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Topic: [BBR] Boolberry: Privacy and Security - Guaranteed Since 2014 - page 241. (Read 1210750 times)

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it uses the ascii char val  to choose the cipher to use. so if you have a 4 char pin code, this will map to using 4 of the ciphers. I apply it iteratively to the output of the previous cipher.

not sure how even 18 times becomes over 100 times slower, maybe AES is 10 times faster? if you like AES just use a one char pin code that maps to AES. it is up to the user. anyway the code is already done and it didnt bloat things that much.

gnutls-cli --benchmark-ciphers says
3DES-CBC 21.39 MB/sec, AES-128-GCM 1.39 GB/sec

I still have absolutely no idea why someone would want to do it like you are doing.
Maybe you also want to use a key derivation function (KDF), scrypt or better? https://password-hashing.net/
Or was that your code already Final Release? Bummer. Cry
legendary
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At this point, I'd like to sincerely understand what is wrong with this coin. Why do people dump regardless of what direction it goes or wants to go. Last night's 50k dump was the first surreptitious dump, other times people are so pissed off they come and announce that they are dumping or have dumped, for one reason or another (see past posts of some of the regulars and some which are now deleted unfortunately e.g a guy called AdamWhite who dumped a few days ago when he said CZ isn't behaving).

Is there any reason for this coin to exist? If so, what is the correct valuation?
legendary
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SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?

Apparently he doesn't (nor do I, although I do understand teleport, after a lot of effort to do so) and this appears to be a common thread with your projects. Think about that. Just a bit of constructive criticism here. If it sounds like an attack it isn't meant that way at all.



legendary
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James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.
you really dont understand...

I am supporting BBR for what it is.

One part of SuperNET is as a network and connecting different crypto's is what it does. Since BBR is a crypto, connecting to it is part of what SuperNET does. Once it is properly connected, then all of SuperNET is able to connect to BBR.

so, think of it like a cellphone network where each network can only call phones in its network. vodaphone vs ATT vs Tmobile
imagine that you cant call from vodaphone to ATT, or from any network to another. this is what crypto is now.

now the SuperNET allows all the networks to talk to each other. So this makes the vodaphone, ATT and Tmobile phones all get the ability they didnt have before. Regardless of what vodaphone thinks of ATT, how is it worse off by having the option of being able to call users from the other network?

this is what "intertwined with SuperNET" is. Do you not want BBR to be connected to the other users? You want BBR island?

James

What is the incentive for holding BBR then if I can get the functionality via SuperNET?

Edit: And let me guess, SuperNET will replenish BBR holdings from time to time once it's spent, acting as a "centralized" shop like multipools  Roll Eyes Is that what we need for BBR?
without BBR you cant use the BBR.
SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?
it is the network that binds the coins
if people on the SuperNET want to use cryptonote functionality, then they would use BBR in this process. How can you take BBR out of this equation?


Slapper, SuperNet is just a vehicle where more people will be exposed to and hopefully use BBR. Everytime someone wants complete anonymous transaction through Supernet they will have to use BBR. Meaning they will have to own BBR. Supernet has a holding of BBR as a long term investment. That is not BBR that will be used by Supernet users.

So lets say 1000 people are using Supernet (fairly low # since there were like 800 some original buyers of it). Thats 1000 people that may want to make anonymous transactions within the Supernet eco-system (Privabet etc) or outside of it. Thats 1000 people who need to buy BBR to do so. You realize the potential implications of this, right?
legendary
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           cipherids = (password % NUM_CIPHERS);  // choose one of 18 ciphers
8<
The following are the ciphers:
    "aes","blowfish","xtea","rc5","rc6","saferp","twofish","safer_k64","safer_sk64","safer_k128",
    "safer_sk128","rc2","des3","cast5","noekeon","skipjack","khazad","anubis","rijndael"

But why?

