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Quote from: jostorres on September 22, 2022, 01:30:51 PM

Right now Asian soccer is far behind in case of quality even we are not able to compete with few African countries as their quality is already developing with their many players are in UEFA which is clearly signaling they could be well in coming years in game quality and structure is also in good developing shape but sadly nothing positive happening in Asia because of many conflicts and personal issues no one able to do things which help them for having good structure and quality.

Mostly these two countries are going into world cup with sometime we have Iran or Saudi Arab because these are able to spend good amount for their teams, but many countries are not having good structure and leagues which help them for improving quality and competition in this region.

CAF teams are always at a disadvantage, because many of their top players migrate to UEFA nations. AFC doesn't have any such disadvantage. The only reason why the AFC teams are not performing is because of lack of quality in domestic leagues. The best AFC players opt to participate in European leagues such as EPL, rather than playing at home. Two decades back Japan even tried the idea of importing a few players from Brazil and giving them the local citizenship. They thought that it will improve the quality of the local game. But didn't worked out that well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 21, 2022, 09:40:25 PM

These two teams - Japan and South Korea, are overhyped IMO. I have been following them for many years and they have constantly underperformed at the top level (especially against CONMEBOL and UEFA teams). Once in a blue moon, we get some upset results (such as the win by South Korea against Germany during the world cup of 2018). But these teams are unable to perform consistently. As someone pointed out in the world cup thread, the main issue is the lack of quality and competition in the domestic leagues in these two countries.

Right now Asian soccer is far behind in case of quality even we are not able to compete with few African countries as their quality is already developing with their many players are in UEFA which is clearly signaling they could be well in coming years in game quality and structure is also in good developing shape but sadly nothing positive happening in Asia because of many conflicts and personal issues no one able to do things which help them for having good structure and quality.

Mostly these two countries are going into world cup with sometime we have Iran or Saudi Arab because these are able to spend good amount for their teams, but many countries are not having good structure and leagues which help them for improving quality and competition in this region.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 21, 2022, 06:41:55 AM

I personally chose Japan in this poll. however, over time. it looks like Qatar has a greater chance of defending the 2023 Asian Cup title, this is interesting because later in the Asian Cup several countries have the opportunity to become the new champions. not only Japan will dominate, big changes in football are quite visible from several countries in Asia.

speaking of Indonesia, I must admit that the Indonesian squad is still below the level of the top AFC countries, but since coaching has been under the care of Shin Tae-Yong. the indonesian squad looked different to the younger players, they had tremendous confidence. however, whoever will be his opponent in the group stage. it looks like Indonesia will be difficult to advance to the next round phase.

These two teams - Japan and South Korea, are overhyped IMO. I have been following them for many years and they have constantly underperformed at the top level (especially against CONMEBOL and UEFA teams). Once in a blue moon, we get some upset results (such as the win by South Korea against Germany during the world cup of 2018). But these teams are unable to perform consistently. As someone pointed out in the world cup thread, the main issue is the lack of quality and competition in the domestic leagues in these two countries.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 20, 2022, 09:06:20 PM

Just checked the poll results, and was surprised to see Indonesia with the most votes. I am not against Indonesia, but from what I have seen so far, I don't think that they are at the same level as the other top AFC nations such as Japan, South Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia. But still I need to agree on one thing. Indonesia has made a lot of progress during the past years. They are appearing for the first time since 2007, and in the previous editions never managed to get past the group stage. Schedule is not yet available and it needs to be seen who will be their opponents in the group phase.

This poll is just hype by Indonesian community here on this forum as we all know they are nothing in this Asian Cup as they are not well settled team or having any chance to win this event we have much better and quality teams which are giving their best and have higher chances for winning this event but sadly until now we have no announcement from AFC about this as 17 October is the new deadline for submitting application but as things are going right now most chances Korea and Australia could be hot favorite for hosting this event but still last decision is coming after this announcement and then things could be clear about this all.

