Avalon orders - batch #3 refund requests thread - page 10.

Wayne_Chang

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Quote from: Frequency on June 26, 2013, 02:06:51 AM

Received an newsletter, nothing about the batch 3 orders, but explicite about sending first batch of chips to all the clone companies wtf Yifu .... We deserve a head start you knew when we ordered batch 3 that two weeks later you announced the chip batches pretty scammy move..and they even get delivered first ...

I feel taken from behind thanks for that...

I thinking about a refund but rather have my Avalon burning over here soon....just dono yet.. Embarrassed

Now you see, it is Avalon style. Fucks you without even apology or thanks.

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COINDER

Received an newsletter, nothing about the batch 3 orders, but explicite about sending first batch of chips to all the clone companies wtf Yifu .... We deserve a head start you knew when we ordered batch 3 that two weeks later you announced the chip batches pretty scammy move..and they even get delivered first ...

I feel taken from behind thanks for that...

I thinking about a refund but rather have my Avalon burning over here soon....just dono yet.. Embarrassed

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If anyone has UK/EU units, I maybe interested.

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Quote from: martinm on June 25, 2013, 11:12:43 AM

I also consider to take a refund for my Batch 3 order, keep us updated how the refund request goes on. Will they refund the same amount of Bitcoins paid for the order?

My guess is refund requests will be issued as batch 3 support tickets are answered. Which I would think would be after batch 2 is fully shipped. Regardless instant payment for a preorder should also receive a refund fairly quickly for this reason. I doubt I will ever receive a refund and probably will only get a condescending update on this thread from his truly.

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I also consider to take a refund for my Batch 3 order, keep us updated how the refund request goes on. Will they refund the same amount of Bitcoins paid for the order?

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Quote from: Wayne_Chang on June 25, 2013, 07:34:30 AM

Quote from: dan99 on June 25, 2013, 06:31:22 AM

if Yifu suggest refund getting your money back is a far better option ... ya go for refund

Problem is somebody issued a ticket asked for refund. 6 days passed, no reply, no action.

same
support asked address, then no repley

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 25, 2013, 09:46:45 AM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 09:44:29 AM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 25, 2013, 09:19:19 AM

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Quote from: pikeadz on June 25, 2013, 07:35:21 AM

I am on the fence. I have a really low order number, because I purchased within minutes. I will probably give it till the first few days in July, and if I don't hear anything... yeah....

I am in the same boat as you pikeadz... low 45XX order ( < 4520). If I don't get shipping info in the first few days of July, I am probably going to put in a refund request... or at least see if I can get a refund on half my order. With a May delivery date and no raw chip orders, this deal was a no-brainer. Now it takes a lot of brain to figure out what the options are.

Just figure out a hashrate where at such point delivery would become unbearable, and cancel before then if not delivered by that point.

Yep... and thus the lots of brain required.
Will the growth be steep linear or exponential?
I believe it was 6.7M when batch 3 orders opened.
The exponential trend is pretty ugly and with my projections you need to overclock to be able to get to break-even.
Does this reduce the lifespan of the miner?

Lots to think about... I really enjoy mining (and my GPU miner box just croaked and I am debating whether to patch it back together), but it might be better to wait for the chip clones... 100BTC for 85GHs for a 3-4 week lead on clones doesn't seem like good value.

It's not going to be linear.

It's not going to be linear for the next months. But it won't be exponential forever, we can bet that at some point in the future the exponential growth will revert to linear growth.

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Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 09:44:29 AM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 25, 2013, 09:19:19 AM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 08:15:41 AM

Quote from: pikeadz on June 25, 2013, 07:35:21 AM

I am on the fence. I have a really low order number, because I purchased within minutes. I will probably give it till the first few days in July, and if I don't hear anything... yeah....

I am in the same boat as you pikeadz... low 45XX order ( < 4520). If I don't get shipping info in the first few days of July, I am probably going to put in a refund request... or at least see if I can get a refund on half my order. With a May delivery date and no raw chip orders, this deal was a no-brainer. Now it takes a lot of brain to figure out what the options are.

Just figure out a hashrate where at such point delivery would become unbearable, and cancel before then if not delivered by that point.

Yep... and thus the lots of brain required.
Will the growth be steep linear or exponential?
I believe it was 6.7M when batch 3 orders opened.
The exponential trend is pretty ugly and with my projections you need to overclock to be able to get to break-even.
Does this reduce the lifespan of the miner?

Lots to think about... I really enjoy mining (and my GPU miner box just croaked and I am debating whether to patch it back together), but it might be better to wait for the chip clones... 100BTC for 85GHs for a 3-4 week lead on clones doesn't seem like good value.

It's not going to be linear.

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 25, 2013, 09:19:19 AM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 08:15:41 AM

Quote from: pikeadz on June 25, 2013, 07:35:21 AM

I am on the fence. I have a really low order number, because I purchased within minutes. I will probably give it till the first few days in July, and if I don't hear anything... yeah....

