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Quote from: Bitinity on October 01, 2022, 10:30:21 PM

Should we be worrying that we will not able to see Indonesia National team in any Asian Competition as well as World competition because it seems that there is a big chance for PSSI to get banned by FIFA due to the tragedy that happened yesterday in one of our local competition match where more than 125 supporters dead after the match? It is sad to see this fact and it may affect the whole local competition as well as affect the National Team.

One year later Indonesia become host for World Cup U20 and I don't see have chance what happen with Indonesian national team if got suspend from FIFA, have been several years preparing but at the end bad tragedy last night make all Indonesia worry will they get second chance for FIFA or banned active in FIFA member again. "I am sorry heard about 125 Arema Malang fans was pass away" hope they can get good place and their family left could accepted what happen with their children or their husband.

Hope this tragedy become the end in Indonesian League because most victim in this era I think and fans need to accept what ever score match for their team, between loss, draw or win.

No doubt a big tragedy for a hundred of families which lost their beloveds in this way as I read on different media channels and sites mostly blaming Indonesian Football Association for this all because they have done nothing for preventing things like these so with this most chances they can face some penalty from FIFA as well because this is surely one of the worst tragedies in soccer history.

They already ended a ban and now going to face something more which is surely not good sign for them with they were going to host FIFA U20 World Cup as well now many teams will be show their concerns about this as well Government officials already announces compensation for the families and also looking for things which happen, and now it's time for them to do some hard sanctions which prevent tragedies like these in future as well.

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Quote from: Bitinity on October 01, 2022, 10:30:21 PM

Should we be worrying that we will not able to see Indonesia National team in any Asian Competition as well as World competition because it seems that there is a big chance for PSSI to get banned by FIFA due to the tragedy that happened yesterday in one of our local competition match where more than 125 supporters dead after the match? It is sad to see this fact and it may affect the whole local competition as well as affect the National Team.

One year later Indonesia become host for World Cup U20 and I don't see have chance what happen with Indonesian national team if got suspend from FIFA, have been several years preparing but at the end bad tragedy last night make all Indonesia worry will they get second chance for FIFA or banned active in FIFA member again. "I am sorry heard about 125 Arema Malang fans was pass away" hope they can get good place and their family left could accepted what happen with their children or their husband.

Hope this tragedy become the end in Indonesian League because most victim in this era I think and fans need to accept what ever score match for their team, between loss, draw or win.

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Quote from: Bitinity on October 01, 2022, 10:30:21 PM

Should we be worrying that we will not able to see Indonesia National team in any Asian Competition as well as World competition because it seems that there is a big chance for PSSI to get banned by FIFA due to the tragedy that happened yesterday in one of our local competition match where more than 125 supporters dead after the match? It is sad to see this fact and it may affect the whole local competition as well as affect the National Team.

I don't know what to say about the tragedy, for sure if FIFA gives heavy sanctions it will be very detrimental to us.
ah it really makes me disappointed, in your opinion, who should be responsible for this incident ? local officials who fired tear gas, or our fans who did not comply with existing regulations, so that unwanted incidents occurred.

it is clear that our country's reputation will be increasingly tarnished from the point of view of football, how PSSI neglects to apply rules and regulations so that the clubs and supporters do not have high discipline.
until finally the incident for the umpteenth time repeats itself, but this tragedy seems to be a bigger one.

I hope that FIFA does not sanction the national team that will compete later in the 2023 Asian Cup.

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Quote from: masulum on September 30, 2022, 09:54:25 AM

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Should we be worrying that we will not able to see Indonesia National team in any Asian Competition as well as World competition because it seems that there is a big chance for PSSI to get banned by FIFA due to the tragedy that happened yesterday in one of our local competition match where more than 125 supporters dead after the match? It is sad to see this fact and it may affect the whole local competition as well as affect the National Team.

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Quote from: masulum on September 30, 2022, 09:54:25 AM

I'm sure Shin Tae-Yong will not think about the semifinal round in the upcoming Asian Cup match. He will probably focus on building the mentality of players when they are playing in a big and prestigious competition like the Asian Cup. Qualifying from the group phase is the coach's main target, then the coach will receive the finish results in any round for Indonesia. However, this is already a good achievement from STY, because Indonesia can participate in this Asian Cup competition again .

