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You can’t win every time. I’ve always been impressed with how easily it seems that I’m able to win free bonus spins on games. Granted I’ve never hit a big payday, but it’s exciting nonetheless. I guess you just have to have appropriate expectations and understand you’re paying for entertainment. You obvious aren’t likely to win more than you lose.

Exactly, I think we should immediately return to the realistic understanding that gambling is not created to make you easy to make money, the casino has set everything in the system, they have set about when you should win and when you should lose, and if you want to stay involved in the activity then you must also be able to accept the fact that the casino will always be superior at all times, meaning that when your losses are much greater than your wins then that is something natural.

Free spins are not the answer or a sign that you will go home with a win, it is still part of the system set by the casino, so I strongly agree with your suggestion that a gambler is advised to always have realistic expectations.
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I often play slot games, and this is the only one I go to every time I enter crypto gambling, as long as the typical slot games are the only ones I always encounter.

But I've never experienced playing slot games that gave free spins, although before I can't remember what casino platform it is that gives free spins when you always play their gambling, even though it's just their promo. But now I don't see anything like that anymore and experience it like that.
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Everything the house programs is definitely going to be in their favour so even if someone wins from a free spin the profit they choose to give out for a particular round is already fixed, it doesn't matter who wins the house is always in profit. Don't get your hopes up when it comes to free spins it's very hard to win from it but this shouldn't stop you from trying because it's a free spin, there's no harm in trying and besides you might actually get lucky. One reason I like trying out free games is because I don't really take it as a risk
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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
Dont have the math on that and I doubt anyone here does, limited to the providers own code maybe?

The games all depend on luck and free spins are only there to tempt you to play the real thing that is by paying your own money. Using the casino's money (in free spins) makes the casino lose more just in case you hit something big. Maybe it is tailored to the RNG but maybe we are just seeing one side of the story and only speculating about the other.

In either case, slots because of the big wins on buying bonus make them an addictive game to play. I still opine that free spins are the trap for new players.
Of course, they are created so that a person has thoughts for the game. A player can stay up at night, thinking about something, but the thought that spins for real money in which there can be a real win is completely different compared to free spins. It's just that some casino employees know perfectly well how players think and try to tempt them to play. But the fact is that in their thoughts, players themselves bring themselves to this moment. Only a small share will be able to truly pass by this and not think about money.
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How did you think you would win something huge from free spins?
Just I wonder why you would have this mindset to focused your thinking about making free spins to gain something higher from it, while you and I know that almost or most of the casinos are designed to winning very less to participants and the winning radio could be 1/10 or 10/100 which is extremely poor.

It was later that I discovered that the thread is not about free spins but about the bonus spins feature that is offered in slot games. Winning big with free spins is almost impossible since casinos give out small funds. But the bonuses are attached to your bets. But I still believe that reputable casinos will make it fair. It will be better to give bettors lower bonuses than to give higher multipliers or bonuses, which are difficult to win. However, it still depends on luck. If we do a survey, you might get diverse views because we all have different experiences.

You can’t win every time. I’ve always been impressed with how easily it seems that I’m able to win free bonus spins on games. Granted I’ve never hit a big payday, but it’s exciting nonetheless. I guess you just have to have appropriate expectations and understand you’re paying for entertainment. You obvious aren’t likely to win more than you lose.

That's just the truth about gambling. You will not win all the time. Seeing gambling as paying for entertainment will help you not to consider how most of these games are programmed. But if you observe that a casino is not fair in some areas, it will be better to move to another one.
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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
Dont have the math on that and I doubt anyone here does, limited to the providers own code maybe?

The games all depend on luck and free spins are only there to tempt you to play the real thing that is by paying your own money. Using the casino's money (in free spins) makes the casino lose more just in case you hit something big. Maybe it is tailored to the RNG but maybe we are just seeing one side of the story and only speculating about the other.

In either case, slots because of the big wins on buying bonus make them an addictive game to play. I still opine that free spins are the trap for new players.
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This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.
I can not really tell the actual technical factor behind this free bonus spins because with my little experiences of when I play on the buy bonus features, it usually ends up like I am hopeless to win even when I have tried to employ my best spinning strategies in making sure I wins.

This has been concurrently and I feel fed up that even when I am given privilege of free spins I would just have that thought to just play along with zero expectations that I was going to win.
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.


