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legendary
Activity: 1582
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HODL for life.
February 14, 2016, 07:38:16 PM
Telling people to update is not the same as announcing a fork.  Everything was working fine with old wallets until you guys pulled the plug yesterday at 6am.

And everything is still working fine for the people who took the time to update in the last 6-7 months, but duly noted.

Just so you know, the next wallet update will require a FORK.  Make sure you're monitoring the thread for updates so this doesn't happen to you again. Wink

-Fuse
hero member
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
www.multipool.us
February 14, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
So you guys decided to hard fork after specifically saying (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12538308) that this was a soft fork?

What is the reason for the hard fork?  what are the new coin specs?  Why was this not announced anywhere (even in OP of this thread?)

The new wallet was an update to the codebase.  It also included new alert keys for the transition from Balduro to the new team.  Aside from that, there weren't any changes to blockchain specifics.

The decision to officially cut the old versions(read: hard fork via bridge node update) was made when we found some suspicious mining activity coming from a private address on an older client.  It was time to cut the old versions anyway.  I'm pretty sure you can read back numerous pages and see where the team told people to update to the newest version.  People have had since August to do so.

-Fuse

Telling people to update is not the same as announcing a fork.  Everything was working fine with old wallets until you guys pulled the plug yesterday at 6am.
legendary
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HODL for life.
February 14, 2016, 05:18:26 PM
So you guys decided to hard fork after specifically saying (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12538308) that this was a soft fork?

What is the reason for the hard fork?  what are the new coin specs?  Why was this not announced anywhere (even in OP of this thread?)

The new wallet was an update to the codebase.  It also included new alert keys for the transition from Balduro to the new team.  Aside from that, there weren't any changes to blockchain specifics.

The decision to officially cut the old versions(read: hard fork via bridge node update) was made when we found some suspicious mining activity coming from a private address on an older client.  It was time to cut the old versions anyway.  I'm pretty sure you can read back numerous pages and see where the team told people to update to the newest version.  People have had since August to do so.

-Fuse
hero member
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www.multipool.us
February 14, 2016, 04:56:24 PM
So you guys decided to hard fork after specifically saying (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12538308) that this was a soft fork?

What is the reason for the hard fork?  what are the new coin specs?  Why was this not announced anywhere (even in OP of this thread?)
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
February 14, 2016, 04:30:24 AM
could you shed some light on how to make a vanity address?

sure.

There's a software called vanitygen out there.

get and compile it using git:

Code:
#> git clone git://github.com/samr7/vanitygen.git
#> cd vanitygen
#> make

(there might be windows binaries out there, but be careful, they might "send home" the keys they generate, better compile yourself. You can also compile on windows, just get "cygwin installer", install git, gcc, make,... and use "cygwin bash shell" to do the above. But that's not done in 2 minutes... probably easier to get a linux setup (can be virtual machine))

then, to start search (it needs to use brute-force, of course), do this:

Code:
#> ./vanitygen -X 23 -k "Adamastor"

The "-X 23" is specific for Auroracoin.

result would look similar to this
Code:
Address: AdamaspAbcRzZvevjbt9vCXeU2W4Ez1uAe
Privkey: 65g2ArPUT5F4UFYPrzsnEBS9F46CzogKU5G86ymjRdGHanbc7c7

you can import that Privkey to your wallet and it will result in the given address to be part of your wallet. Do do this, go to help / Debug Window in Auroracoin desktop wallet, select the "Console" Tab and enter

Code:
importprivkey 65g2ArPUT5F4UFYPrzsnEBS9F46CzogKU5G86ymjRdGHanbc7c7

(I guess you knew that part, Adamastor, just explaining it for others who might find this in the future)

The above command will take about 2.2 years to find an address that starts with "Adamastor" with a chance of 50% on a decent CPU. With GPU you're 100 times faster.

If you still need more power, there are also services that do this by pooling GPU resources, vanity pool for example. (It's a little work to do it securely, though. Don't do it if the service can access your private key in any way. Amazingly there are methods to do it without the service learning your key (crypto ftw)). I'm not sure they support Auroracoin, though.
sr. member
Activity: 403
Merit: 250
February 14, 2016, 03:08:24 AM
does any one know anything about this Aurburn account:

 AURBurn9fsck7gW2pBQ8LbXa4pAzjCTgnw

ranked 411 with 117 transactions in and none out?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/aur/address.dws?399011.htm

I think it came up in a discussion within the dev team once. If I remember correctly nobody knew whose it is/was. Just assume it is a normal address.

