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July 14, 2024, 06:24:59 AM
Unless you know about the capabilities of the person you are dealing with, you can still trust them with your money, and they will still use it for gambling.

Like mentioned earlier, this people are hardworking in this behavior that it'll be hard to escape the first scam. Surprisingly, some people end up trusting them the second time. Basically, I'm referring to such people who repeatedly fall for the strong aura of friendliness exhibited by these con men. Have met a man who belongs to this category of heedless people, like many of them, he's funny and nice to spend time with. Easily anybody would trust them over and over, they are also great at apologizing for their wrong doings. That's why I suggested distancing such people when it's about money.
There is no way to ascertain if someone will betray your trust financially regardless of who they are, so I would not like to make any character an example to judge. No matter the character of a person you may describe, whether they are good, bad or ugly, if they will not betray the trust, they will not, and if they will betray it, you will not be able to stop that. Even good people may disappoint you, it's not just happening. I can only advise that we should try as much as possible to know the personality and the financial standing of the person we are dealing with, otherwise, do not entrust your money in their hands.

I talked about my personality because 3 years ago, a junior friend entrusted a huge amount of money in my bank account for many months, he said I was the only person he could trust with that kind of money. I was so surprised because this guy has a family and too many friends as a lively person and a socialite. Such like him would have many rich friends, yet he couldn't trust them with his money. It is not what people tell or shows you they are but what you know they truly are. Their true self can't hide.
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July 14, 2024, 04:26:43 AM
Unless you know about the capabilities of the person you are dealing with, you can still trust them with your money, and they will still use it for gambling.

Like mentioned earlier, this people are hardworking in this behavior that it'll be hard to escape the first scam. Surprisingly, some people end up trusting them the second time. Basically, I'm referring to such people who repeatedly fall for the strong aura of friendliness exhibited by these con men. Have met a man who belongs to this category of heedless people, like many of them, he's funny and nice to spend time with. Easily anybody would trust them over and over, they are also great at apologizing for their wrong doings. That's why I suggested distancing such people when it's about money.
I just remembered one guy that I know who also has the same attitude. You are right, they are friendly and you will definitely fall for their sweet words. He is talkative too and will always agree with what you say until he earns your trust and that's when he will stab you in your back.
After that happened, I never saw that guy and you cannot even track him because he didn't mention anything about his family, his house, or his friends. These kinds of people are good at what they are doing and erasing their footprints so that no one will chase them after they scam.
What more if it is about gambling? We cannot just trust anyone with our money because there's a possibility it could be gone especially when it's a person that we know not much about.
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July 14, 2024, 03:36:53 AM
This has been a problem foe unfaithful married couples families and in most time the problem or the gambling comes from a woman. When her husband gave her money to go to the market to buy some food items for the house, she used it to play gamble thinking that should would double the money so she could buy more things in the market and she end up losing all the money in the gambling and go home empty hand.
Man or woman, some really gamble irresponsibly.