Well that's true, and we agree with that.

but some local media reported, Shin Tae-yong is targeting two wins and one draw.
Of course he hopes to qualify from the group stage. but unfortunately the match schedule has not been set, so we do not know who will be the opponent of the Indonesian squad later. and almost all of the contestants who will compete in the 2023 asia cup are very tough opponents, this is not an easy job for the young garuda squad and Shin Tae-yong.

it is very likely that Indonesia will have a very difficult time qualifying from the group stage whoever the opponent is, I'm sure STY has thought of things like that.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 30, 2022, 06:02:52 AM

Japan for example has a population of greater than120 million, and still can't compete against smaller UEFA or CONMEBOL teams. Australia moved to AFC in the recent past, and they have performed decently till now. But despite their large population, Japan and South Korea have failed to become competitive at international level. Anyway, I congratulate them for sticking with the native players. Many of the UEFA nations are now very dependent on players of immigrant origin, which steals talent from poorer CAF and CONMEBOL nations.

Here UEFA stealing players from CAF and CONMEBOL we have two strong factors first better life and secondly money factor which are surely attractive for every person and right now as things are going in Africa and CONMEBOL I believe it's not bad decision from them with they are doing good performance for UEFA countries in clubs, and they are fighting for their place into national team which is not easy thing.

In Asia, it's not easy to be having good results in this game as most of the countries are adopting this late and many are still having not required infrastructure which is important for the development of the game with finances is also big issue because now soccer is full time job in many countries, and it needs good amount for having good results which is not easy with situation is never been attractive in many countries and corruption is also one of the big factor.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 29, 2022, 02:23:20 AM

well, for the 2023 asia cup competition. true, this is a tough challenge for Shin Tae-yong and also the Indonesian national team itself, how they should focus more on mental, physical and high discipline.
However, whoever Indonesia will face later, it will be a tough match they will face in the Asian Cup competition.

I'm sure Shin Tae-Yong will not think about the semifinal round in the upcoming Asian Cup match. He will probably focus on building the mentality of players when they are playing in a big and prestigious competition like the Asian Cup. Qualifying from the group phase is the coach's main target, then the coach will receive the finish results in any round for Indonesia. However, this is already a good achievement from STY, because Indonesia can participate in this Asian Cup competition again .

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Quote from: jaberwock on September 28, 2022, 04:19:39 AM

They have money, so they are spending it's okay for them, but no doubt still a big issue in quality from both countries as they are not doing which was expected even just one or two players are in UEFA from these countries are having better name which is surely a matter of concern because Australia and Africa are much ahead in this case as too many players which are having big impact on this all region with their quality and skills.

Recently we check some good changes happening in Asia even it's not as we need right now because mostly countries are facing lack of funds which is surely big trouble, but hopefully they will be on road for success, and we will be good in this game because currently this is surely needed of time to improve quality and bring better skilled players in limelight for having good entertaining competition.

Japan for example has a population of greater than 120 million, and still can't compete against smaller UEFA or CONMEBOL teams. Australia moved to AFC in the recent past, and they have performed decently till now. But despite their large population, Japan and South Korea have failed to become competitive at international level. Anyway, I congratulate them for sticking with the native players. Many of the UEFA nations are now very dependent on players of immigrant origin, which steals talent from poorer CAF and CONMEBOL nations.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 29, 2022, 02:23:20 AM

Quote from: aylabadia05 on September 28, 2022, 10:34:11 AM

Usually in a tournament, the team that is not in the favorite often makes a surprise.
Against Curacao in a FIFA friendly, Indonesia performed well. The Indonesian team has undergone many changes, such as teamwork to the style of play that has also begun to be interesting to watch.

I have to admit, in the friendly against Curacao, it was surprising, even though it was a friendly.
Indonesia is able to keep up with Curacao's game, although in terms of skill, posture, ranking, they are superior to Indonesia.

However, what I have to give high appreciation for is the presence of coach "Shin Tae-Yong" he was able to bring the red and white squad to look very different, he dared to change the style of Indonesian football, including using a 3-4-3 formation.