I am in the same boat as you pikeadz... low 45XX order ( < 4520). If I don't get shipping info in the first few days of July, I am probably going to put in a refund request... or at least see if I can get a refund on half my order. With a May delivery date and no raw chip orders, this deal was a no-brainer. Now it takes a lot of brain to figure out what the options are.

Just figure out a hashrate where at such point delivery would become unbearable, and cancel before then if not delivered by that point.

Yep... and thus the lots of brain required.
Will the growth be steep linear or exponential?
I believe it was 6.7M when batch 3 orders opened.
The exponential trend is pretty ugly and with my projections you need to overclock to be able to get to break-even.
Does this reduce the lifespan of the miner?

Lots to think about... I really enjoy mining (and my GPU miner box just croaked and I am debating whether to patch it back together), but it might be better to wait for the chip clones... 100BTC for 85GHs for a 3-4 week lead on clones doesn't seem like good value.

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on June 25, 2013, 09:19:19 AM

Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 08:15:41 AM

Quote from: pikeadz on June 25, 2013, 07:35:21 AM

I am on the fence. I have a really low order number, because I purchased within minutes. I will probably give it till the first few days in July, and if I don't hear anything... yeah....

I am in the same boat as you pikeadz... low 45XX order ( < 4520). If I don't get shipping info in the first few days of July, I am probably going to put in a refund request... or at least see if I can get a refund on half my order. With a May delivery date and no raw chip orders, this deal was a no-brainer. Now it takes a lot of brain to figure out what the options are.

Just figure out a hashrate where at such point delivery would become unbearable, and cancel before then if not delivered by that point.

I guess everybody will wait till the two next difficulty adjustments... If the increase is big and there is no tracking number in the email, I foresee mass refund requests.

Its kinda worrying to see that people who decided to request a refund early havent been contacted yet after 6/7 days, I wonder what will happen when the rate of refund requests will increase.

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Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 08:15:41 AM

Quote from: pikeadz on June 25, 2013, 07:35:21 AM

I am on the fence. I have a really low order number, because I purchased within minutes. I will probably give it till the first few days in July, and if I don't hear anything... yeah....

I am in the same boat as you pikeadz... low 45XX order ( < 4520). If I don't get shipping info in the first few days of July, I am probably going to put in a refund request... or at least see if I can get a refund on half my order. With a May delivery date and no raw chip orders, this deal was a no-brainer. Now it takes a lot of brain to figure out what the options are.

Just figure out a hashrate where at such point delivery would become unbearable, and cancel before then if not delivered by that point.

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Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 08:15:41 AM

I am in the same boat as you pikeadz... low 45XX order ( < 4520). If I don't get shipping info in the first few days of July, I am probably going to put in a refund request... or at least see if I can get a refund on half my order. With a May delivery date and no raw chip orders, this deal was a no-brainer. Now it takes a lot of brain to figure out what the options are.

Same here, 45xx

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Quote from: pikeadz on June 25, 2013, 07:35:21 AM

I am on the fence. I have a really low order number, because I purchased within minutes. I will probably give it till the first few days in July, and if I don't hear anything... yeah....

I am in the same boat as you pikeadz... low 45XX order ( < 4520). If I don't get shipping info in the first few days of July, I am probably going to put in a refund request... or at least see if I can get a refund on half my order. With a May delivery date and no raw chip orders, this deal was a no-brainer. Now it takes a lot of brain to figure out what the options are.

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Quote from: Wayne_Chang on June 25, 2013, 07:34:30 AM

Quote from: dan99 on June 25, 2013, 06:31:22 AM

if Yifu suggest refund getting your money back is a far better option ... ya go for refund

Problem is somebody issued a ticket asked for refund. 6 days passed, no reply, no action.

This has me worried also. - I think either way batch#3 customers are gonna get fucked over... Sad

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I am on the fence. I have a really low order number, because I purchased within minutes. I will probably give it till the first few days in July, and if I don't hear anything... yeah....

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Quote from: dan99 on June 25, 2013, 06:31:22 AM

if Yifu suggest refund getting your money back is a far better option ... ya go for refund

Problem is somebody issued a ticket asked for refund. 6 days passed, no reply, no action.

jspielberg

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Correct... I didn't want to have to predict when difficulty transitions would occur, so I made it continuous. I figured the "correct" difficulty would be in the time range nearby.

It may be pessimistic, but I have found it useful for my own thinking. Obviously the exponential can't continue forever, but I think the trend for the next 6 months shows no signs of slowing.

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Quote from: jspielberg on June 25, 2013, 06:38:09 AM

I created a spreadsheet with exponential difficulty projections here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Auya3iRE6az1dG9fRkpXdFJtT1dNX0VCU1F0VFFUX3c#gid=8
...

Because your model recalculates difficulty every day, there is a problem calculating earnings. Earnings per day have to be calculated using a difficulty of that whole retarget period. Since you are changing difficulty daily, earnings are accordingly lower. And your model is 'speeding ahead' even for past data.

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