of free games is completely different. The casino provides this opportunity for the sole purpose that you try it for free and then play for money. I can assume that a low percentage of winnings is initially laid down there so that the casino does not incur an additional loss.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

I have been playing slot games for a while so I can say that it's not really easy to win from free spins. I have had some wins from casino bonuses but they were not that huge. Winning from free games are very difficult because the system isn't designed to have a lot of winners but since you are not staking with real money you can give it a shot, personally I don't really think slot games are profitable, the game doesn't favour the gambler, a lot of casino games are like this but people still get themselves attached to the game

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

I can't answer for sure but this question can be answered by the online casino developers themselves but unfortunately they will not leak the main capital to seek profit to just anyone. Until now, speculation about manipulation or has been designed to make you lose more in the Slot game is the same fate as many of us who have played in various types of Slot Providers.

Therefore, I started to reduce my playing activity in slot games, either to chase bonuses or free spins. Everything is no longer profitable, fortunately soccer betting saves me from slot games because now the soccer schedule keeps me busy to bet with clearer advantages. Even if I have to play in a luck-based game, the option that I currently often use is the classic Crash game there, maybe I can gradually withdraw my winnings with a cash out setting of 1.5x or 2x, I don't really want to take risks.

You are definitely right on which there's no way on knowing things yet this one would really be pertaining about coding, whether they are really that setting it out to be having those kind of odds on winning
up against the players or those are really that normally adjusted according into their advantage? Its not really that shocking anymore on which we know that house do always win at the end on which its really that a common thing that you would really be that on disadvantage in the end of the day. This is why on the time or moment that you do play against the house then expect that getting out will really be not that something simple or easy. You will really be able to have that struggle on reaching out those threshold on which we know that only a few gamblers who do really able to make it out. Grin

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Quote from: Oluwa-btc on September 26, 2024, 02:13:04 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on September 25, 2024, 08:48:40 AM

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

Well for this I can't really tell of it because I don't involve in slots games but you said they rarely give out free games but why is your thread subject saying a different thing entirely, probably you have been using the free bonus from the slot games but you had to discover that engaging in such free games are designed to suck. So what's your point driving to is it the inability of accessing free games or the loss of money involved in free games.Well what I'll say is you need to enjoy the game as it is, and basically not putting mind in such free games you know I know some people are always scared of loosing their hard money to gambling so this is why they take advantage of the free games and bets especially in slots games.

I only was wondering why OP is interested in the free spins when it's just a one-time time that the casino does to spread the word around how their casino seems to be the best in the industry. If a gambler is interested in making money from gambling then he should deposit and start playing games. Instead of expecting free spins to gamble. I bet he is a new gambler and his expectations of free spins and vouchers are delusional.

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