Yes, Shin Tae-yong really brought changes to the game pattern of the Garuda team, namely Indonesia. I even saw a very classy goal by Indonesia against Curacao. Indonesian game patterns become more classy. it can be seen from the pattern of passes between players who often make short passes with a triangular pattern that makes Curacao players get emotional. I enjoyed the match.
But what the Indonesian team needs is physical fitness. because as we know Indonesia sometimes always loses when it comes to physical endurance. and the second is mental resilience. but for mental resilience I see the Indonesian team is much better now.

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Quote from: aylabadia05 on September 28, 2022, 10:34:11 AM

Usually in a tournament, the team that is not in the favorite often makes a surprise.
Against Curacao in a FIFA friendly, Indonesia performed well. The Indonesian team has undergone many changes, such as teamwork to the style of play that has also begun to be interesting to watch.

I have to admit, in the friendly against Curacao, it was surprising, even though it was a friendly.
Indonesia is able to keep up with Curacao's game, although in terms of skill, posture, ranking, they are superior to Indonesia.

However, what I have to give high appreciation for is the presence of coach "Shin Tae-Yong" he was able to bring the red and white squad to look very different, he dared to change the style of Indonesian football, including using a 3-4-3 formation.

Quote from: aylabadia05 on September 28, 2022, 10:34:11 AM

Facing the top teams in the Asian Cup later, will be a serious challenge for Shin Tae-yong. This former South Korean coach must focus on the physicality of every Indonesian player because that is where the weakness I see is.

well, for the 2023 asia cup competition. true, this is a tough challenge for Shin Tae-yong and also the Indonesian national team itself, how they should focus more on mental, physical and high discipline.
However, whoever Indonesia will face later, it will be a tough match they will face in the Asian Cup competition.

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Quote from: Bitinity on September 27, 2022, 10:21:50 PM

The last 2 friendly matches of Indonesian National team against Curacao gives me a hope that Indonesia can do something in the Asian Cup. Hopefully they will be more improved in the remaining time before the event start, improved both in teamwork as well as in individual quality. As a non favorite team, Indonesia should be able to play "nothing to lose". Wish the best for my own country National Team.

Usually in a tournament, the team that is not in the favorite often makes a surprise.
Against Curacao in a FIFA friendly, Indonesia performed well. The Indonesian team has undergone many changes, such as teamwork to the style of play that has also begun to be interesting to watch.

Facing the top teams in the Asian Cup later, will be a serious challenge for Shin Tae-yong. This former South Korean coach must focus on the physicality of every Indonesian player because that is where the weakness I see is.

Currently, in Asia we have two nations which are heavily investing for bringing good results and development: India and Indonesia which is good sign because both are well populated countries, and they can bring good changes with this investment club's and structure can give them good future in long run specially India is with their current image of Incredible India doing amazing job even it's not easy for these both countries because of conditions and with India is surely cricketing crazy country, but now it's time for having positive development beyond this all.

2026 is also big chance for these countries to have their chances in top 48 countries and bring more fans base which is surely a guaranteed for good investments and more development in this game right now main problem is bringing this game from grass root which will give better results because players from school level could be more skilled and have better chance for performing at the top level.

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Quote from: Bitinity on September 27, 2022, 10:21:50 PM

The last 2 friendly matches of Indonesian National team against Curacao gives me a hope that Indonesia can do something in the Asian Cup. Hopefully they will be more improved in the remaining time before the event start, improved both in teamwork as well as in individual quality. As a non favorite team, Indonesia should be able to play "nothing to lose". Wish the best for my own country National Team.

Usually in a tournament, the team that is not in the favorite often makes a surprise.
Against Curacao in a FIFA friendly, Indonesia performed well. The Indonesian team has undergone many changes, such as teamwork to the style of play that has also begun to be interesting to watch.

Facing the top teams in the Asian Cup later, will be a serious challenge for Shin Tae-yong. This former South Korean coach must focus on the physicality of every Indonesian player because that is where the weakness I see is.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on September 25, 2022, 09:00:15 AM

Japan is undoubtedly one of the best teams, and not only that, but in the World Cup I know they will do a good job, for now I think that the Asian teams have a great option, I don't know how the current Japanese team will be playing, but I only remember when Nakata was one of the most iconic players in Japan.