Totally normal address. It's mine. Vanitiy-generated it and mined to it for a day or two.
The 117 transactions are me mining to it.

Code:
signmessage AURBurn9fsck7gW2pBQ8LbXa4pAzjCTgnw "I own this key, btctalk user molecular"
GzBaeyF9sYF7akTQgv2IOtZb4PciY0mZ/9Rzq2y1KpwSqh1TH4hj2Og5g4VxMGaAjOyKcX5PVob6dpwyiAnwCSo=


could you shed some light on how to make a vanity address?
hero member
Activity: 2058
Merit: 538
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
February 10, 2016, 03:20:31 AM
I have to agree with bimmerhead and leave the rewards as they are, I remember how you same people were having a heart attack when NLG wanted to change the reward system and now you wanting to change it yourselves on AUR. Double standards much? Leave it as the way satoshi intended or GTFO.

Ny2cafuse and I were the only ones involved with that (I was also against the NLG change, just as this change.) and have taken a position in this. The double standards also crossed my mind, but the situation here is completely different. Ny2cafuse wants to prevent a big difference in price (stabilize the price), while the NLG people argued that the price was too low and hoped to pump it this way (higher price). Also, with Fuse' solution the drop stays at specific points the same (just in between those points are changed), while the NLG solution is a one time drop of 10x and keep it the same for 60 years into the future.

I don't understand how it's different if Ny2cafuse reasons is about price too? To me you guys are admitting that the NLG team was right and by not making the change you sticking to your principles. No point trying to butter up the excuses to make yourselves look better. Lets keep it as is and do proper development to create value.
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
February 13, 2016, 05:39:36 PM
does any one know anything about this Aurburn account:

 AURBurn9fsck7gW2pBQ8LbXa4pAzjCTgnw

ranked 411 with 117 transactions in and none out?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/aur/address.dws?399011.htm

I think it came up in a discussion within the dev team once. If I remember correctly nobody knew whose it is/was. Just assume it is a normal address.

Totally normal address. It's mine. Vanitiy-generated it and mined to it for a day or two.
The 117 transactions are me mining to it.

Code:
signmessage AURBurn9fsck7gW2pBQ8LbXa4pAzjCTgnw "I own this key, btctalk user molecular"
GzBaeyF9sYF7akTQgv2IOtZb4PciY0mZ/9Rzq2y1KpwSqh1TH4hj2Og5g4VxMGaAjOyKcX5PVob6dpwyiAnwCSo=
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
February 13, 2016, 05:33:09 PM

Everyone on version 1.x.x should update to version 0.8.7.5 (Arngrímur Jónsson) which is the latest.

Downloads can be found on http://auroracoin.is
or https://github.com/aurarad/auroracoin

THIS, AS OF NOW, IS A MANDATORY UPDATE!

We are coming close to the release of our new wallets and the latest release (0.8.7.5) we did was already 6 months ago. To make sure everyone is on the right chain when we release our new version (which will be a hard-fork!) we have now closed the bridge node to the initial (OLD) chain. Please note that if you are sending coins or mine on the old chain (1.x.x) the transactions will no longer be validated on the appropriate one!

- the Auroracoin dev team -

That's how real men do hardforks! Just tell everybody to upgrade and be done with it.

I salute you.
hero member
Activity: 2058
Merit: 538
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
February 09, 2016, 11:32:54 PM

Changing the halving doesn't give anyone more of an advantage with mining than anyone else.  It actually creates a fairer distribution of coins over time.
What do you mean by "fairer"?

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Additionally, if we aren't talking about "a better way" or "a greater good", then why are we working on AUR, and not just pumping up BTC?  If BTC is does things right, then why try to compete with that?

Because airdrop was designed to get coins into many hands in small geographic area, creating a critical mass of users. With many thousands claiming their coins, this worked.

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Evening out the halving schedule doesn't change the supply, nor does it centralize the power of control to the deciding few.
No, but every time we tinker with the system average users will feel the rules of the game are changing. This reduces confidence in the currency.

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If anything, it broadens the base of wealth and creates a fairer distribution.  It also eases the fluctuations in price caused by halving over the next *nth degree of years.  Sure... acceptance is going to create a skyrocket price increase... but what about 2 years from now when we hit the next halving?  Are we saying that in 2 years, we won't want the price and chain to be as smooth as possible, or are we hoping for a rollercoaster coin that we make day trades on?

Halving does not cut the supply of AUR in half. It cuts the inflation rate of AUR in half. There will continue to be more coins than previously, which is downward-pressing on price.

