Topic: Asian Cup 2023 Prediction and Discussion - page 19. (Read 5530 times)

With little confidence and not yet complete success, watching the match against Iraq in the second half, it was clear that the players were tired of playing for 90 minutes.
However, sometimes I saw in the previous match that the Indonesian team appeared more confident and optimal in the second half by scoring a goal in the first half and they showed performance in the second half, appearing more aggressive to score another goal. .

It is true that it cannot be predicted whether the Indonesian team will play more impressively or will still lack confidence when playing on the field, but in my opinion this can be an encouragement or homework for the coach to build a strong mentality in the Indonesian players. , even though you will be competing against a great team, if you don't have high self-confidence and high mental strength, I don't think you will be able to develop and will remain the same, even though in fact the Indonesian players are already great players and are the best players, but For some reason, when he appeared on the field, his performance was not shown enough.

I believe the recent changes in the sports ministry can help this a little bit, although it is impossible to change everything to the grassroots. Basically, we need to change everyone from bottom to top if we want to see any change in the governing body so that they can stop cosplaying as actors whenever the national team is mentioned. I don't think it is happening anytime soon to be honest. The progress is quite slow, so who knows if I'm even alive to see the team playing decently on the Asian football level.

Haha, that's quite optimistic considering how I already saw one image that suggests one Vietnam player accused the Indonesian team of cheating in their last match. Whether it is true or not doesn't matter, hardcore fans will just assume that is true and will attack the player if they're given the chance. At the very least the match should be quite entertaining and will be full of cards. They have this weird kind of competition to become the most aggressive team on the pitch, while their fans are attacking each other on social media.

Are you sure the second half is better? I didn't watch the full match but some pundits criticized the players for being slow and not pressing that well in the second half. Basically, they have stamina issues to play the full 90 minutes.

From the past until now, the development of Indonesian football has never developed well and the developments that have been felt only in the last two years are not very significant, how can national team develop if the football federation there does not provide full support.
Several Indonesian players also stated that the salary they receive for the Indonesian national team is really not much, even the salary for playing with the club they follow is far from perfect, and of course from this it can be concluded that they are not fully supported.
I really admire how persistent all the Indonesian players are, but unfortunately they have to be shackled and the potential they have has to be stagnant and not develop.

You are right, Indonesia has large football market and the majority of Indonesians are all football fans.
It just that this doesn't inspire the Indonesian football federation to make real changes.

Because I was too optimistic that I would win and I also hoped that Indonesia could beat Iraq, but in fact it was inversely proportional to my expectations. It is true that Iraq played quite well and was able to control the ball well on the field and in my opinion the Indonesian players still lack confidence in playing or cannot match the way the Iraqi players play. I also do not know.

Yes, hopefully with this defeat the Indonesian players who will compete in tomorrow's match can play better and have stronger confidence. They did not give up easily and were able to prove that the Indonesian team was able to survive with good performance. Sometimes I also saw that in the first half Indonesia played with a little less confidence, but in the second half they started to build their confidence by playing optimally.

I am so sad with many controversial happening in AFC Asian Cup 2023 Qatar, from offside goals position when Indonesia facing Iraq until last controversial match China vs Tajikistan have brutal fault but referee not giving any card yet. I have questionable with VAR condition are working well there how many cases of controversial but VAR not try to check it exactly with how transparent offside goals for Iraq against Indonesia.

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I hope second match Indonesia vs Vietnam there are not any controversial anymore, referee have working well and need check VAR when have any problem with goals offside or brutal fault, its not be tolerant after one of media publishing about AFC Asian Cup 2023 most give benefit and advantage for national teams from host team and Arab countries

Even though they lost due to the many shortcomings of the Indonesian team against Iraq at that time, I was happy because Indonesia played with players with an average age of 20 and 21 years.
These players will become future players because the experience of playing at the top level at the Asian Cup level is an extraordinary experience amidst efforts to improve quality.
Easily panicking and not being confident were Indonesia's weaknesses in the first match of Group D.
The experience against Iraq will be a good asset to face Vietnam tomorrow.

I also watched the India vs Uzbekistan match earlier. India was not given any chance at all by the Uzbekistan players to score a goal. The first goal occurred in the 4th minute, I think the final score was not 0-3 but 0-5.

Today we have two games which play between Group B teams, first game was Syria vs Australia which won by Australia by 0–1 as Syria play defensive game which not allowed Australia to have anything positive with their aggression was also controlled by Syrian full backs but still Australia able to score one goal which was enough for giving them 2nd win in this event and now have chance for the staying at the top.

In second game of the day which play between India vs Uzbekistan we have very impressive start from the Uzbeks as they score two early goals and stay in good control in all first half with third goal scored by Nasrullaev in injury time before half-time but in second half we have improved Indian team which give tough time to opponents and not allowed to score more goals which is impressive from them even they have second defeat, but things are looking positive for them as they were able to do something better.

