Avalon batch [2] countdown! - page 72.

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Quote from: DrG on April 30, 2013, 03:26:02 PM

Quote from: monkee on April 30, 2013, 03:22:03 PM

I don't imagine they would be mining. They have said they are not and Yifu has made a point to say that none of his staff even have their own miners. In my opinion Avalon has not been shown to be unethical or liars, quite the opposite. Yes, dates have slipped and it sucks big time but I would't jump to the conclusion that it is because they are mining or intentionally screwing us or anything.

My guess is it's delays getting the SMT line in order but they are reluctant to tell us until there is some good news to report too. Unfortunately, I think that "good news" will be that batch 3 will be closer on our tails but it is what it is.

As a great poet once said:

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.

Zen people, zen.

Monkee are you high, or just have too much Nickelodeon playing at home Huh

naah, i'm just bananas

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You mean today? It's already 5/1/2013 in Hong Kong

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=102

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Well, tomorrow is the first day of their missed deadline, it will be a good day to send out a newsletter updating us.

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Quote from: therustytrombone on April 30, 2013, 04:34:27 PM

Quote from: Keninishna on April 30, 2013, 04:32:37 PM

How long does bitsyncom get with no communication before he gets a scammer tag?

seriously? Huh

No, I'm mostly just trolling, I'm sure avalon will deliver when they will.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on April 30, 2013, 04:06:19 PM

Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 04:00:59 PM

Guys, give them a break - no news is good news. They updated on the 15th, they said there was a small delay, chill and stop freaking out, its pointless.

I am chill. I am patient. I am a good customer. I just ask for a LITTLE respect and I am not receiving that. Two minutes to send an email is NOT too much to ask. And, we have asked (quite politely I may add) and we KNOW yifu logged on and could not be bothered to take two minutes to send us all an email?
And yes, I know Kano is trolling but the paranoia I am starting to feel could have been erased by TWO minutes of Yifu's precious time. It was not. And that is completely disrespectful.

How about "you are not special" spice added to shipment priority list? Was there any mention that those who are not old customers or trade-ins will be treated like
nothing special before batch 2 was opened? I can't recall that.

This is a good point. I would find this a lot more palatable if zhang had stuck with the theme that our trust is rewarded by his trust and that he valued it. I believed that.
So someone explain to me why Yifu has time to pose for pics in magazines and run around playing rockstar yet does not have TWO minutes to explain why his statement that he is shipping and will escalate shipping 17 days ago is NOT happening?

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Quote from: Keninishna on April 30, 2013, 04:32:37 PM

How long does bitsyncom get with no communication before he gets a scammer tag?

seriously? Huh

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How long does bitsyncom get with no communication before he gets a scammer tag?

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Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 04:00:59 PM

Guys, give them a break - no news is good news. They updated on the 15th, they said there was a small delay, chill and stop freaking out, its pointless.

Nope, they said that they shipped the first batch 2 units (to whom? noone received them) and that the situation would improve dramatically during the past week.
The situation didn't improved dramatically... And updating us takes 5 minutes.

So... No news is bad news.

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Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 04:00:59 PM

Guys, give them a break - no news is good news. They updated on the 15th, they said there was a small delay, chill and stop freaking out, its pointless.

I am chill. I am patient. I am a good customer. I just ask for a LITTLE respect and I am not receiving that. Two minutes to send an email is NOT too much to ask. And, we have asked (quite politely I may add) and we KNOW yifu logged on and could not be bothered to take two minutes to send us all an email?
And yes, I know Kano is trolling but the paranoia I am starting to feel could have been erased by TWO minutes of Yifu's precious time. It was not. And that is completely disrespectful.

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Guys, give them a break - no news is good news. They updated on the 15th, they said there was a small delay, chill and stop freaking out, its pointless.