But if change in payout causes price fluctuations, then what you're proposing merely changes it from a once-every-four-years known phenomenon that people can calculate for, to an ever-happening phenomenon that is hidden and difficult to account for. In fact, I don't really understand how it would work myself.

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The only argument I've heard so far for leaving it as-is is because BTC did it that way, and Satoshi knows best.  The only other reason I could think of is because it's more complicated code.  This can't be an issue with the fact that we're pushing a pretty large update to the wallets soon that will have a change far greater than changing the halving schedule.

I do think that Satoshi has thought about this a lot more than most of us. But I'm also not convinced the current methodology accounts for anything more than minimal convulsions in the price since users know when it is happening and can act accordingly. If everyone knew the supply of copper was going to halve in 2 years, don't you think many people would stockpile now, thus driving up the price in the present?

I don't think anyone is making a 'complicated code' argument.

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I'm still waiting for someone to tell my why it is financially or technically more beneficial to have hard halving schedules rather than gradual block reductions that match the mining timeline.  Sell me on why it's better to leave it as is.

I'm not convinced the hard halving schedule is broken. I'm not convinced it causes wild price fluctuation. I think we have enough work to do without introducing more unknowns and more complexity into the system. I am enjoying the discussion though. Smiley



I have to agree with bimmerhead and leave the rewards as they are, I remember how you same people were having a heart attack when NLG wanted to change the reward system and now you wanting to change it yourselves on AUR. Double standards much? Leave it as the way satoshi intended or GTFO.
legendary
Activity: 1658
Merit: 1001
February 13, 2016, 04:46:42 PM
does any one know anything about this Aurburn account:

 AURBurn9fsck7gW2pBQ8LbXa4pAzjCTgnw

ranked 411 with 117 transactions in and none out?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/aur/address.dws?399011.htm

I think it came up in a discussion within the dev team once. If I remember correctly nobody knew whose it is/was. Just assume it is a normal address.
sr. member
Activity: 403
Merit: 250
February 13, 2016, 03:08:37 PM
does any one know anything about this Aurburn account:

 AURBurn9fsck7gW2pBQ8LbXa4pAzjCTgnw

ranked 411 with 117 transactions in and none out?

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/aur/address.dws?399011.htm
sr. member
Activity: 403
Merit: 250
February 13, 2016, 02:51:40 PM
Two withdrawals from bittrex, one on the 11th and one on the 12th have failed to show up on the block chain. anyone know anything about this?

Bittrex has been on the right chain since we got listed there, so any withdrawal that successfully has been executed (i.e. has been deducted from your balance) should show up. Can you give us any more specifics?

update: i found the transactions using the auroracoin.io explorer but its seems like the explorer at bitinfocharts doesn't record the new fork?
full member
Activity: 248
Merit: 100
February 13, 2016, 09:09:14 AM

Everyone on version 1.x.x should update to version 0.8.7.5 (Arngrímur Jónsson) which is the latest.

Downloads can be found on http://auroracoin.is
or https://github.com/aurarad/auroracoin

THIS, AS OF NOW, IS A MANDATORY UPDATE!

We are coming close to the release of our new wallets and the latest release (0.8.7.5) we did was already 6 months ago. To make sure everyone is on the right chain when we release our new version (which will be a hard-fork!) we have now closed the bridge node to the initial (OLD) chain. Please note that if you are sending coins or mine on the old chain (1.x.x) the transactions will no longer be validated on the appropriate one!

- the Auroracoin dev team -

Excellent.
jr. member
Activity: 61
Merit: 5
February 13, 2016, 09:05:03 AM
Two withdrawals from bittrex, one on the 11th and one on the 12th have failed to show up on the block chain. anyone know anything about this?

Bittrex has been on the right chain since we got listed there, so any withdrawal that successfully has been executed (i.e. has been deducted from your balance) should show up. Can you give us any more specifics?
sr. member
Activity: 403
Merit: 250
February 13, 2016, 08:36:27 AM

Everyone on version 1.x.x should update to version 0.8.7.5 (Arngrímur Jónsson) which is the latest.

Downloads can be found on http://auroracoin.is
or https://github.com/aurarad/auroracoin

THIS, AS OF NOW, IS A MANDATORY UPDATE!

We are coming close to the release of our new wallets and the latest release (0.8.7.5) we did was already 6 months ago. To make sure everyone is on the right chain when we release our new version (which will be a hard-fork!) we have now closed the bridge node to the initial (OLD) chain. Please note that if you are sending coins or mine on the old chain (1.x.x) the transactions will no longer be validated on the appropriate one!