Maybe this is your personal experience? Because a lot of what I have seen it is the husband that are more into gambling not the wife.
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And another worse story of it is that students who are gamblers used their school fees to gamble and loss all to gamble. And the best way to save those money be a someone's money or money that he or she wants to use it to do important is to avoid gambling at all cost at that time.
I have seen this happen many times as a parent we should make sure that our kids know better. I think not being able to trust them to do the right thing is an indication that I have failed to teach my children properly
That's right, anyone can gamble irresponsibly if they have the wrong thoughts about gambling, because with their wrong thoughts it can make them addicted and when they are addicted, what can happen is something that carries a big risk, such as losing a certain amount of money. Apart from that, even though they have lost a lot of money because of gambling, that doesn't mean they will stop, because with their addiction it will make them think about borrowing money or even stealing to do the gambling they want again.
Children should not know about gambling before they are adults, and when they are adults they don't need to be told, I think they will still know about gambling which is currently popular among society. because their social interactions can make them familiar with gambling outside the supervision of their own parents. actually it doesn't matter if they gamble as long as they can control themselves by gambling using their personal money and don't let them go beyond their limits such as forcing them to gamble by borrowing other people's money or using other people when they have run out of money to gamble, that's the problem that must be avoided.
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July 14, 2024, 02:00:10 AM
Gambling with people's money just has some bad mojo that comes with it because you aren't playing freely and your subconscious is always reminding you that the second you lose that money it's debt you getting yourself in and this could negatively affect the relationship you have with the creditor!!
I don’t know if it happens to only me, but immediately I start gambling with the amount that I am not supposed to gamble with. I do end up losing my bet. I don’t really know the cause, or maybe it’s because my mind isn’t always at rest during that time. I am always being forced to do even things that I am not supposed to do, which at the end I always win. So I just prefer to gamble with my budget, and whenever I use up the money that I am supposed to use for gambling, then I will stop gambling.
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I doubt that you can always win, with the compulsion that occurs because of the encouragement of your own thoughts which only think about winning, but that doesn't mean you will always be able to win. In fact, I think if you count the number of gambling games you do in a month, I doubt the number. It's the wins that you win often, even if you are a gambling expert or have experience, it doesn't guarantee that you can win often or consistently. We know that gambling is a game of probability and luck, is it possible that you are always lucky with every gamble you do? I do not think so. Luck of course only happens occasionally and I don't think anyone can get luck continuously.

Using personal money or other people's money to gamble doesn't guarantee that we can win, even though we gamble using personal money, that doesn't mean we can win, it's just that when we gamble using that person's money it will be a bigger problem because There must be money replaced because of losses that have made us lose money gambling. we must be able to gamble with our own money, including using our own money, of course we still have to gamble responsibly, people who gamble using other people's money, I think they are irresponsible people, even though they managed to return other people's money that they used. for gambling does not mean they are responsible, because the act of borrowing money to gamble is an irresponsible action.
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July 14, 2024, 12:25:43 AM
This has been a problem foe unfaithful married couples families and in most time the problem or the gambling comes from a woman. When her husband gave her money to go to the market to buy some food items for the house, she used it to play gamble thinking that should would double the money so she could buy more things in the market and she end up losing all the money in the gambling and go home empty hand.

And another worse story of it is that students who are gamblers used their school fees to gamble and loss all to gamble. And the best way to save those money be a someone's money or money that he or she wants to use it to do important is to avoid gambling at all cost at that time.
That will be a sad story so we don't have to do the same things because there is no guarantee we can wins in gambling. The next things that can happens is we can loses all of the money we have in gambling so we can't fills our family needs. We must realizes that playing gambling doesn't have to uses other people's money, we will not trying to asks other people's money to playing gambling

We will be careful when we use our own money to playing gambling and will not risks ourselves by uses other people's money. When students use their school fees to gambling, they must realizes that will not makes them to wins the gambling games and makes money. They can loses their school fees quickly and they can't pay their school fees. If their parents knows about that, they will be too sad and will punish their children because they use their school fees to playing gambling. That will be a bad sample for other children so they do not trying to do the same things.
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July 13, 2024, 10:52:21 PM
This has been a problem foe unfaithful married couples families and in most time the problem or the gambling comes from a woman. When her husband gave her money to go to the market to buy some food items for the house, she used it to play gamble thinking that should would double the money so she could buy more things in the market and she end up losing all the money in the gambling and go home empty hand.
Man or woman, some really gamble irresponsibly.

Maybe this is your personal experience? Because a lot of what I have seen it is the husband that are more into gambling not the wife.
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And another worse story of it is that students who are gamblers used their school fees to gamble and loss all to gamble. And the best way to save those money be a someone's money or money that he or she wants to use it to do important is to avoid gambling at all cost at that time.
I have seen this happen many times as a parent we should make sure that our kids know better. I think not being able to trust them to do the right thing is an indication that I have failed to teach my children properly
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July 13, 2024, 04:12:49 PM
This has been a problem foe unfaithful married couples families and in most time the problem or the gambling comes from a woman. When her husband gave her money to go to the market to buy some food items for the house, she used it to play gamble thinking that should would double the money so she could buy more things in the market and she end up losing all the money in the gambling and go home empty hand.
Do you mean the woman is the one who’s always gambling? Seriously, I don’t know why I do feel someone whenever I see a female gambler, maybe it’s something I don’t really see often in my country because you will hardly see women gambling here, guys are the ones that do gambling often here, so as a guy, gambling is a normal activity. The money meant for foodstuffs was used to gamble by the woman, and she couldn’t double the money, instead, she lost everything to gambling, and she couldn’t come back home with anything.
 