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Quote from: ngzhang on March 20, 2013, 03:35:46 PM

we discussed batch3 price for a long time.
personally, i do think this is a reasonable price.
batch#1: 1300USD + your trust, batch#2: 1500USD + your trust, batch#3 = ?
why batch 1 and batch2 customers will enjoy such a low USD price and extremly high profit? because they put their valuable trust on us.

last September, most of you think we have little chance to win, or could be a crappy scam, you don't buy.
this January, considerable people think we take Jeff down or just spent 400K to make a prototype, you don't buy.
now, everything on track, machines delivered to your hands are only a matter of time. you want to buy them at a same price or something like 2000USD.

OK, please tell me, what is the price of people most valuable things "trust" should be? 500USD? no, 5000USD at least.
as a core developer, i look upon all Avalons as my son. i will send them to who believe us, not the faithless or buzzard.

As you have said it is all about trust. When I paid you almost $10000 worth of Bitcoin for a batch 2 Avalon, it was obvious from reports on this forum and the difficulty that you didn't have the batch 1 machines ready. I knew I was paying you to finish the goods you already sold in addition to building my Avalon. But I trusted you to do what you said you would, and be honorable about the deal.

Now, you are rich and don't need my money. And it seems like you forget who trusted you to help you get over the hump to where you are today. Difficulty suggests you have my Avalon, and you are 6 weeks late on shipping them from your promise when I ordered.

Your partner has time to be the hero in Wired magazine, but cannot answer simple questions, like when will you keep your promises to the people who trusted you.

People will remember you cheating them out of a few dollars for a long time. Much longer than they will remember your accomplishment of delivering the first Bitcoin ASIC.

I hope you take immediate action to restore the trust I gave you.

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Quote from: Aseras on April 30, 2013, 03:46:40 PM

Will they try to slow it, so it's not noticeable?

They need 2 more weeks so that they can build batch 2 units with another fab working together with the first one. The first fab is doing their avalons, and will keep to do so; the hashrate will keep increasing at the same constant speed.
In the meanwhile, with the second fab, they will build and ship the customer's avalons, unafecting the hashrate until when they ship.

This is my best guess (and was not formulated today).

What i'm quite sure of is that a batch 2/3 avalon will have a minimum roi of 75btc. If they don't make their customers take their money back due to their greed, they will have problems. So i'm guessing that a batch 2 avalon will mine 100btc, a batch 3 75btc.

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Quote from: bennybong on April 30, 2013, 02:53:09 PM

Quote from: Aseras on April 30, 2013, 02:37:30 PM

he's in china and has > 20 trade-in icarus boards.

Avalon is too busy mining the avalons right now to ship them. but of course since they are all built and working when they have made ROI for miners low enough they will be able to ship them super quick like they said.

I just don't see why someone (let alone Avalon, who already have millions of our $$$) would do that. Plus we can see the network hashrate from our end, anyone noticed 600 Avalons come online? Roll Eyes

Greed, the same reason why the fools who bought batch3 at 100BTC are boned.

Do you really think they took a break with so much money on the line? Do you really think they are just storing them in a warehouse doing nothing until they ship? If it were me, I'd be mining too. I just would say so and not keep making up BS excuses to the "dumb client base fighting for table scraps".

here it is https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate

The real question then will be when batch 2 and 3 "ship" will we see the hash rate jump, or drop for a bit?

Will they try to slow it, so it's not noticeable?

They have a monopoly, they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want. Including not shipping at all and walking with all the BTC and the hardware and orders.

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Quote from: monkee on April 30, 2013, 03:22:03 PM

My guess is it's delays getting the SMT line in order but they are reluctant to tell us until there is some good news to report too.

This. Handling bad news this way is a part of oriental mentality AFAIK.

Edit: Please get it as a supporting message.

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Quote from: monkee on April 30, 2013, 03:22:03 PM

I don't imagine they would be mining. They have said they are not and Yifu has made a point to say that none of his staff even have their own miners. In my opinion Avalon has not been shown to be unethical or liars, quite the opposite. Yes, dates have slipped and it sucks big time but I would't jump to the conclusion that it is because they are mining or intentionally screwing us or anything.