- the Auroracoin dev team -

Two withdrawals from bittrex, one on the 11th and one on the 12th have failed to show up on the block chain. anyone know anything about this?
jr. member
Activity: 61
Merit: 5
February 13, 2016, 08:18:30 AM

Everyone on version 1.x.x should update to version 0.8.7.5 (Arngrímur Jónsson) which is the latest.

Downloads can be found on http://auroracoin.is
or https://github.com/aurarad/auroracoin

THIS, AS OF NOW, IS A MANDATORY UPDATE!

We are coming close to the release of our new wallets and the latest release (0.8.7.5) we did was already 6 months ago. To make sure everyone is on the right chain when we release our new version (which will be a hard-fork!) we have now closed the bridge node to the initial (OLD) chain. Please note that if you are sending coins or mine on the old chain (1.x.x) the transactions will no longer be validated on the appropriate one!

- the Auroracoin dev team -
hero member
Activity: 2058
Merit: 538
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
February 12, 2016, 03:23:58 AM
THAT is an interesting convo !

I feel a bit like Fuse on this - I never got why such a drastic reward decrease was coded at first. Why not gradually ? The endgame would be the same, no ?  Most economic activity move ''gradually''. I don't bump the price of an item from 100$ to 200$. I increase the price to 109, then 129, then 139 etc. Banks move rates slowly for the same reason - and each time they don't, well, we know what happen. Crashes, war, bankrupt etc. 

Imo, just the fact that people worry, or prepare to the next halving is a sign that there is something wrong with it. This is not a good stable currency !   I don't want any price manipulation - but keeping something just because ''satoshi'' put it in BTC is not a good reason to me. Satoshi was/is not a god - we see tons of coders trying to figure how to change BTC so the network can support more transactions - these coders don't say that bitcoin is broken, they say it can be better suited for what we need.

If we gradually decrease the reward without changing the supply in any way (just doing the maths correctly, right?), we just eliminate a big question mark, we let the market grow on an organic way, no ?   The halving realy look like a dogma to me - or at least i can't see any decent reason for wanting such drastic change in something that need stability. 

You must be with the NLG team because there reasoning was identical.lol
legendary
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February 11, 2016, 10:35:43 PM
No one here is afraid to entertain the idea of change. However some of us are against change for the sake of change. Especially when there is so much work (read "change") that truly needs to be done before this project can move forward.

I don't see how my agreement with Skarfur is a straw man argument.  Satoshi knew enough to get things established, but it will be the developers that refine the system that will be the heroes in my book.

Change that is currently happening.  But don't think that this will be the only change, and that the chain will remain healthy with a client that never gets updated or modified.  My goal is, and always will be as long as I'm on the team, to insure the stability and security of the blockchain.  My proposal was a facet of change that I believe would help do that, and create a better system of inflation control.  If it's too radical an idea because Satoshi didn't do it that way, then we'll leave it at that.

-Fuse
legendary
Activity: 1291
Merit: 1000
February 11, 2016, 09:59:27 PM
I just don't think it's a valid logic to say that something shouldn't be changed because it's designer had everything figured out. Everything made my man can be improved.

There's a video called "Billions in Change".  It's an interesting watch, and can be found here: http://billionsinchange.com.  Long story short, it's about the 5-hour energy drink CEO, Manoj Bhargava, spending like 95% of his earnings on ideas to change the world.  But that's not what I'm getting at.

In the video, Manoj talks about hiring experts.  Basically, he says that they don't hire experts because experts know everything about what has been.  He said instead, he wants people that will think about what could possibly come next.  Satoshi did that in a lot of ways, but he(/she/they) couldn't predict everything.  He was an expert of digital currency at that time.  He knew what would happen then, but he couldn't account for everything.

I think that's what we really need to focus on.  We can't possibly know everything about what will happen either.  We need to try to predict trends, safeguard against possible risks, and code for the future instead of the now.  But we can't be afraid to make changes down the line to course correct.  Crypto is ever-evolving.  It's adapting to change, and overcoming possible adversity.

We can't be afraid to entertain the idea of change because somebody, who could even just be a fictional entity for a group of people, said years ago that "this is what it is", and people take that as "this is what it always should be."  Ultimately, that's what BTC is- a solution to the traditional fiat currency systems that people were afraid to question.

-Fuse

With all respect, this is a straw man argument.

No one here is afraid to entertain the idea of change. However some of us are against change for the sake of change. Especially when there is so much work (read "change") that truly needs to be done before this project can move forward.

Over and out.
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