For now I have a lot of faith in this team, I don't know if you remember the 2002 World Cup they said that the team at that time had players in training who had seen the anime of super champions, so it was funny because many were waiting for plays from the series, but at that time the advertisements by Nike were very good, so the Japanese had many things to offer, now I imagine they have improved.

Do you mean Hidetoshi Nakata, if so. he had the status of the best Asian footballer in 1997, Nakata had played in the Serie A league, besides that there was Nakamura, Honda, actually there were many shining Japanese players.
Currently, several Japanese players are playing in several European clubs, Kyogo Furuhashi, Takumi Minamino, Daizen Maeda, and many others.
Although they don't play in very big clubs, but with experience playing in the European League, at least Japan has a big chance to win the 2023 Asian Cup.

If I'm not mistaken the 2002 World Cup, Japan - South Korea as the host.
But what made an impression on my memory at the world cup at that time was the South Korean player, Park Ji-sung, he played at Man United and Anh Jun-hwan who played in Serie A. they were able to take their squad to the semi-finals, although decorated with several controversy.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 27, 2022, 08:59:21 PM

A lot of money has been spent on Japanese football over the years, but I am not seeing much improvement in terms of quality. Once in a while a player will get selected for an EPL team, and there will be a lot of hype being created. The same can be said about South Korea as well. I believe that if the same amount of funds and attention is spent on some of the other Asian teams, then there will be better returns. I am talking about some of the Central Asian teams (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan.etc) and those in South-East Asia (Thailand, Vietnam.etc).

They have money, so they are spending it's okay for them, but no doubt still a big issue in quality from both countries as they are not doing which was expected even just one or two players are in UEFA from these countries are having better name which is surely a matter of concern because Australia and Africa are much ahead in this case as too many players which are having big impact on this all region with their quality and skills.

Recently we check some good changes happening in Asia even it's not as we need right now because mostly countries are facing lack of funds which is surely big trouble, but hopefully they will be on road for success, and we will be good in this game because currently this is surely needed of time to improve quality and bring better skilled players in limelight for having good entertaining competition.

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The last 2 friendly matches of Indonesian National team against Curacao gives me a hope that Indonesia can do something in the Asian Cup. Hopefully they will be more improved in the remaining time before the event start, improved both in teamwork as well as in individual quality. As a non favorite team, Indonesia should be able to play "nothing to lose". Wish the best for my own country National Team.

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Quote from: barbara44 on September 27, 2022, 10:09:14 AM

Now as few Asian local leagues are improving quality and structure good thing happening they are having good foreign players those are giving good performance and with this their native players are also learning things which is good but as you are saying Japan League is dominating by Brazilian players, so it's not happening here it's also in UEFA as well many leagues are dominating by foreigners which is not stoppable but good thing as with this tough challenge for native players which is surely bringing them in streamline, and they are doing hard work like in Japan many native players are also doing good and in recent years their teams is also having good spot and quality for World Competitions but this all need good funds which is not possible for many Asian leagues as they are not strong like Japan and UEFA.

A lot of money has been spent on Japanese football over the years, but I am not seeing much improvement in terms of quality. Once in a while a player will get selected for an EPL team, and there will be a lot of hype being created. The same can be said about South Korea as well. I believe that if the same amount of funds and attention is spent on some of the other Asian teams, then there will be better returns. I am talking about some of the Central Asian teams (Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan.etc) and those in South-East Asia (Thailand, Vietnam.etc).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 26, 2022, 11:36:17 PM

Bringing quality players from foreign nations have a benefit, but up to a certain limit. The quality of local players can improve and they can learn new skills if they play along with these guys. But from what I have seen, many of the leagues in East Asia (especially in Japan and South Korea) have become dominated by foreign players. Talented native youngsters often struggle to get a spot in the playing XI. For example, for this season out of the 10 top goal scorers in the J1 League, 6 are Brazilians and only 4 are Japanese.

