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legendary
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October 28, 2024, 03:44:43 PM
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I really don't know why you guys are being skeptical about this vini issue with the ballon Dior I mean they have been other players who have been robbed off their glory when ot comes to the ballon Dior like robben, sneider even iniesta the year he won the world cup with Spain and also lifted the champions league and both their la Liga title. So I would definitely not be surprised if the award is given to any other than vini besides I think the criteria still fall under votes to be casted by top football official like coaches and many so for me that award is certainly over rated.
This kind of reward is sometimes considered unfair for various reasons, and is even referred to as robbery. Vinicius is certainly a strong candidate given his portfolio of success with the club, but it wouldn't be surprising if another player wins it. Remembering that the winner is determined by the number of votes, so whoever is considered better by the number of voters will win. But before that, I didn't know exactly what criteria would win this award, whether it was the number of goals scored in a season or the number of titles won by the candidate.

I just noticed that several potential winners from Real Madrid were not present at the event. They were pessimistic about winning and chose not to be invited. But whoever wins it later, I think it's the best based on voters.
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October 28, 2024, 03:42:48 PM
It's totally unfair France football are just doing Rigging In the Ballon Dor. Vinic is totally eligible for the Ballon dor and he deserves to be the winner because he had an awesome season with real Madrid. He scored 26 goals in 49 match and contributed a lot for a team. He won UEFA champions league title as well la Liga and Spanish Super cup. While Rodri also won major trophy. But earlier FIFA's cretaria was Uefa Champion Leagu/Internatiol trophy but now character wise they also placed cretaria which is an unnatural stance. If it is not given to Ballon dor Vini and because he is a caracter less buddy, it will be a complete loss of rights. It will be the biggest robbery by FIFA. Ballon Dor was not given to a deserving player, this phrase should be remembered in history as the biggest robbery. Now we will see the winner will be announced within a few hours.
Yeah it gonna be unfair if he doesn't win it ... that's a big IF though,I don't know how they get to know about that because it's suppose to be a secret (isn't that supposed to be questioned... source claim it's secret Tongue) and at the same time what if it's was intentional to make him win it ( not saying it is but what if), I expect him to win it though but we need to question how they get the info and at the same time making it obvious that there was a mole sharing the info, it's no big deal though as it not something of a classified top secret but it's still secret and if what they say is true then they all knew who's gonna win all this year but attend pretending no to know about it Tongue ... how many club know about this with the IF.
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October 28, 2024, 03:36:35 PM
Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?
I don't know the kind of criteria that FIFA set for the Ballon d'Or Award this season, that Vinicius Junior didn't fall as the most chosen player for this year's World Best Players award. Learning about the Ballon d'Or Award was given to another fella, "Rodri," makes me feel like this is a daytime robbery that happened to Real Madrid, given how most people thought Vinicius Junior had the upper hand for the ward, based on his contributions to his club and country on Individual Performance, Team Performance and Class and Fair Play.

Vinicius Junior falls in and has a better record on the three criteria used for the Ballon d'Or Award. Having Rodri be the better candidate for the award in late minutes, looks suspicious.

I really don't know why you guys are being skeptical about this vini issue with the ballon Dior I mean they have been other players who have been robbed off their glory when ot comes to the ballon Dior like robben, sneider even iniesta the year he won the world cup with Spain and also lifted the champions league and both their la Liga title. So I would definitely not be surprised if the award is given to any other than vini besides I think the criteria still fall under votes to be casted by top football official like coaches and many so for me that award is certainly over rated.
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October 28, 2024, 03:28:54 PM

Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?

You have got to be kidding me. Are you by any chance mistaking Real Madrid for Barcelona because how many Ballon d’Or did Christiano Ronaldo win in Real Madrid? or should I put it this way how many Ballon d’Or do you think was robbed of Ronaldo when he was at Real Madrid. I love Madrid and they have very good PR team but they have not influenced the Ballon d’Or result in a very long time. If they had the power, Christiano Ronaldo would have won the Ballon d’Or every year.
Actually CR7's victory is not in doubt for this Ballon D'Or, but it does not rule out the possibility that Messi could accept it .
for the Real Madrid problem which actually affects CR7 in getting the Ballon D'Or where if there is no solid team then no goal will be scored by CR7.
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October 28, 2024, 03:02:58 PM
Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?
Approaching this matter from the two sides of a coin I'll say yes or no about if Real Madrid were robbed in this year Balon D'or award. Vini jnr has contributed so much to the record breaking victory of Real Madrid in winning the champions league and the Laliga trophy simultaneously which is something to interest us with but internationally he has really made much impact on his national team side, the South America cup competition Brazil couldn't get to the final stage not to mention winning it. And I think it's part of what the officials incharge in the Balon D'or award has to beam their searchlight towards Rodri the Spaniard who was able to help his national team win the Euro tournament and winning the EPL too.