Seriously, it has been said multiple times that when gambling, we are not supposed to have the mindset of doubling our money, and the risk that the woman took was just too much. Money that she was supposed to use to feed the family, she decided to gamble with it, and the family will remain hungry. It’s better she just gets a few things that she knows can be gotten with the money that was given to her by her husband rather than trying to increase the money through gambling.
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July 13, 2024, 04:04:21 PM
Gambling with people's money just has some bad mojo that comes with it because you aren't playing freely and your subconscious is always reminding you that the second you lose that money it's debt you getting yourself in and this could negatively affect the relationship you have with the creditor!!

No, there is no assurance that if you gamble, you will make some money there. So what would even be the reason why someone would try that kind of risk? In fact, if someone is not addicted to gambling, I don't think they would even consider behaving in that manner because they know that the probability of losing money is always higher than winning. As a gambler, any time I want to gamble with even my own money, I plan it. I am afraid of using it to gamble, let alone money that doesn't belong to me.


Which is why it is important to gamble with your own money 💵 for your own peace of mind and enjoyable experience
Not only gamble with own money, gamble with what you can afford to lose, but you should also do so responsibly. Many gamblers are always in great worry because they don't always gamble with what they can afford to lose. They always need to gamble responsibly so that their mind can be at peace. I have one friend who always gambles without having a budget, but trust me, he hardly ever has peace of mind.

If you cannot stay off gambling, try find a hobby that will keep you preoccupied as this could mean you have plenty of free time on your hands.

That advice is for people who are not gambling addicted. However, if someone is already addicted, they will always find a way to gamble, even during occupied periods. Being addicted to gambling is really bad, and it is very hard to quit. If someone is feeding money into gambling, what ways can a gambling addict find to gamble?
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July 13, 2024, 03:40:00 PM
This has been a problem foe unfaithful married couples families and in most time the problem or the gambling comes from a woman. When her husband gave her money to go to the market to buy some food items for the house, she used it to play gamble thinking that should would double the money so she could buy more things in the market and she end up losing all the money in the gambling and go home empty hand.

And another worse story of it is that students who are gamblers used their school fees to gamble and loss all to gamble. And the best way to save those money be a someone's money or money that he or she wants to use it to do important is to avoid gambling at all cost at that time.
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July 13, 2024, 03:39:41 PM
Unless you know about the capabilities of the person you are dealing with, you can still trust them with your money, and they will still use it for gambling.

Like mentioned earlier, this people are hardworking in this behavior that it'll be hard to escape the first scam. Surprisingly, some people end up trusting them the second time. Basically, I'm referring to such people who repeatedly fall for the strong aura of friendliness exhibited by these con men. Have met a man who belongs to this category of heedless people, like many of them, he's funny and nice to spend time with. Easily anybody would trust them over and over, they are also great at apologizing for their wrong doings. That's why I suggested distancing such people when it's about money.
Well, I believe you know that trust is a good commodity that each and everyone of us have, we own it at different levels, and it's actually one of the most espensive commodity, but the irony here is that, we can't sell our trust for  money, a person like myself cant sell my trust to anyone, anybody who needs my trust will have to work for it, and hard as well, I can not trust a person who disappointed me, and still trust all over again just because he or she is really good at apologizing.

But anyways, I agree with what you said about we distancing ourselves from such type of people, there are people out there who are up to no good for others, such type of people must be kept away from., most especially if it's a person who is into gambling.
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July 13, 2024, 03:25:00 PM
Unless you know about the capabilities of the person you are dealing with, you can still trust them with your money, and they will still use it for gambling.