Indonesia is currently doing good job but still it's not easy as they are having to face few giants from Asia which are already having enough quality and well-developed in this game after adopting system and structure few years back.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 20, 2022, 09:06:20 PM

Just checked the poll results, and was surprised to see Indonesia with the most votes. I am not against Indonesia, but from what I have seen so far, I don't think that they are at the same level as the other top AFC nations such as Japan, South Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia. But still I need to agree on one thing. Indonesia has made a lot of progress during the past years. They are appearing for the first time since 2007, and in the previous editions never managed to get past the group stage. Schedule is not yet available and it needs to be seen who will be their opponents in the group phase.

I personally chose Japan in this poll. however, over time. it looks like Qatar has a greater chance of defending the 2023 Asian Cup title, this is interesting because later in the Asian Cup several countries have the opportunity to become the new champions. not only Japan will dominate, big changes in football are quite visible from several countries in Asia.

speaking of Indonesia, I must admit that the Indonesian squad is still below the level of the top AFC countries, but since coaching has been under the care of Shin Tae-Yong. the indonesian squad looked different to the younger players, they had tremendous confidence. however, whoever will be his opponent in the group stage. it looks like Indonesia will be difficult to advance to the next round phase.

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If you refer to the history of the Asian Cup, the Indonesian national team is not regular in this championship and they have only participated in the Asian Cup four times, namely 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2007.
However, on these three occasions, it is known that the Indonesian national team has never passed the group stage of the Asian Cup. In 1996, 2000 and 2004 Indonesia was always in the last or lowest position and 2007 was in the third position.
and Shin Tae-yong's ingenuity was able to bring the Indonesian national team to win Group F by collecting 9 points so that he got an automatic ticket to the main tournament in Uzbekistan next year, and this is a very extraordinary achievement.

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Just checked the poll results, and was surprised to see Indonesia with the most votes. I am not against Indonesia, but from what I have seen so far, I don't think that they are at the same level as the other top AFC nations such as Japan, South Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia. But still I need to agree on one thing. Indonesia has made a lot of progress during the past years. They are appearing for the first time since 2007, and in the previous editions never managed to get past the group stage. Schedule is not yet available and it needs to be seen who will be their opponents in the group phase.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 08, 2022, 11:07:42 AM

Japan is the record holder of winning the Asian Cup four times, and in this tournament Japan is still one of the strongest candidates to win the Asian Cup. Regardless of what you said and I don't think it's an indicator of why Japan can win the Asian Cup four times, Japanese football is more advanced than other Asian football, especially Southeast Asia.

However, in recent years, the development of football in several Asian countries has experienced a lot of improvement so that the Asian Cup this time is more competitive. IMO, some of the candidates who will win the Asian Cup 2023, Japan, Australia, Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they have the potential to appear in the final of the Asian Cup 2023.
But I personally have more attention for the current Qatar squad, Qatar is a cup finalist asia 2019, and it looks like qatar will again win the asia cup 2023.

Korea and Japan are both leading soccer countries in Asia for long time, and they have very strong structure and quality players those are serving into UEFA for many years which is now having amazing way of improve their quality with both are economical strong, so they can invest good funds for development which is not possible for many other countries in Asia with this all now Australia is also part of Asia which also increase quality and Iran, Saudi Arab and Qatar are other countries in Gulf which are keen about this sport, and they are improving their structure and developing their system which is good with this all they can rule into Asia.

Japan is surely more enthusiast about this all, so they are leading country in Asia, and they can do this again as well even now day by day competition is going to be tough for all countries which is good for the game in this region which need good environment and better facilities for good results like Africa.

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Japan is the record holder of winning the Asian Cup four times, and in this tournament Japan is still one of the strongest candidates to win the Asian Cup. Regardless of what you said and I don't think it's an indicator of why Japan can win the Asian Cup four times, Japanese football is more advanced than other Asian football, especially Southeast Asia.

However, in recent years, the development of football in several Asian countries has experienced a lot of improvement so that the Asian Cup this time is more competitive. IMO, some of the candidates who will win the Asian Cup 2023, Japan, Australia, Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, they have the potential to appear in the final of the Asian Cup 2023.
But I personally have more attention for the current Qatar squad, Qatar is a cup finalist asia 2019, and it looks like qatar will again win the asia cup 2023.