Now as few Asian local leagues are improving quality and structure good thing happening they are having good foreign players those are giving good performance and with this their native players are also learning things which is good but as you are saying Japan League is dominating by Brazilian players, so it's not happening here it's also in UEFA as well many leagues are dominating by foreigners which is not stoppable but good thing as with this tough challenge for native players which is surely bringing them in streamline, and they are doing hard work like in Japan many native players are also doing good and in recent years their teams is also having good spot and quality for World Competitions but this all need good funds which is not possible for many Asian leagues as they are not strong like Japan and UEFA.

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CAF teams are always at a disadvantage, because many of their top players migrate to UEFA nations. AFC doesn't have any such disadvantage. The only reason why the AFC teams are not performing is because of lack of quality in domestic leagues. The best AFC players opt to participate in European leagues such as EPL, rather than playing at home. Two decades back Japan even tried the idea of importing a few players from Brazil and giving them the local citizenship. They thought that it will improve the quality of the local game. But didn't worked out that well.

Improving quality is long term project which need patience and investment even Japan and few more Asian countries now can afford this but still they are not doing things like this even India is currently stable and with the advantage of big market they can go ahead with this project which can give them good success, and they could be good in quality but cricket crazy nation is having nothing special for this all and fa behind I check their rating is almost nearly 90 which is surely matter of shame.

Bringing foreign players is surely never been good idea they need to go ahead with grass root specially good competitions in school level which can bring good prospect and quality players which will help them for increasing quality and better system still I am hopeful about few countries in Asia they can do better, and we can improve our quality but as already mentioned it's long term job.

Bringing quality players from foreign nations have a benefit, but up to a certain limit. The quality of local players can improve and they can learn new skills if they play along with these guys. But from what I have seen, many of the leagues in East Asia (especially in Japan and South Korea) have become dominated by foreign players. Talented native youngsters often struggle to get a spot in the playing XI. For example, for this season out of the 10 top goal scorers in the J1 League, 6 are Brazilians and only 4 are Japanese.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 08, 2022, 11:07:42 AM

Japan is the record holder of winning the Asian Cup four times, and in this tournament Japan is still one of the strongest candidates to win the Asian Cup. Regardless of what you said and I don't think it's an indicator of why Japan can win the Asian Cup four times, Japanese football is more advanced than other Asian football, especially Southeast Asia.

However, in recent years, the development of football in several Asian countries has experienced a lot of improvement so that the Asian Cup this time is more competitive. IMO, some of the candidates who will win the Asian Cup 2023, Japan, Australia, Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they have the potential to appear in the final of the Asian Cup 2023.
But I personally have more attention for the current Qatar squad, Qatar is a cup finalist asia 2019, and it looks like qatar will again win the asia cup 2023.

Japan is undoubtedly one of the best teams, and not only that, but in the World Cup I know they will do a good job, for now I think that the Asian teams have a great option, I don't know how the current Japanese team will be playing, but I only remember when Nakata was one of the most iconic players in Japan.

For now I have a lot of faith in this team, I don't know if you remember the 2002 World Cup they said that the team at that time had players in training who had seen the anime of super champions, so it was funny because many were waiting for plays from the series, but at that time the advertisements by Nike were very good, so the Japanese had many things to offer, now I imagine they have improved.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 22, 2022, 09:01:27 PM

CAF teams are always at a disadvantage, because many of their top players migrate to UEFA nations. AFC doesn't have any such disadvantage. The only reason why the AFC teams are not performing is because of lack of quality in domestic leagues. The best AFC players opt to participate in European leagues such as EPL, rather than playing at home. Two decades back Japan even tried the idea of importing a few players from Brazil and giving them the local citizenship. They thought that it will improve the quality of the local game. But didn't worked out that well.

Improving quality is long term project which need patience and investment even Japan and few more Asian countries now can afford this but still they are not doing things like this even India is currently stable and with the advantage of big market they can go ahead with this project which can give them good success, and they could be good in quality but cricket crazy nation is having nothing special for this all and fa behind I check their rating is almost nearly 90 which is surely matter of shame.

Bringing foreign players is surely never been good idea they need to go ahead with grass root specially good competitions in school level which can bring good prospect and quality players which will help them for increasing quality and better system still I am hopeful about few countries in Asia they can do better, and we can improve our quality but as already mentioned it's long term job.

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