I think a lot of people already realise that everything that's going on now is a bit of a circus on Vinicius' part, and it will be if he really doesn't come to the ceremony and all the rumours about his inappropriate behaviour are confirmed, I really hope that he will at least adequately justify everything later. As for the fairness of the award - also debatable, Rodri though helped the team win the league, helped the national team win the championship, but I think that's very little compared to how Vinicius is playing
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October 28, 2024, 02:52:11 PM
If Vinicius Jr didn't win this time Ballon d'Or award, this is just like a day time robbery, he is the most deserved player to win this award, I wonder why they rigg him out just because he hasn't had much of contribution on the country side, let's fast-forward back into 2010 that Lionel Messi won the FIFA Ballon, that supposedly should have been won by Wesley sneijder back then, what was the performance of Argentina Lionel Messi and Argentina, I think at some point, the official of this very award plays politics.
Actually I regret a little if Vini does not get the Ballon d'Or for this season because we must agree that his performance clearly proves that he deserves this achievement but when you see Fabrizio's video it seems that this is certainly true especially with the claim that Vini will not attend this event because it is certain not to get the Ballon d'Or has given a big throw to the public that this is indeed confirmed.

I actually see that the winner of the Ballon d'Or this season is between Rodri and Vini but when Vini has been confirmed not to be the winner then it is certain that now Rodri is the one who will get it because if between these 2 players did not manage to become the winner then this is indeed outrageous and needs to be asked how the assessment for the Ballon d'Or.
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October 28, 2024, 02:09:42 PM
Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?
I don't know the kind of criteria that FIFA set for the Ballon d'Or Award this season, that Vinicius Junior didn't fall as the most chosen player for this year's World Best Players award. Learning about the Ballon d'Or Award was given to another fella, "Rodri," makes me feel like this is a daytime robbery that happened to Real Madrid, given how most people thought Vinicius Junior had the upper hand for the ward, based on his contributions to his club and country on Individual Performance, Team Performance and Class and Fair Play.

Vinicius Junior falls in and has a better record on the three criteria used for the Ballon d'Or Award. Having Rodri be the better candidate for the award in late minutes, looks suspicious.
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October 28, 2024, 02:08:56 PM
If Vinicius Jr didn't win this time Ballon d'Or award, this is just like a day time robbery, he is the most deserved player to win this award, I wonder why they rigg him out just because he hasn't had much of contribution on the country side, let's fast-forward back into 2010 that Lionel Messi won the FIFA Ballon, that supposedly should have been won by Wesley sneijder back then, what was the performance of Argentina Lionel Messi and Argentina, I think at some point, the official of this very award plays politics.

Club performance isn't the only strategy that's used to award the ballon d'or, it can be in years that there's no country tournaments happening but in years that there's intentional football happening, we shouldn't expect the organizers to consider only club football. There rae many players that the award can be given to and they deserve it as much as Vinicius jnr deserved the award too. What contribution did he give to his country that makes him to deserve the award. He wasn't even the best player in Real Madrid last season neither was he the best player in La liga. We shouldn't think that everything is about racism and Real Madrid aren't the only club in the world with good players.

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October 28, 2024, 01:31:57 PM
Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?
Approaching this matter from the two sides of a coin I'll say yes or no about if Real Madrid were robbed in this year Balon D'or award. Vini jnr has contributed so much to the record breaking victory of Real Madrid in winning the champions league and the Laliga trophy simultaneously which is something to interest us with but internationally he has really made much impact on his national team side, the South America cup competition Brazil couldn't get to the final stage not to mention winning it. And I think it's part of what the officials incharge in the Balon D'or award has to beam their searchlight towards Rodri the Spaniard who was able to help his national team win the Euro tournament and winning the EPL too.
It was an obvious robbery because no other footballer had a better
performance this  year than Vinicius Jr did but the organizers of the award decided to award who they thought deserved it better and that decision I think was influenced because in recent times, reports has it that Vinicius Jr was going to win the award until this morning that contrary reports began to hit the media. Apart from winning the UEFA Champions League and Spanish La Liga titles, Vinicius Jr have easily been the best player on the pitch in the most crucial games of Real Madrid in the last one year.
I think missing out from winning the award will definitely affect the confidence of Vinicius Jr but I believe the Brazilian to continue delivering world class performances.
First of all, I think it is very necessary to educate us on how the Ballon D'or system works so that we do not start casting aspersions on the officials thereby making the system look corrupt. There is a voting process involved in the Ballon D'or which allows coaches, captains, players, journalist also to make their choice about whom they feel should be the best player in the world or in Europe and it is this same process that has produced most of the winners of this prestigious award, so I wonder why somebody would feel cheated over a system that is as open as this, I think vinicius jnr deserves to be the winner tonight but other people think otherwise and have a justifiable reason for choosing Rodri and I respect that.
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October 28, 2024, 01:26:34 PM
If Vinicius Jr didn't win this time Ballon d'Or award, this is just like a day time robbery, he is the most deserved player to win this award, I wonder why they rigg him out just because he hasn't had much of contribution on the country side, let's fast-forward back into 2010 that Lionel Messi won the FIFA Ballon, that supposedly should have been won by Wesley sneijder back then, what was the performance of Argentina Lionel Messi and Argentina, I think at some point, the official of this very award plays politics.