Indonesia's defeat against Iraq is understandable. Although I hope Indonesia wins this match. But I still have to admit that the Indonesian squad's ball control and composure in dribbling are still inferior to Iraq's. Actually, their Indonesian squad could have played better if they had been more confident in this match. But as we can see, the Indonesian players still don't seem to have strong self-confidence. In fact, they still often make mistakes in passing or their passing accuracy is a little worse than usual. But I'm sure in tomorrow's match against Vietnam everything will be different. Because I know the habit of Indonesian players is to be nervous in their first match but then start to feel confident in the next matches.

Currently I am watching the India vs Uzbekistan match. And the score was 0-2 for Uzbekistan to win. Even India here was not given many opportunities to retaliate.

Their mentality is still in the AFF and Sea Games events, it is very difficult to play in big events like the Asian Cup which is currently taking place, of course you have to build the mentality of the Indonesian players to host Iraq, which is not an easy thing because it is very clear from the quality of the game in this match that Indonesia's ball control is also it was very difficult to control the ball for longer, they always lost the ball quickly, that's why the match seemed unbalanced, Iraq was very clever in finding the weak point in Indonesia's defense on the right side which was usually filled by Asnawi who was always strong, but when it was filled by another player, Iraq actually attacked always pierces Indonesia's defense from Indonesia's right side and that is Indonesia's weak point...

It's not the players who are bad, but the competition in this country which doesn't develop seriously. It is not clear where clubs in this country want to be directed, whether to become companies that are independent of the government, or remain as representatives of the government. Because, some of them still need funds from the provincial government for their operations. Maybe if it was designated as a club development as company it would be better. From there, maybe we will see improvements in the Indonesian league, which can build a better national team with our local players even without naturalization. Currently, I myself don't see any targets for Indonesia, just play as well as possible so Indonesia not to lose in all Group D matches. Home without a single win maybe affected to their mentality.

Yes, as I said before, offside or not, it has happened and Indonesia must accept this defeat gracefully, I know there is still a lot of time to improve it, especially with many naturalized players who have just joined and they need a long time to adapt so that passing and control The ball can be played very well between players on the field, but we have to realize that just seeing Indonesia enter the Asian Cup is enough for Indonesians to be proud of.

Winning or not, whether they qualify or not, it all comes back to the way they play, after all, this group is very difficult for Indonesia to break through, Iraq and Japan are not opponents that match them except Vietnam because they often meet in other Asian competitions, I think against Vietnam they must be able to win, although perhaps in reality Vietnam is quite a difficult opponent for Indonesia and is always surprising, especially since the tension in the game against Vietnam is always high.

I hope this Asian Cup can make Indonesia learn a lot more and increase their experience too, at least they have played optimally and they must remember that to become the greatest it takes time to prove it.

The process to achieve success for the Indonesian team is ongoing and will take a long time. There are many reasons why Indonesian football is still at the bottom and I don't think Indonesian football is bad because every player wants to be the best and wants to give their best even though there are many challenges they have to go through.
Regarding supporters and discipline, I agree with you. The biggest obstacle to Indonesian football lies in discipline and the lack of proper facilities.

The effect of these naturalized players is good in improving the quality of the Indonesian football game. Because of the naturalization of players, local players can become optimistic about showing their talent and discipline in order to become the coach's choice.

Then the effect of the current management of Indonesian football also makes me optimistic that Indonesian football will be good in a period of time that I cannot say when it will happen.
The talent of Indonesian football players is recognized by many world talent scouts.

Yeah, Indonesia soccer have great potential but never works as they needed for the development of this game into their country which is the worst thing happen they need to work on fix issues which are related to their federation because if they are not going to fix these then surely they never expect anything positive then needed to have good and power system which bring good number of players which is possible in case if they will have good and positive changes which are needed recently there were many issues which create mockery for them but no one care about this all.

Indonesia is one of the biggest market for soccer, but sadly they were never able to have anything positive from this which create problems and now mostly peoples following other leagues which are not helpful they can solve their finances as well but for this all they need to work on strong structure and system which bring investors and sponsors for them which will help to develop game on better level.

All teams in the group A will playing today and according to the schedules the host Qatar will playing against Tajikistan and China vs Lebanon

Qatar vs Tajikistan

Qatar was in the good shape because in the first match they can able to beat Lebanon with scores 3-0 so i am sure they are in the high of motivation want to resumes their winning streak and if Qatar can beat Tajikistan today then their step will be more easy to qualified to the next round but Tajikistan also cannot be underestimate because they were successfully to stole 1 point from China which is one of favourite team in group A and Tajikistan latest performance also very impressive because from 7 latest matches Tajikistan only lost once so it's not easy to beat this team and my prediction is Tajikistan will playing more defensive and they will attempt not to lose so there is possibility this match result will ended to draw

