[BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014 - page 240.

jl777

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Quote from: otila on October 07, 2014, 05:06:28 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 04:50:52 PM

i am just offering a choice
i notice that people tend to feel quite strongly about which cipher is better and i prefer to avoid getting involved in such debates
my method allows people to choose their cipher (or cipher sequence)
the code is still not debugged yet, I just wrote the MofNfs calls yesterday, really as a good way to test the DHT calls I coded over the weekend.

is there a C library for the key derivation?

If you let users pick from ten options, they pick the best one in 10% of the cases Grin

https://password-hashing.net/candidates.html
Source code in C and specs in pdf.
Candidates support same kind of calling convention, but this competition is still a work-in-progress.
PHS(K, kLen, pwd, pwdLen, salt, saltLen, t_cost, m_cost))

These things are being discussed on Usenet group comp.security.phc
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.phc

EDIT: related a bit, maybe gives you ideas https://minilock.io/

i doubt many users will be invoking the SuperNET API from command line. So the GUI designer can choose which cipher to use, etc. Let us hope the GUI designers have a better chance than 10%

that minilock looks really cool! No reason it cant be done in the GUI and then the save/restore calls would be with already encrypted data, so no need to use the built in encryption.

I already have the libtom and nacl libs integrated so just allowing API access to it, nothing forces people to use any of these 18 ciphers if they dont want to.

Anyway, thanks for the URLs

James

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Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 05:06:51 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:59:43 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:48:55 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

It would make sense if you guys came up with the tech and the hard work. You didn't. You paid cryptographers (gmaxwell ?) to vet the whitepaper, which is your only contribution to date. So we all have to suffer that shit of a fork, when the guy who did most of the hard work is right here and improving and striving to improve everyday.

So much for leaders.

twistelaar

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Well I sold my BBR. Good luck with it!

smooth

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Quote from: windjc on October 07, 2014, 05:08:27 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 05:06:51 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:59:43 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:48:55 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

Except when comparing XMR to BBR, both are so tiny and insignificant, it hardly matters who is currently "in the lead."

Apparently it does, because the relative positions have been persistent for a reasonable amount of time (only months but months are significant here IMO). I guess you will probably blame that on paranoid conspiracy theories or something along those lines, but I believe my explanation is sound and more likely to be more valid. That is obviously just opinion and I could certainly be wrong. If I were not involved at all in either coin, simply as an observer with some weak grasp of economic perspectives I would say the exact same thing.

twistelaar

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HOLD OR SELL PEOPLE? TELL ME

windjc

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Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 04:53:53 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

I am looking to hire someone to explain things in proper form. Alas, it is not one of my skills.

+1 awesome. The greatest minds are often those that realize where their weaknesses are and surround themselves with the complimentary pieces. I wish I was qualified to write the whitepaper for you James, I'd do it for free. I just dont have the experience or expertise to help. I look forward to seeing who you hire.

smooth

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Quote from: Este Nuno on October 07, 2014, 05:03:45 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

Do you feel confused about how superNET is supposed to work on a technical level, or what it's attempting to offer on the user level?

All of the above, but also if you read the superNET asset documents there is a lot more going on than just "technical level." I'm sure that all the pieces fit together somehow in James's mind and that he believes it is all very compelling, but very few if any other people on this planet have been able to comprehend it.

twistelaar

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simple question, HOLD or SELL BBR? I see price dropped a lot..

windjc

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Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 05:06:51 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:59:43 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:48:55 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

Except when comparing XMR to BBR, both are so tiny and insignificant, it hardly matters who is currently "in the lead."

smooth

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Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:59:43 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:48:55 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such.

It has been asked and answered many times, but often closed mindedness and conspiracy theorizing, and viewing everything through a prism of believing every comment to be FUD or hate or shilling causes people to reject the obvious valid answer.

Small technical advantages don't, in general, allow a follower to overtake a leader. This is true in any market. It takes more than that. If the advantages become greater, or if the leader stumbles, then the follower can overtake, but rarely otherwise. This does not mean the follower can't still do quite well. Litecoin does quite well, as do #2 leaders in almost every market.

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Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 04:50:52 PM

i am just offering a choice
i notice that people tend to feel quite strongly about which cipher is better and i prefer to avoid getting involved in such debates
my method allows people to choose their cipher (or cipher sequence)
the code is still not debugged yet, I just wrote the MofNfs calls yesterday, really as a good way to test the DHT calls I coded over the weekend.

is there a C library for the key derivation?

If you let users pick from ten options, they pick the best one in 10% of the cases Grin

https://password-hashing.net/candidates.html
Source code in C and specs in pdf.
Candidates support same kind of calling convention, but this competition is still a work-in-progress.
PHS(K, kLen, pwd, pwdLen, salt, saltLen, t_cost, m_cost))

These things are being discussed on Usenet group comp.security.phc
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.phc

EDIT: related a bit, maybe gives you ideas https://minilock.io/

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Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

Do you feel confused about how superNET is supposed to work on a technical level, or what it's attempting to offer on the user level?