Well for this I can't really tell of it because I don't involve in slots games but you said they rarely give out free games but why is your thread  subject saying a different thing entirely, probably you have been using the free bonus from the slot games but you had to discover that engaging in such free games are designed to suck. So what's your point driving to is it the inability of accessing free games or the loss of money involved in free games.Well what I'll say is you need to enjoy the game as it is, and basically not putting mind in such free games you know I know some people are always scared of loosing their hard money to gambling so this is why they take advantage of the free games and bets especially in slots games.
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I think there is a very big difference even from common sense can different them. As a gambler who played gambling and understand gambling would know that free spins in online casinos are designed to lure gamblers to play the real game and even if you win, the odd will be very small. And it is not easy to win. And that is why I don't normally used them instead I deposit funds and play my normal games and when I loss all the funds I live. No casino will design free games for some to win big and if it happens. It should be once. And the bonus buy link has been there, I have seen and I usually avoid it because the last time when I checked it was $100 and other prices to buy bonuses. And I was like how can I buy bonus.
That's the truth about the free games. Though op understand more of his experience but the free spins is more like a promotion for the casino to lure more players into using their casino instead. Most time its  just better to know that the wins in free spins isn't guaranteed. And when you make some lucky wins it still won't be worth much. It something you can do to test out your luck though. For me I just prefer not to waste my time with them. But I can use them for practice instead, since the wins are not guaranteed..
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According to what I've seen and experienced, these spins don't really give us much. I see them as a small reward for something, as the casino's intention isn’t to help us enjoy it. We can play free spins, but they rarely lead to wins; it often feels like a losing game. Honestly, we don’t gain much from this, and our chances are pretty slim. After all, no casino owner is overly generous enough to hand out big wins from free spins. That’s a whole different story when compared to using our own money here.

Sure, we can say it’s not entirely terrible, but let’s not get our hopes up too high, or we’ll just end up disappointed in the end.
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.
I can't answer for sure but this question can be answered by the online casino developers themselves but unfortunately they will not leak the main capital to seek profit to just anyone. Until now, speculation about manipulation or has been designed to make you lose more in the Slot game is the same fate as many of us who have played in various types of Slot Providers.

Therefore, I started to reduce my playing activity in slot games, either to chase bonuses or free spins. Everything is no longer profitable, fortunately soccer betting saves me from slot games because now the soccer schedule keeps me busy to bet with clearer advantages. Even if I have to play in a luck-based game, the option that I currently often use is the classic Crash game there, maybe I can gradually withdraw my winnings with a cash out setting of 1.5x or 2x, I don't really want to take risks.
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When playing a slot game with a fairly large bet amount and then successfully getting a free spin, it will make us happy because there is an opportunity to get a profit that might happen, it's just that with nothing that can be predicted, losses or disappointments cannot be avoided. I have experienced this where I played a slot game with a large bet amount and managed to get a free spin, but at the end of the free spin it did not provide a large profit, even though it never provided a small profit at all, honestly, something like this is very annoying and annoying, so that sometimes in situations like this I think emotions often peak and I think this happens to everyone who makes slot bets. Actually, that's a natural thing, when we manage to get a free spin but with annoying results it's not strange, because there is no certainty that we will win. Because if we are lucky, we can get big profits even though we are not helped by getting free spins, this happened to my own brother.
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You can’t win every time. I’ve always been impressed with how easily it seems that I’m able to win free bonus spins on games. Granted I’ve never hit a big payday, but it’s exciting nonetheless. I guess you just have to have appropriate expectations and understand you’re paying for entertainment. You obvious aren’t likely to win more than you lose.
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Normally it's paying 100x for Pragmatic's buy bonus feature, with the super bonus feature at 500x. There is this one time wherein my 10 automatic spins resulted into 5 bonus games. Guess what, I stake $0.5 per spin and the largest I got from those 5 bonus games is only $7.9. That's something really disappointing but I guess that's how RNG works.
Ouch! Shit happens.
I really wish they would erase this kind of thing. It's more frustrating when you are near depleting the balance in your wallet and then somehow the bonus round comes in. The expectation will be high because we think it will be the one to get us back on track and maybe have more money in our balance to spin more. But if that came out at those moments, it's stressful that a gambler might punch his computer monitor out of anger. Thankfully, I have not done that yet and I only went for my table.  Grin