China vs Lebanon

Both teams was not in the good shape because they only gets 1 win from 5 latest matches and i haven't checked the odds for them but i will assume China is the favourite and Lebanon as underdog team and the draw result from Tajikistan is not really satisfied for China because now they have to hard struggling if want to qualified to the next round even so with Lebanon the loses from Qatar makes them in the difficult situation and if Lebanon lost again then obviously they will not be qualified and about the outcomes of this match i feel like China has good chance to be the winner of this match

I think everyone including officials and players can accept this defeat well and there should be no disappointment because after all it was predicted and the words of the Indonesian coach who said the Indonesian national team was not as weak as imagined were just to maintain motivation because Indonesia has a chance to get points when facing Vietnam later, the target of getting to the round of 16 seems too excessive in my opinion and in fact it will only increase the burden on players who feel targeted to be able to progress further.
On Friday, Indonesia will face Vietnam, and this must be maximized by getting 3 points so that Indonesia does not become the bottom team in group D, and even though Indonesia is still not the favorite in this match because they have competed so often, the Indonesian coach should have the right strategy to be able to deliver this squad achieved its first victory in the Asian Cup and to prove his words that Indonesia is not as weak as imagined and hopefully that will be proven in this match, and betting on Indonesia on the money line is quite tempting with odds @ 4.33 and will change but will not be much different.

At this time, as an Indonesian citizen, I admit that Indonesia cannot hold the ball much. There seems to be a sense of insecurity to hold the ball longer. There are only a few players. But looking at the condition of these players with their age, they have a longer future because the average Indonesian player is still very young. Then regarding calmness, there were indeed many moments I saw it took at least 2 players to stop the Iraqi players. In addition, the anticipation of an overly hasty and frantic attack made Iraq easier to get through. But so far I feel happy with the development of Indonesian players carried out by STY.

I had two opinions as to why the referee didn't consider it offside.
1. The ball passed by Rashid to Ali kadin was seen hitting Rashid's leg but it seems that the referee saw that Rashid did not touch the ball and the ball fell to the ground.
2. The ball headed by the Chamber of Commerce and Industry can be brushed off and Indonesian players to have the ball and they made mistakes because they failed to throw the ball away. Then the Iraqi player can reclaim the ball.

Well, after waiting for news of the final result of the Thailand vs Kyrgyzstan match, I can finally sleep soundly because I just have to wait for the match to close my multibet win which has been going on since yesterday. I am happy that Korea managed to prove that they are one of the top countries in Asia who also managed to win their match against Bahrain and for Indonesia it seems that their level is still very far from Iraq and this was proven by the defeat by a difference of 2 goals.

I was not surprised by Indonesia's defeat and I thought that for the initial match usually a weak team like Indonesia would be very determined to at least hold Iraq to a draw. But in fact that didn't happen and they lost quite badly to Iraq. The handicap bet for Indonesia's advantage also had to be paid off with a half loss which reduced my odds. But apart from that, I am happy with this bet and even though the results are quite satisfying, I think this is better than making a wrong prediction in the whole bet.

Indonesian football cannot develop well and Indonesian football has never created truly proud history so far, maybe Indonesia has tried very hard but the Indonesian football federation itself is an obstacle.
Just look at how many cases related to Indonesian football are caused by insiders and of course this will greatly influence the development and quality of the game for the better.
Starting from teams competing in the lower leagues to the Indonesian national team itself, they always experience various pressures that hinder them from achieving success in creating new history.
There are many Indonesian football fans who prefer to follow or enjoy European football. From this it can be concluded that Indonesian people are indeed dissatisfied with the development of football there.
I know that PSSI always gives the best, but behind the scenes PSSI also really limits the growth of the Indonesian national team with several cases related to finances.

Looking at this match, it is natural that Indonesia lost. There were also some moments when the referee's decision I didn't like. Like before the second goal of Iraq happened. If you look at the pattern of play and possession of the ball, Indonesia is still very far from Iraq. Not many Indonesian players can hold the ball longer. It seems that Indonesian players are also aware of that and often do 1 touch. But I am happy that the progress of these young players is quite good. They still have long term progress. In addition, I like Indonesia's number 24, he is a player who can organize attacks. He can hold the ball the most and the longest.

The Indonesian national team is in the process of improving its quality and this may not be possible in just 10 years. The reason is that the league in Indonesia lacks discipline, both from coaches, players and supporters. So the naturalization of players is the key, why Indonesia can go to the Asian Cup. It is clear that naturalized players are players who have had careers in leagues that have better facilities and discipline. Indonesia has talent, but it is not optimal because the facilities and league do not support the growth of player skills. Luckily, Erick Thohir became chairman of PSSI, perhaps if not him Shin Tae-Yong would have been fired, with a reason he couldn't give a title for Indonesia. I just thought, if Shin Tae-Yong doesn't renew his contract, can PSSI bring in a better coach than him? Because his efforts were so real, big matches could be held in Indonesia, thanks to him and Erick Thohir.