Why not just AES? And do you realize how much RC2 sucks, and SAFER-(S)K64 has 64 bit key size?
does having different ciphers hurt? it allows short (user rememberable passwords to "salt" things)
unless any of these ciphers have been cracked, using them means that all the ciphers would need to be cracked.
using just AES means if AES is cracked then all the files are cracked.

so is having a sucky RC2 and a weak 64 bit layer in addition to AES worse than just AES?

cipherids = (password % NUM_CIPHERS);
cipherids and password are not used inside the loop, who knows what it's supposed to do.
And how do you calculate modulus of char*? password does not change, so cipherids is the same, too.

What are you doing, encrypting the same plaintext 18 times with different ciphers?
Besides bloating the code, it would be over 100 times slower than just using AES (+AES-NI), and think if someone wants to reimplement this part of the code using Haskell or something Tongue
i simplified the code before posting:

Code:
            (*cipheridsp)[i]= (password[i] % NUM_CIPHERS);

it uses the ascii char val  to choose the cipher to use. so if you have a 4 char pin code, this will map to using 4 of the ciphers. I apply it iteratively to the output of the previous cipher.

not sure how even 18 times becomes over 100 times slower, maybe AES is 10 times faster? if you like AES just use a one char pin code that maps to AES. it is up to the user. anyway the code is already done and it didnt bloat things that much.

James

here is the inner loop that applies the ciphers:
Code:
    for (j=0; j    {
        i = (decrypt != 0) ? (n-1-j) : j;
        cipher_idx = (cipherids[i] % NUM_CIPHERS);
        ivsize = cipher_descriptor[cipher_idx].block_length;
        ks = (int32_t)hash_descriptor[hash_idx].hashsize;
        if ( cipher_descriptor[cipher_idx].keysize(&ks) != CRYPT_OK )
        {
            printf("ciphers_codec: Invalid keysize???\n");
            return(0);
        }
        outlen = sizeof(key);
        if ( (errno= hash_memory(hash_idx,(uint8_t *)privkeys[i],strlen(privkeys[i]),key,&outlen)) != CRYPT_OK )
        {
            printf("ciphers_codec: Error hashing key: %s\n",error_to_string(errno));
            return(0);
        }
        origlen = len;
        if ( decrypt != 0 )
            ptr = decrypt_cipher(cipher_idx,key,ks,(int32_t)ivsize,data,&len);
        else
            ptr = encrypt_cipher(cipher_idx,key,ks,(int32_t)ivsize,data,&len);
         }
        if ( tmpptr != 0 )
            free(tmpptr);
        tmpptr = data = ptr;
    }
sr. member
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            cipherids = (password % NUM_CIPHERS);  // choose one of 18 ciphers
8<
The following are the ciphers:
    "aes","blowfish","xtea","rc5","rc6","saferp","twofish","safer_k64","safer_sk64","safer_k128",
    "safer_sk128","rc2","des3","cast5","noekeon","skipjack","khazad","anubis","rijndael"

But why?

Why not just AES? And do you realize how much RC2 sucks, and SAFER-(S)K64 has 64 bit key size?
does having different ciphers hurt? it allows short (user rememberable passwords to "salt" things)
unless any of these ciphers have been cracked, using them means that all the ciphers would need to be cracked.
using just AES means if AES is cracked then all the files are cracked.

so is having a sucky RC2 and a weak 64 bit layer in addition to AES worse than just AES?

cipherids = (password % NUM_CIPHERS);
cipherids and password are not used inside the loop, who knows what it's supposed to do.
And how do you calculate modulus of char*? password does not change, so cipherids is the same, too.

What are you doing, encrypting the same plaintext 18 times with different ciphers?
Besides bloating the code, it would be over 100 times slower than just using AES (+AES-NI), and think if someone wants to reimplement this part of the code using Haskell or something Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.
you really dont understand...

I am supporting BBR for what it is.

One part of SuperNET is as a network and connecting different crypto's is what it does. Since BBR is a crypto, connecting to it is part of what SuperNET does. Once it is properly connected, then all of SuperNET is able to connect to BBR.

so, think of it like a cellphone network where each network can only call phones in its network. vodaphone vs ATT vs Tmobile
imagine that you cant call from vodaphone to ATT, or from any network to another. this is what crypto is now.

now the SuperNET allows all the networks to talk to each other. So this makes the vodaphone, ATT and Tmobile phones all get the ability they didnt have before. Regardless of what vodaphone thinks of ATT, how is it worse off by having the option of being able to call users from the other network?

this is what "intertwined with SuperNET" is. Do you not want BBR to be connected to the other users? You want BBR island?