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- This is just for my assessment and observation. I think Japan will win there, how did I say it? Because first of all, the atmosphere place of Japan is very beautiful. their natural surroundings are very clean, a big advantage for their athletes. Also, when it comes to discipline, it has also increased and they are also very health conscious, to be honest, so it is not surprising that their players when it comes to resistance, stamina, and others are also very strong. Therefore, because of the things I have said, there is a high chance that Japan will actually enter the final, and the most likely opponents they will face here will be China and Indonesia.

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Well just doing some thoughts, if Indonesia has a very similar level to South Korea, then they are very close to going to a soccer world cup, it would also be something new and colorful, I would really like to see Indonesia in this type of competition, however, I think that now, as the quotas have been extended to go to the World Cup, that is where Indonesia should enter, and in any case they have to qualify, I am used to seeing the South Korean style of football and it is a football that has They have been on the rise, they have a lot of technique and I like the way they charge free throws, something like that should be done by Indonesians.

If Indonesia has a level like South Korea, then Asian football competitions are more interesting and more competitive, so the Asian football axis will not always be owned by Japan, South Korea, Arabia or Australia.
however, in fact, it will be very difficult for the south east asia squad to qualify for the world cup, something we have always hoped for.

and it looks like it will be difficult to realize in the near future, it may take a long time so that the level of Southeast Asian football has really developed rapidly. If you compare Southeast Asian and other Asian football, it is clear that the difference is clearly visible, and let alone for the World Cup level, for the 2023 Asian Cup level, Vietnam, Thailand or Indonesia, seems difficult to win the championship trophy.

Few of the countries in the Asian continent that have a relationship with the game of football come to a very good position when I am the Japan and Korea Republic of and Saudi Arabia. These three teams will perform best in the Asia Cup. Because we know that these three teams always participate in the World Cup and they perform well on the World Cup stage So I think these three teams are very strong in the Asia Cup

Well there is something that I really like about what they talk about, many of these Asian teams have begun to make themselves known by applying their good football, and as I said before, I am fascinated by the Japanese style of football, I appreciate that it is a very peculiar team, besides the Japanese in almost everything they stand out, and obviously this Asian Cup is exciting because I know that in this continent what they need most is a good title, they imagine that the Soccer World Cup manages to stay in the Asian continent' would be crazy, most people think that they are going to go to South America, or Europe, that is where the greatest hopes are.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on August 16, 2022, 07:26:58 AM

If Indonesia has a level like South Korea, then Asian football competitions are more interesting and more competitive, so the Asian football axis will not always be owned by Japan, South Korea, Arabia or Australia.
however, in fact, it will be very difficult for the south east asia squad to qualify for the world cup, something we have always hoped for.

and it looks like it will be difficult to realize in the near future, it may take a long time so that the level of Southeast Asian football has really developed rapidly. If you compare Southeast Asian and other Asian football, it is clear that the difference is clearly visible, and let alone for the World Cup level, for the 2023 Asian Cup level, Vietnam, Thailand or Indonesia, seems difficult to win the championship trophy.

Currently, Indonesia is not at the level of South Korea or Japan because they are regional powers and Indonesia needs long time to compete with them as they have no good structure and system like these countries in last few years few Asian countries are improving their quality but still it's not easy for them to compete in International level just Korea, Japan and Australia are dominating as they have many players those are playing in UEFA clubs and have good quality and skills which is essential for quality.

Even many countries in Asia are investing good amount but still it needs time and experience as well because you can't do these things in months or just one or two years it's going to take nearly one decade then you can bring quality team for big events and with this money is also very important which is no easy for many countries.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on August 16, 2022, 07:26:58 AM

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 15, 2022, 09:43:02 PM

Well just doing some thoughts, if Indonesia has a very similar level to South Korea, then they are very close to going to a soccer world cup, it would also be something new and colorful, I would really like to see Indonesia in this type of competition, however, I think that now, as the quotas have been extended to go to the World Cup, that is where Indonesia should enter, and in any case they have to qualify, I am used to seeing the South Korean style of football and it is a football that has They have been on the rise, they have a lot of technique and I like the way they charge free throws, something like that should be done by Indonesians.