Este Nuno

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Quote from: sonoIO on October 07, 2014, 04:50:25 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

It did cross my mind also. My concerns is that BBR is about to be connected on non-POW network, which raises questions of cheaper transactions there and whatnot. Everything today is created with best intentions but i personally do not see POS networks too stable, as i tried to ilustrate here

Quote from: sonoIO on July 31, 2014, 10:18:16 AM

I don't see that concern being any different that saying you're not comfortable being on Poloniex with PoS coins. If you're worried about someone attacking a PoS coin like BTCD and then double spending it or something it's not something that's going to have any sort of direct effect on BBR(not that I think that's likely to happen at all with BTCD). Can't imagine superNET being designed in such a way that some flaw in PoS could translate in to some sort of flaw in BBR.

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Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:48:55 PM

Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

It is the diamond. But my question was more along the lines of why is it not seen as such. That signature doesn't change with BBR monetary valuation.

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In all seriousness, it is an open source projects, just like XMR (only different). The coin is a reflection of where you think that project is going and what that will be worth. People obviously have different opinions about the merits of this "fundraising" that didn't happen, so they are trading on that.

I happen to believe all this latest drama is a bunch of noise over not much of anything other than a few people who were looking for a faster payoff not getting it. Unless you were one of them

Yah I am intrigued by your thoughts and would like to subscribe to your shill letter. Please get tired of acting like a dick all day, for one day Roll Eyes

jl777

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Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

I am looking to hire someone to explain things in proper form. Alas, it is not one of my skills.

jl777

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Quote from: sonoIO on October 07, 2014, 04:50:25 PM

Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

It did cross my mind also. My concerns is that BBR is about to be connected on non-POW network, which raises questions of cheaper transactions there and whatnot. Everything today is created with best intentions but i personally do not see POS networks too stable, as i tried to ilustrate here

Quote from: sonoIO on July 31, 2014, 10:18:16 AM

what does PoS network have to do with anything?
BBR will be accessed, probably via RPC, so whatever connections it has, it already has

jl777

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Quote from: otila on October 07, 2014, 04:41:32 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 04:12:49 PM

it uses the ascii char val to choose the cipher to use. so if you have a 4 char pin code, this will map to using 4 of the ciphers. I apply it iteratively to the output of the previous cipher.

not sure how even 18 times becomes over 100 times slower, maybe AES is 10 times faster? if you like AES just use a one char pin code that maps to AES. it is up to the user. anyway the code is already done and it didnt bloat things that much.

gnutls-cli --benchmark-ciphers says
3DES-CBC 21.39 MB/sec, AES-128-GCM 1.39 GB/sec

I still have absolutely no idea why someone would want to do it like you are doing.
Maybe you also want to use a key derivation function (KDF), scrypt or better? https://password-hashing.net/
Or was that your code already Final Release? Bummer. Cry

i am just offering a choice
i notice that people tend to feel quite strongly about which cipher is better and i prefer to avoid getting involved in such debates
my method allows people to choose their cipher (or cipher sequence)
the code is still not debugged yet, I just wrote the MofNfs calls yesterday, really as a good way to test the DHT calls I coded over the weekend.

is there a C library for the key derivation?

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Quote from: smooth on October 07, 2014, 04:32:40 PM

Quote from: jl777 on October 07, 2014, 03:50:22 PM

SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.

My concerns is that BBR is about to be connected on non-POW network, which raises questions of cheaper transactions there and whatnot. Everything today is created with best intentions but i personally do not see POS networks too stable, as i tried to ilustrate here

Quote from: sonoIO on July 31, 2014, 10:18:16 AM

smooth

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Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin.

You've already declared it to be the diamond in your signature, so how why ask now?

In all seriousness, it is an open source project, just like XMR (only different). The coin is a reflection of where you think that project is going and what that will be worth. People obviously have different opinions about the merits of this "fundraising" that didn't happen, so they are trading on that.

I happen to believe all this latest drama is a bunch of noise over not much of anything other than a few people who were looking for a faster payoff not getting it. Unless you were one of them

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Quote from: slapper on October 07, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin. Why do people dump regardless of what direction it goes or wants to go. Last night's 50k dump was the first surreptitious dump, other times people are so pissed off they come and announce that they are dumping or have dumped, for one reason or another (see past posts of some of the regulars and some which are now deleted unfortunately e.g a guy called AdamWhite who dumped a few days ago when he said CZ isn't behaving).

Is there any reason for this coin to exist? If so, what is the correct valuation?

it exists because CZ wants it to exists; it is relevant because CZ seems to have intimate knowledge of the CN technology; it will gain value when CZ understands that the crypto community favors transparency and openness over his coding skills.

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