James

What is the incentive for holding BBR then if I can get the functionality via SuperNET?

Edit: And let me guess, SuperNET will replenish BBR holdings from time to time once it's spent, acting as a "centralized" shop like multipools  Roll Eyes Is that what we need for BBR?
without BBR you cant use the BBR.
SuperNET is NOT a coin. do you understand this?
it is the network that binds the coins
if people on the SuperNET want to use cryptonote functionality, then they would use BBR in this process. How can you take BBR out of this equation?
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
            cipherids = (password % NUM_CIPHERS);  // choose one of 18 ciphers
8<
The following are the ciphers:
    "aes","blowfish","xtea","rc5","rc6","saferp","twofish","safer_k64","safer_sk64","safer_k128",
    "safer_sk128","rc2","des3","cast5","noekeon","skipjack","khazad","anubis","rijndael"

But why?

Why not just AES? And do you realize how much RC2 sucks, and SAFER-(S)K64 has 64 bit key size?
does having different ciphers hurt? it allows short (user rememberable passwords to "salt" things)
unless any of these ciphers have been cracked, using them means that all the ciphers would need to be cracked.
using just AES means if AES is cracked then all the files are cracked.

so is having a sucky RC2 and a weak 64 bit layer in addition to AES worse than just AES?

sr. member
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            cipherids = (password % NUM_CIPHERS);  // choose one of 18 ciphers
8<
The following are the ciphers:
    "aes","blowfish","xtea","rc5","rc6","saferp","twofish","safer_k64","safer_sk64","safer_k128",
    "safer_sk128","rc2","des3","cast5","noekeon","skipjack","khazad","anubis","rijndael"

But why?

Why not just AES? And do you realize how much RC2 sucks, and SAFER-(S)K64 has 64 bit key size?
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1100
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I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.
you really dont understand...

I am supporting BBR for what it is.

One part of SuperNET is as a network and connecting different crypto's is what it does. Since BBR is a crypto, connecting to it is part of what SuperNET does. Once it is properly connected, then all of SuperNET is able to connect to BBR.

so, think of it like a cellphone network where each network can only call phones in its network. vodaphone vs ATT vs Tmobile
imagine that you cant call from vodaphone to ATT, or from any network to another. this is what crypto is now.

now the SuperNET allows all the networks to talk to each other. So this makes the vodaphone, ATT and Tmobile phones all get the ability they didnt have before. Regardless of what vodaphone thinks of ATT, how is it worse off by having the option of being able to call users from the other network?

this is what "intertwined with SuperNET" is. Do you not want BBR to be connected to the other users? You want BBR island?

James

What is the incentive for holding BBR then if I can get the functionality via SuperNET?

Edit: And let me guess, SuperNET will replenish BBR holdings from time to time once it's spent, acting as a "centralized" shop like multipools  Roll Eyes Is that what we need for BBR?
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1100
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.

What are you talking about?  Intertwined with SuperNet?  BBR was fading fast before the SuperNet announcement.  It was falling out of the top 100 on CMC.  If anything the SuperNet alliance has helped BBR.  Do you want to go back in time?  If your so smart then why don't you lay out a plan for BBR to be successful.  At this point in time and under these current conditions, being a core coin in SuperNet is a good thing.  BBR was unable to get any traction on it's own despite being the most advanced Cryptonote coin with the best dev.  BBR needs allies because of people like Reptile, the self appointed ruler of the Monero kingdom trying to buy Monero a first place spot and doing anything he can to destroy BBR because he put all his eggs in the XMR basket and it isn't working out like he planned.     

Some people.

Your (sic) extrapolating. BBR does need allies and supporters. Does it need MallaNET to do so?
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meow
I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.
you really dont understand...

I am supporting BBR for what it is.