If Indonesia has a level like South Korea, then Asian football competitions are more interesting and more competitive, so the Asian football axis will not always be owned by Japan, South Korea, Arabia or Australia.
however, in fact, it will be very difficult for the south east asia squad to qualify for the world cup, something we have always hoped for.

and it looks like it will be difficult to realize in the near future, it may take a long time so that the level of Southeast Asian football has really developed rapidly. If you compare Southeast Asian and other Asian football, it is clear that the difference is clearly visible, and let alone for the World Cup level, for the 2023 Asian Cup level, Vietnam, Thailand or Indonesia, seems difficult to win the championship trophy.

Few of the countries in the Asian continent that have a relationship with the game of football come to a very good position when I am the Japan and Korea Republic of and Saudi Arabia. These three teams will perform best in the Asia Cup. Because we know that these three teams always participate in the World Cup and they perform well on the World Cup stage So I think these three teams are very strong in the Asia Cup

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on August 15, 2022, 09:43:02 PM

Well just doing some thoughts, if Indonesia has a very similar level to South Korea, then they are very close to going to a soccer world cup, it would also be something new and colorful, I would really like to see Indonesia in this type of competition, however, I think that now, as the quotas have been extended to go to the World Cup, that is where Indonesia should enter, and in any case they have to qualify, I am used to seeing the South Korean style of football and it is a football that has They have been on the rise, they have a lot of technique and I like the way they charge free throws, something like that should be done by Indonesians.

If Indonesia has a level like South Korea, then Asian football competitions are more interesting and more competitive, so the Asian football axis will not always be owned by Japan, South Korea, Arabia or Australia.
however, in fact, it will be very difficult for the south east asia squad to qualify for the world cup, something we have always hoped for.

and it looks like it will be difficult to realize in the near future, it may take a long time so that the level of Southeast Asian football has really developed rapidly. If you compare Southeast Asian and other Asian football, it is clear that the difference is clearly visible, and let alone for the World Cup level, for the 2023 Asian Cup level, Vietnam, Thailand or Indonesia, seems difficult to win the championship trophy.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on August 03, 2022, 07:50:53 AM

well, we have the same opinion in this matter, to be able to qualify from the preliminary round is already an extraordinary achievement. The problem of football in the Indonesian federation is very complicated.
I think there is a lot of homework that the federation must do to make Indonesian football more advanced, one of which is the lack of professionalism and discipline.
Nevertheless, I must give high appreciation to Shin Tae Yong who has brought the young Garuda squad to qualify for a more prestigious competition in the 2023 Asian Cup.

The last time the Indonesian national team appeared in the Asian Cup was in 2007, when the Indonesian national team was the host, the Indonesian national team had to improve in order to compete with other Asian countries, actually Indonesia has many talented players, even the national team supporters can beat any supporters, even countries. Europe also salutes the Indonesian audience who always faithfully fill the stadium stands wherever Indonesia competes, we from all corners of Indonesia are very grateful to Shin Tae Yong who has brought the Indonesian National Team to the Asian arena, I am very sure that the players have good discipline and have enthusiasm The high fighting spirit of the Indonesian national team is able to go further in the Asian Cup next year.

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Well Indonesia is a country that can really surprise, if I would like them to be the champions, although basically I am leaning much more towards South Korea, it is a country that is very confident and really has experience going to world championships, in fact with Italy it did a great role in a World Cup (extracting and leaving out the fact that the referee at that time represented being a drunk) and the history of South Korea is quite extensive, the players make very different plays, their way of playing and their style He likes it on occasions, also when seeing the last games of that team he promises, they are very fast, they have improved remarkably.

Currently, the Indonesian coach is the one who coached South Korea when South Korea and Japan hosted the World Cup several years ago. but if you compare the quality of players between South Korea and Indonesia, South Korea is far superior

Regarding which country will be the host, I am pessimistic that Indonesia can be chosen because Indonesia is the host of the 2023 U-20 World Cup (next year)

there is gap to far between Indonesia and South Korea , in mentality they have different gap although in few years ago when Evan Dimas era they could compete with South KOrea in U23 Asian Cup. Since this young player move to senior team , they didnt play well anymore and there is no one know why its always happen to Indonesia team. Alot young player send abroad so they will have good experience and skill , but when back to national team as if this is back to zero again.