This year Balon D'or award is one of the confused one I have witnessed but I want to believe the criteria they are disqualifying him is going to be national trophy as he couldn't win anything for Brazil, his performance were based on club contributions but it's really funny how they came up and gave the award to Rodri, why not give the same thing to Carvahal since they are using that criteria to award Rodri. I mean this guys are confused but Ronaldo has said it that it's has loss it credibility and now I'm beginning to understand it.

Some people on my X timeline are has been hating since Real Madrid loss that game, it's understandable that Vinicious is arrogant but you can't blame him for that, Spanish people are very cruel to the guy and he definitely need to fight back racism. If that's what they are also using to disqualify him then they need to do better and congratulations to Rodri, Haaland and others can celebrate together I think.  Grin
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October 28, 2024, 01:14:23 PM
Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?
Approaching this matter from the two sides of a coin I'll say yes or no about if Real Madrid were robbed in this year Balon D'or award. Vini jnr has contributed so much to the record breaking victory of Real Madrid in winning the champions league and the Laliga trophy simultaneously which is something to interest us with but internationally he has really made much impact on his national team side, the South America cup competition Brazil couldn't get to the final stage not to mention winning it. And I think it's part of what the officials incharge in the Balon D'or award has to beam their searchlight towards Rodri the Spaniard who was able to help his national team win the Euro tournament and winning the EPL too.
It was an obvious robbery because no other footballer had a better
performance this  year than Vinicius Jr did but the organizers of the award decided to award who they thought deserved it better and that decision I think was influenced because in recent times, reports has it that Vinicius Jr was going to win the award until this morning that contrary reports began to hit the media. Apart from winning the UEFA Champions League and Spanish La Liga titles, Vinicius Jr have easily been the best player on the pitch in the most crucial games of Real Madrid in the last one year.
I think missing out from winning the award will definitely affect the confidence of Vinicius Jr but I believe the Brazilian to continue delivering world class performances.
If Vinicius Jr didn't win this time Ballon d'Or award, this is just like a day time robbery, he is the most deserved player to win this award, I wonder why they rigg him out just because he hasn't had much of contribution on the country side, let's fast-forward back into 2010 that Lionel Messi won the FIFA Ballon, that supposedly should have been won by Wesley sneijder back then, what was the performance of Argentina Lionel Messi and Argentina, I think at some point, the official of this very award plays politics.
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October 28, 2024, 01:14:02 PM
Vinicius not winning the Ballon d'Or is shocking plus a bit of injustice.  After the Messi-Ronaldo era, it's actually hard to guess a clear Ballon d'Or winner.  Here Criterion is going to tie last year.  Champions League and club success is never enough for international tournaments.  And if that's the Euro, it's definitely heavier than the Champions League.  But here the point remains that Lautaro's success at the club including international tournaments is more than Rodri's at the individual level.  Rodri is not the only individual best in Spain.  Lamin was the key to the success of the Spanish team.  Rodri was MVP for Midfield Excellence.
Now come to why I said this is injustice on Viniciach.
The UCL that Real Madrid won last season was a totally Vinicius dominated tournament.   Last season, Madrid's sporting project was led by Vinny.  Yes, the number may not be Messi Ronaldo level but he had an impactful number at the club level.
Since the Ballon d'Or is voted on, I see the only reason why Vini won't win is his bad arrogant side besides his talent.  Growing bad image.  Get unduly attached to opposing players, match officials on the field.  Messi was humbled by several talents from Ronaldo.  Handling elite media was another skill of theirs.   Madrid PR tried but Vini was brought down by himself.
Journalists vote on preference.  And this is where the Latin Vini loses to Rodri of Europe, otherwise, in the criteria that Rodri comes first in the same criteria, another Latin Lautaro is 5-6 times ahead of Rodri.
 So overall this Ballon d'Or was certainly deserving of Viniciach.  Now Barca fans or Argentinian rival fans like this thing so much because Vinicius got an opportunity to troll.  And that's only natural because he bragged to Gabi in the Clasico that I'll lift the ball on Monday.  And this is a clear boast.  Although the Ballon candidate flexes with the Ballon d'Or, I have not seen him brag about the Ballon d'Or.
 Only when Ronaldo made 5-5, Khali Siu said, then he did not come to the top 3.  Ballon is not a pride but a proud achievement.  Vinisiach hopes to learn from this and grow earlier.  He will come to the podium as a hard worker.  With a heavier stat.  And if there is a miracle.  It's okay if you win.  He is deserving more than anyone.  I still can't believe the twist.
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October 28, 2024, 01:11:01 PM

Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?

There's no doubt that Vinicius Jr had an excellent season and well deserves to win the prestigious award. But then, people vote it and Vinicius Junior is not widely loved. In the other hand, Rodri who is rumour to win it also had a fantastic season but he's more reserved and calm.
If Vini Junior didn't win this, there'll be more problems in the Madrid camp because he will not rest and allow Mbappe this season.
What makes Real Madrid feel that none of their nominees will win Ballon d'or, especially Vini. I know that maybe, it was because of the humiliation that Barcelona gave to them on El Clasico, that will be the cause, or they have an insider who have told them, that Rodri stands a better chance of winning it than Vini. Tonight, we shall see who the next ballon d'or winner will be.
It's totally unfair France football are just doing Rigging In the Ballon Dor. Vinic is totally eligible for the Ballon dor and he deserves to be the winner because he had an awesome season with real Madrid. He scored 26 goals in 49 match and contributed a lot for a team. He won UEFA champions league title as well la Liga and Spanish Super cup. While Rodri also won major trophy. But earlier FIFA's cretaria was Uefa Champion Leagu/Internatiol trophy but now character wise they also placed cretaria which is an unnatural stance. If it is not given to Ballon dor Vini and because he is a caracter less buddy, it will be a complete loss of rights. It will be the biggest robbery by FIFA. Ballon Dor was not given to a deserving player, this phrase should be remembered in history as the biggest robbery. Now we will see the winner will be announced within a few hours.
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October 28, 2024, 12:38:59 PM
Lautaro Martinez is even supposed to be above everyone else with a big advantage, which was winning the world cup..
Do you watch football?
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October 28, 2024, 12:37:10 PM
Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?
Approaching this matter from the two sides of a coin I'll say yes or no about if Real Madrid were robbed in this year Balon D'or award. Vini jnr has contributed so much to the record breaking victory of Real Madrid in winning the champions league and the Laliga trophy simultaneously which is something to interest us with but internationally he has really made much impact on his national team side, the South America cup competition Brazil couldn't get to the final stage not to mention winning it. And I think it's part of what the officials incharge in the Balon D'or award has to beam their searchlight towards Rodri the Spaniard who was able to help his national team win the Euro tournament and winning the EPL too.
It was an obvious robbery because no other footballer had a better
performance this  year than Vinicius Jr did but the organizers of the award decided to award who they thought deserved it better and that decision I think was influenced because in recent times, reports has it that Vinicius Jr was going to win the award until this morning that contrary reports began to hit the media. Apart from winning the UEFA Champions League and Spanish La Liga titles, Vinicius Jr have easily been the best player on the pitch in the most crucial games of Real Madrid in the last one year.
I think missing out from winning the award will definitely affect the confidence of Vinicius Jr but I believe the Brazilian to continue delivering world class performances.
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October 28, 2024, 12:28:32 PM

Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?

You have got to be kidding me. Are you by any chance mistaking Real Madrid for Barcelona because how many Ballon d’Or did Christiano Ronaldo win in Real Madrid? or should I put it this way how many Ballon d’Or do you think was robbed of Ronaldo when he was at Real Madrid. I love Madrid and they have very good PR team but they have not influenced the Ballon d’Or result in a very long time. If they had the power, Christiano Ronaldo would have won the Ballon d’Or every year.
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October 28, 2024, 12:11:41 PM
Recently Goal.com released news regarding the rankings of potential players who might be selected for the upcoming Ballon d'Or 2024 and ranked 20 players, reminder as this event will take appart in October 28th, 2024. Here's the list of the top 10 players:

1. Bellingham
2. Foden
3. Mbappé
4. Haaland
5. Rodri
6. Kane
7. Vinicius Jr
8. Griezmann
9. Wirtz
10. Saka

In my opinion, there is still time to determine this season's winner of the trophy. However, with Foden and Haaland already out of the Champions League getting disqualified by Bellingham's teammates, and Mbappé who sits at third place in the list, also passing to the semi-finals and scoring two goals against Barcelona, it's more likely that Bellingham and Mbappé have better chances for the trophy this year.
Although upcoming events may influence these players performances either positively or negatively, it’s likely that the winner of Champions League may have more chances for it.