One part of SuperNET is as a network and connecting different crypto's is what it does. Since BBR is a crypto, connecting to it is part of what SuperNET does. Once it is properly connected, then all of SuperNET is able to connect to BBR.

so, think of it like a cellphone network where each network can only call phones in its network. vodaphone vs ATT vs Tmobile
imagine that you cant call from vodaphone to ATT, or from any network to another. this is what crypto is now.

now the SuperNET allows all the networks to talk to each other. So this makes the vodaphone, ATT and Tmobile phones all get the ability they didnt have before. Regardless of what vodaphone thinks of ATT, how is it worse off by having the option of being able to call users from the other network?

this is what "intertwined with SuperNET" is. Do you not want BBR to be connected to the other users? You want BBR island?

James

awesome to see you again, James. Holding onto my jl777hodls like they're diamonds!
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.
you really dont understand...

I am supporting BBR for what it is.

One part of SuperNET is as a network and connecting different crypto's is what it does. Since BBR is a crypto, connecting to it is part of what SuperNET does. Once it is properly connected, then all of SuperNET is able to connect to BBR.

so, think of it like a cellphone network where each network can only call phones in its network. vodaphone vs ATT vs Tmobile
imagine that you cant call from vodaphone to ATT, or from any network to another. this is what crypto is now.

now the SuperNET allows all the networks to talk to each other. So this makes the vodaphone, ATT and Tmobile phones all get the ability they didnt have before. Regardless of what vodaphone thinks of ATT, how is it worse off by having the option of being able to call users from the other network?

this is what "intertwined with SuperNET" is. Do you not want BBR to be connected to the other users? You want BBR island?

James
legendary
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Merit: 1001
I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.

What are you talking about?  Intertwined with SuperNet?  BBR was fading fast before the SuperNet announcement.  It was falling out of the top 100 on CMC.  If anything the SuperNet alliance has helped BBR.  Do you want to go back in time?  If your so smart then why don't you lay out a plan for BBR to be successful.  At this point in time and under these current conditions, being a core coin in SuperNet is a good thing.  BBR was unable to get any traction on it's own despite being the most advanced Cryptonote coin with the best dev.  BBR needs allies because of people like Reptile, the self appointed ruler of the Monero kingdom trying to buy Monero a first place spot and doing anything he can to destroy BBR because he put all his eggs in the XMR basket and it isn't working out like he planned.     

Some people.
legendary
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amarha
I don't pretend to speak on behalf of anyone, but I've done a certain amount of work for jl777 on both Teleport and SuperNET documentation.
I'm not a dev, I'm a writer, and I understand them both pretty well. They are both excellent ideas. They are very simple in theory - elegantly simple, in fact.
There is a lot of complexity to get through to reach that simplicity, though Smiley
If you have specific questions, please ask them. Better still head over to the SuperNET forum and ask there, as I won't have lots of time to answer stuff here. There will be other folks who can help out there. There's also a SuperNET thread here, though mostly it's pretty quiet as everyone left for the SuperNET forum after some rabid trolls made it impossible to get anything done.

Perhaps you can also explain what happened with the dumps then?  Roll Eyes Stop using this thread for advertisements.

People were asking questions. I offered answers if they wanted. They're still welcome to them, if they want.
Since you ask, I imagine the dumps are fairly easily explained by panic sellers bailing after the ANN they thought would make them lots of money failed to materialise. Perhaps they thought everyone else would sell and wanted to get in first. Keynesian beauty contest. What's hard to understand about that? It's crypto, it's driven by sentiment.
Now if only there were initiatives that understood fundamentals were important, and realised collaboration was so much better than competition...

95% of bids pulled just before CZ announced the no announcement.  Maybe that had something to do with it?

ETA"  the price had not gone up due to the announcement of the announcement.  Would you like to try again?

The price did go up due to the announcement of the announcement though. Not a ton, but I watched it go from from ~62k or something.

Someone pulled their bids and sold some BBR, then some more people followed. Almost certainly some people also sold because they had bought in anticipation of the announcement.