I think the problem of Indonesian football is very complex and maybe it will be better if it is addressed from the bottom,
competition at a young age is also non-existent and that certainly has an influence,
hope there will be a good change for Indonesian football

Well just doing some thoughts, if Indonesia has a very similar level to South Korea, then they are very close to going to a soccer world cup, it would also be something new and colorful, I would really like to see Indonesia in this type of competition, however, I think that now, as the quotas have been extended to go to the World Cup, that is where Indonesia should enter, and in any case they have to qualify, I am used to seeing the South Korean style of football and it is a football that has They have been on the rise, they have a lot of technique and I like the way they charge free throws, something like that should be done by Indonesians.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on August 03, 2022, 07:50:53 AM

well, we have the same opinion in this matter, to be able to qualify from the preliminary round is already an extraordinary achievement. The problem of football in the Indonesian federation is very complicated.
I think there is a lot of homework that the federation must do to make Indonesian football more advanced, one of which is the lack of professionalism and discipline.
Nevertheless, I must give high appreciation to Shin Tae Yong who has brought the young Garuda squad to qualify for a more prestigious competition in the 2023 Asian Cup.

Countries those are stable economically and politically having better quality and development is all fields as in sports also but sadly in Asian region we have nothing positive in many countries, so they are suffering in sports as well just few countries are on good run like South Korea, Japan and now few countries from Gulf region are also on good move but these mostly doing good just because of their resources and money they have no strong enough structure as we have in other regions.

Indonesia is also suffering badly just because of this they need professional approach and strong enough management for having better results, but sadly they're not on positive list and having serious troubles which could be deepened if they fail to manage things in positive way for next few years.

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well, we have the same opinion in this matter, to be able to qualify from the preliminary round is already an extraordinary achievement. The problem of football in the Indonesian federation is very complicated.
I think there is a lot of homework that the federation must do to make Indonesian football more advanced, one of which is the lack of professionalism and discipline.
Nevertheless, I must give high appreciation to Shin Tae Yong who has brought the young Garuda squad to qualify for a more prestigious competition in the 2023 Asian Cup.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on August 03, 2022, 03:05:16 AM

In last few years we have some good development in soccer in this region, and they can do much better than right now just need discipline and strong system which bring youths on good platform right now they need to develop this game from grassroot which is the best option and can do good results for them.

Yes, we can see it from the various achievements that have been achieved by the Indonesian national team. I personally quite surprised to see Indonesia will play in the Asian cup competition after they managed to beat Nepal with a score of 7 - 0. This is the fifth Asian Cup competition that will be played by Indonesia, they have played in the Asian Cup in 1996, 2000, 2004 and 2007. I don't have much hope for this team, just qualifying from the group stage would be an extraordinary achievement.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on August 02, 2022, 05:42:46 AM

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When they enter the national team, the young players are not like when they played in the U-19 team and this condition I have not found the right answer. Regarding mentality, young Indonesian players are not left behind like other Asian players. Some say, Indonesia is lacking in the football infrastructure sector. There is also a mention because of the food factor. Was there any other factor that brought them back to zero again when they entered the national team?

Actually, I think there are many problems in Indonesian football.
However, if we refer to Shin Tae Yong's statement, there is a lot of homework for him. one of the problems in shin tae yong's statement is the lack of discipline, we all know that local indonesian players lack discipline and do not have a professional mentality, do not maintain a diet, do not understand the importance of weight training.

some of these points become homework that must be improved by many clubs in Indonesia. I see Shin Tae Yong's mission to make Indonesia more advanced in the world of football.

Indonesia is one of the most populated country in this region, and they are having some good environment as well which is important for having some better system in any sports, but sadly they have never been good in this all if they want to do something good then surely it's a not big task just tough management and strong domestic system can bring them to good level and this is also a big industry as well which can bring good investment and many other facilities as well which is just possible with the professional approach.

In last few years we have some good development in soccer in this region, and they can do much better than right now just need discipline and strong system which bring youths on good platform right now they need to develop this game from grassroot which is the best option and can do good results for them.

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