News link: goal.com

If I should make a rearrangement on this list, my idea would be Bellingham at the top after which kane should be the next then mbappe and foden, others can come after, Haaland just started been impressive consistently,, although he has in his previous teams but talking about adding consistency to the game, he started recently after coming to Manchester City meanwhile the most consistent of them all should be kane, even in the midst of a team that was struggling at some point, Kane didn't fail to make personal achievements that kept him standing out in the whole of their league and sometimes across Europe, I think he's been consistent enough to be deserving except for outstanding brilliance Bellingham shouldn't be topping that list, this is my opinion though.
Mentioning that Haaland, Kane, Foden and Bellingham should be ahead of a player that Rodri means that you are one of the problems of football. Football is not all about the person that kicks the football into the net, you cannot underestimate the effort of Rodri in Manchester City midfield and as well as the Spanish national team midfield. Rodri is a figure and has been consistent in his business last season. Winning the Europe best player should be a signal that he can be the Ballon D'or winner. The only player that I can pick ahead of Rodri is vinicius junior and not the other guys you called.
Even Cavajal should compete favourably than the other guys you mentioned. No doubt everyone who made the list had a fantastic season.
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October 28, 2024, 12:02:20 PM
Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?
Approaching this matter from the two sides of a coin I'll say yes or no about if Real Madrid were robbed in this year Balon D'or award. Vini jnr has contributed so much to the record breaking victory of Real Madrid in winning the champions league and the Laliga trophy simultaneously which is something to interest us with but internationally he has really made much impact on his national team side, the South America cup competition Brazil couldn't get to the final stage not to mention winning it. And I think it's part of what the officials incharge in the Balon D'or award has to beam their searchlight towards Rodri the Spaniard who was able to help his national team win the Euro tournament and winning the EPL too.
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October 28, 2024, 11:41:45 AM

Does Real Madrid believe that they are robbed or what? In the history of Balon D'or, Real Madrid is known for influencing it. Have they lost their powers now?

There's no doubt that Vinicius Jr had an excellent season and well deserves to win the prestigious award. But then, people vote it and Vinicius Junior is not widely loved. In the other hand, Rodri who is rumour to win it also had a fantastic season but he's more reserved and calm.
If Vini Junior didn't win this, there'll be more problems in the Madrid camp because he will not rest and allow Mbappe this season.

Friend what? You were in a coma for over 30 years and you still have those stereotypes? If you look at the last 15 years, Real has been in opposition to UEFA/FIFA and FIFA's son Messi has been receiving Balloon d'Ors like on a conveyor belt.
I don't know anything about this news yet, it looks like exaggeration and empty hype, although Fabrizio Romano is often right.
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October 28, 2024, 11:34:36 AM
For a few weeks, it was expected that Vini Jr. would receive the award this year. There were even reports that he had been notified in advance. But according to the tweets an hour ago and the leaked list, Rodri got the award.
Honestly... I saw them flashbacks on my cellphone and I was like damnnnn, vini finally broke the monopoly in the most famous messi-ronlado era as this will be the beginning of the END, but the highlights today spoke a different language as vini was shifted to the second priority level. I don't wanna conclude since I'm tryna wrap up with something for now, but I'll check what the outcome was...

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I hope this is true, because Rodri deserved this award much more. Vini was also good last season, but as a striker he didn't have the stats to win the Ballon d'Or. Lautaro Martinez was way ahead in the statistics. Rodri, as a defensive player, made a huge contribution to the score.
Lautaro Martinez is even supposed to be above everyone else with a big advantage, which was winning the world cup..
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The announcement that no one from Real Madrid will attend the ceremony is a disgrace. But this is in keeping with Real Madrid's stance, such an ugly community deserves nothing.
hold on a sec, did the club make this restrictions in disgust to the change in trophy winner? If yes, then it's not really a good way to react IMHO. Unless, they were able to find vital evidences of some type of pay-to-drift system, that's not even necessary.
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