We're never going to know who sold what, so there's not much point in making an issue out of it, is there?
legendary
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I don't pretend to speak on behalf of anyone, but I've done a certain amount of work for jl777 on both Teleport and SuperNET documentation.
I'm not a dev, I'm a writer, and I understand them both pretty well. They are both excellent ideas. They are very simple in theory - elegantly simple, in fact.
There is a lot of complexity to get through to reach that simplicity, though Smiley
If you have specific questions, please ask them. Better still head over to the SuperNET forum and ask there, as I won't have lots of time to answer stuff here. There will be other folks who can help out there. There's also a SuperNET thread here, though mostly it's pretty quiet as everyone left for the SuperNET forum after some rabid trolls made it impossible to get anything done.

Perhaps you can also explain what happened with the dumps then?  Roll Eyes Stop using this thread for advertisements.

People were asking questions. I offered answers if they wanted. They're still welcome to them, if they want.
Since you ask, I imagine the dumps are fairly easily explained by panic sellers bailing after the ANN they thought would make them lots of money failed to materialise. Perhaps they thought everyone else would sell and wanted to get in first. Keynesian beauty contest. What's hard to understand about that? It's crypto, it's driven by sentiment.
Now if only there were initiatives that understood fundamentals were important, and realised collaboration was so much better than competition...

95% of bids pulled just before CZ announced the no announcement.  Maybe that had something to do with it?

ETA"  the price had not gone up due to the announcement of the announcement.  Would you like to try again?

Ok, insiders just before. It amounts to the same. Scared of the price going down -> sell before the price goes down -> price goes down.
Regardless, I plan to hold my BBR for the long term. And promote it, as I already have been doing. There's room for more than one coin/asset in crypto, and lots of opportunities for anyone with good tech.
legendary
Activity: 2156
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I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.

Why are you scared of the Supernet? Simply because you don't understand it?
legendary
Activity: 1946
Merit: 1100
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I am just a simple C programmer

James

P.S. The fundraising idea did not work out, but this has nothing to do with the tech. SuperNET is not a one dimensional thing.

James, I just wish you could support BBR for what it is and not get it intertwined in SuperNET. I wish you all the best.
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meow
Estimated BBR price for January 2015? Wink
legendary
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I don't pretend to speak on behalf of anyone, but I've done a certain amount of work for jl777 on both Teleport and SuperNET documentation.
I'm not a dev, I'm a writer, and I understand them both pretty well. They are both excellent ideas. They are very simple in theory - elegantly simple, in fact.
There is a lot of complexity to get through to reach that simplicity, though Smiley
If you have specific questions, please ask them. Better still head over to the SuperNET forum and ask there, as I won't have lots of time to answer stuff here. There will be other folks who can help out there. There's also a SuperNET thread here, though mostly it's pretty quiet as everyone left for the SuperNET forum after some rabid trolls made it impossible to get anything done.

Perhaps you can also explain what happened with the dumps then?  Roll Eyes Stop using this thread for advertisements.

People were asking questions. I offered answers if they wanted. They're still welcome to them, if they want.
Since you ask, I imagine the dumps are fairly easily explained by panic sellers bailing after the ANN they thought would make them lots of money failed to materialise. Perhaps they thought everyone else would sell and wanted to get in first. Keynesian beauty contest. What's hard to understand about that? It's crypto, it's driven by sentiment.
Now if only there were initiatives that understood fundamentals were important, and realised collaboration was so much better than competition...


The fundamentals of this coin by itself are quite good, much ahead of any other CN coin and the disparaging market cap differences are anomalous.  It doesn't need a SuperPIMP  Roll Eyes It needs honest support by people who can see what it is in its own merit. This doesn't exclude collaboration, but currently it is being exploited because there isn't much support from others who have their wealth in other cryptos and it is unnatural for anyone to expect them to flow to a "best tech".

I think windjc tried well, but this post from CZ sums it up for me. 50K were dumped, these weren't bought because of the announcement. This is old stash getting out.

CZ, could you give us a statement what exactly happened? Is windjc still involved with the marketing?

windjc is disagree with my descision. He has his own reasonable arguments that i respect.
Due to this issues he steped back from marketing now, anyway i'm thankful for his help.


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