My guess is it's delays getting the SMT line in order but they are reluctant to tell us until there is some good news to report too. Unfortunately, I think that "good news" will be that batch 3 will be closer on our tails but it is what it is.

As a great poet once said:

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.

Zen people, zen.

Monkee are you high, or just have too much Nickelodeon playing at home Huh

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I don't imagine they would be mining. They have said they are not and Yifu has made a point to say that none of his staff even have their own miners. In my opinion Avalon has not been shown to be unethical or liars, quite the opposite. Yes, dates have slipped and it sucks big time but I would't jump to the conclusion that it is because they are mining or intentionally screwing us or anything.

My guess is it's delays getting the SMT line in order but they are reluctant to tell us until there is some good news to report too. Unfortunately, I think that "good news" will be that batch 3 will be closer on our tails but it is what it is.

As a great poet once said:

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.

Zen people, zen.

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Quote from: Aseras on April 30, 2013, 02:37:30 PM

he's in china and has > 20 trade-in icarus boards.

Avalon is too busy mining the avalons right now to ship them. but of course since they are all built and working when they have made ROI for miners low enough they will be able to ship them super quick like they said.

I just don't see why someone (let alone Avalon, who already have millions of our $$$) would do that. Plus we can see the network hashrate from our end, anyone noticed 600 Avalons come online? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 04:45:52 AM

Quote from: rudrigorc2 on April 30, 2013, 04:28:08 AM

bad news: at least two more weeks(or one more diff adjustment if you prefer), you heard it here first. Sad

Source pls

he's in china and has > 20 trade-in icarus boards.

Avalon is too busy mining the avalons right now to ship them. but of course since they are all built and working when they have made ROI for miners low enough they will be able to ship them super quick like they said.

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Quote from: rudrigorc2 on April 30, 2013, 04:28:08 AM

bad news: at least two more weeks(or one more diff adjustment if you prefer), you heard it here first. Sad

the noose is tightening as each day passes.I'm not all in per se. But was hoping things worked out fairly well.

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Quote from: loshia on April 30, 2013, 01:09:00 PM

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Quote from: iammagicmike on April 30, 2013, 07:22:25 AM

and just be glad you didn't order from BFL.

I actually ordered from BFL, i refused to pay back in september when i smelled problems.
Avalon failed to give any credible explanations for these delays, while, at the same time, the network hashrate is growing at the same exact speed they claimed they where manufacturing batch 1 products at.

What does that tells you?
That there is a shortage of capacitors and resistors in China?

You have a fab that produces money making machines. Do you shut the fab down for 2 months?

You are correct, i should never have tried to explain facts and expect explanations on bitcointalk, because i magically become the one to blame.

If there are 1000 trade ins paid each 75btc, that's 75kbtc. If they also start selling the "avalon mini" during these weeks, that's another 3000 (survey number) * 20 btc (made up price) = 60kbtc. That would bring the grand total of btc in preorders to avalon this year alone to 285kbtc. That's only 41 million dollars. All whitout delivering a single product paid this year. BFL looks like a virgin compared to that.

And i'm the one to blame!

Dude,

Sometimes there is something more important than money even though we are talking for millions!
For instance i am unplugging everything for 10 days for my vacation i do not care how much it will cost. I just do not wanna think about it.
Same can happen with anybody for any amount

Thats fine to say if it only effects you -- as a choice. When it involves other people, thats a different story. People have different priorities with their money. People are here to get ahead in the game. If money wasn't that big of a deal, they could just go back to a 9-5 job and forget bitcoin and be happy.

I am just saying that it is not the end of the world for me and for other people also. I agree that it is personal choice but my choice is to die poor i will not need the money in afterlife. So we have to spend them in one way or another. How can this happen working 7x24? Wink

24/7 Mining Machines =p. The machines just have to reach their destination in an orderly time. Its just as you said. Money isn't the end all. However, it's still important -- as a leverage tool for the long term.

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