Addition: Try playing slot providers without that feature. You will find it more amusing. I actually enjoyed them more than those with a buy bonus.
If there are good slots games with high RTP, I would perhaps give it a go. The main reason I play with Pragmatic is because they offer high RTP slots, and I sit for 2-3 hours in one session, and that 96.53% really helps in those 2-3 hours and around thousands of spins.
I have won in Pragmatic games too but I never played it for that long. I mostly get out after a 50% win. 100 becomes 150. Something like that. Their RTP is cool but they also have a losing streak that I sometimes cannot deal with. It's too stressful and when bonus time comes it's mostly not the expected amount.
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Pretty sure it's just that the ratio of freespins vs. spins you pay for is way too big? Hence why it looks like it sucks. If you try to tally it based on the number you gave out, it's 200 games per 1 free spin so assuming in those 200 games you won maybe at least 50, you'd probably need 4000? games before you can get that base 200, and out of that 200 you'd only win 50. If you won every game on a free spin you'd only need 1000, but just for the sake of it I totaled it to the base 200 games you indicated.

And no, afaik, they don't really have any difference. You'd have to see the backend side of things to really see if it actually has any.
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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
Game in the bonus round that is obtained after several normal rounds is actually an addition to these gamblers like kind of free spin bonus for new accounts in several slot games that are given to gambling site customers.
In the bonus round or free spin we will not really get decent win or multiplier because everything has been designed very well for victory can be much more likely if it is in normal round or bonus buy feature that clearly we bet money not free spins.
For each slot game will have different RNG especially for different providers also certainly each game has random algorithm that can never be the same, but we can not understand this because all the way it works only the provider knows.
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Slot games do provide greater profits and are easier for casinos. Seeing how the slot system works, it is a program that has indeed been arranged in such a way.
When the OP needs 200 spins to get the bonus, it will not be a fixed number and it also depends on how much bet is used.

Trying to play on the Domino High Island Slot with the free mode or bonuses that are given out every day, never get any jackpot.
But when buying some Chips and starting to place bigger bets, some bonus rounds and scatters can be easily obtained.

But of course, you won't always get the jackpot because the system is set up for bigger casino winnings, so players need to deposit more.
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Let's start from the fact that the casino always wins, or rather, the house always wins, that's the correct saying, and knowing this, the slots are not going to put anything for you to lose, if they can win, get small balances to excite the players, but when real money is put in is when it is more exciting, I particularly like the free spins when I get them once depositing, but when it is a bonus or some kind of promotion you have to forget about getting big rewards, I would not encourage you to get excited about the free spins, it is better to play with your own money, depositing, is when you have more option to play.

It’s almost like the algorithm is hacked to always favor the house rather than being fair or giving the gambler a fair chance to actually try his luck and that I believe is the reason why it’s really difficult for people to win big with just some few lucky spins. Slot games are meant to be strictly based on luck and chances, a game where a gamblers come to test just how lucky he is, but I’m actually feeling there’s more a gambler needs than just luck and that’s why I’m really not a big fan of slot games, I can do a few spins sometimes when I feel like it, but I’d rather prefer to wager on games I know I’ve got bigger chances of winning, like soccer games and a few others.
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Pragmatic Games is one of the hardest games that gives you free spins or big multiplier well, at least that is for me. I don't know how about the others but I rarely get big win or free spins. You need to buy Bonus to get free spin but you must be careful because doing that can make you forget to control yourself. You will tempting to chase the win by buying more and more though that will not gives you more chances to win.

You need to understand that slot is not easy to win because that games is based on luck. No matter how many spins you roll or buying Bonus but you don't have luck, you will not win even that will be difficult to reach break even. Every people will have their own way to win slot depends on their luck so it is better you enjoy the games so you don't worry with the win or the lose.
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
In my opinion, slot gambling has indeed been arranged by someone who works behind it, I have also seen a podcast video where the guest they invited was either a casino worker or a casino owner, but what is clear is that he showed how it works, he gave a big multiplier, free spins to the podcast owner who was told to try it and this guest set it up using a laptop, and it was real that several spins that were done did not result in a win, but when this guest asked the camera to focus on his laptop by giving free spins and the multiplier, the final result obtained by the podcast owner was the same amount. This proves that the slot has indeed been arranged.
In addition, with free spins which in my opinion depend on luck alone, because I have experienced where it is indeed very difficult to get free spins but there are times when I get free spins very easily with uncertain results. And of course not all gamblers are the same, I myself prefer to wait for luck to be on my side by getting free spins or big multipliers, but some of my friends don't want to bother, they always do the buy free spins feature thinking that it is faster to win.
This depends on each individual, because luck can be on our side at any time, we just have to know reasonable limits so as not to overdo it.
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