Like mentioned earlier, this people are hardworking in this behavior that it'll be hard to escape the first scam. Surprisingly, some people end up trusting them the second time. Basically, I'm referring to such people who repeatedly fall for the strong aura of friendliness exhibited by these con men. Have met a man who belongs to this category of heedless people, like many of them, he's funny and nice to spend time with. Easily anybody would trust them over and over, they are also great at apologizing for their wrong doings. That's why I suggested distancing such people when it's about money.
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July 13, 2024, 03:11:15 PM
They don't worry about what they will do if they lose. Even if they have the information about the wealth held by others and if they have the access of that money then he will not hesitate to use that money at any time as we found in OP language.
Irresponsible gamblers don't have a happy ending. When they are negligent or evil-minded to borrow money without thinking on the consequences, they ruin their reputation in the area where they live, and as consequence, nobody will want to deal with this kind of gambler anymore, even regards another matters which don't involve gambling directly.

It's also dangerous for gamblers to not repay loans, because usually loan sharks have alternative methods to deal with borrowers in debt. These gamblers or their family members can be threated by such loan sharks, who won't let them in peace until the debt is paid off. I know stories of people who were murdered for not paying a loan back.

Some gamblers may think they are smart to deceive the lenders and escape the consequences forever, but inevitably the consequences will reach at some point in the future, so it's essential to live life honestly, without scamming anyone on the way.
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July 13, 2024, 03:08:51 PM
Gambling with people's money just has some bad mojo that comes with it because you aren't playing freely and your subconscious is always reminding you that the second you lose that money it's debt you getting yourself in and this could negatively affect the relationship you have with the creditor!!
I don’t know if it happens to only me, but immediately I start gambling with the amount that I am not supposed to gamble with. I do end up losing my bet. I don’t really know the cause, or maybe it’s because my mind isn’t always at rest during that time. I am always being forced to do even things that I am not supposed to do, which at the end I always win. So I just prefer to gamble with my budget, and whenever I use up the money that I am supposed to use for gambling, then I will stop gambling.

Which is why it is important to gamble with your own money 💵 for your own peace of mind and enjoyable experience
Even if you are gambling with your own money, you are supposed to gamble responsibly, gamble within your budget, never exceed your gambling budget when you are gambling. Some people do gamble with their money, but at the end they will be affected, and some will regret why they gambled.

If you cannot stay off gambling, try find a hobby that will keep you preoccupied as this could mean you have plenty of free time on your hands.
If you are a gambler and you want to reduce or stop gambling, then I will recommend you get something doing, that’s really going to help.
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July 13, 2024, 02:52:07 PM
Unless you know about the capabilities of the person you are dealing with, you can still trust them with your money, and they will still use it for gambling.
That's true, because there is this popular African proverbs which says "You never know the true color of a man until he is given both money and power", and that's when his true color or habit manifest. Because if you could analyze 100 scenarios where money was entrusted unto somebody and it got misuse into gambling, forex trade, ponsi scheme or any other online investments, you will notice that 99% of the persons who did that, if been asked to give their reasons don't be surprised to hear them say they all did that simply because they want to "get rich quick", of which until people stop having this mentality of wanting to get rich quick with people's money, such menace will never stop.
Don't put more than 80% trust in anyone and I have implemented this rule to be wary of anyone to deal with fraud cases because all that person's activities will be monitored and I will withdraw my money if he is detected to be committing fraud. Many cases of this kind of fraud occur related to misuse of loan money and even company money is used for gambling, the reason is because we trust other people too much, but the real trust is in ourselves and the point is that full trust cannot be entrusted to other people.

Companies must regularly audit financial management staff to avoid cases of using company budgets for gambling. In this new case, many DPR members are suspected of being involved in gambling cases. This case is very ironic, they violated state regulations and had to take firm action or be fired from their positions in government.
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July 13, 2024, 02:22:32 PM
Gambling with other people's money means borrowing gambling which is very risky and is done by those who are very addicted to gambling but have no money in their own pocket.
If you don’t have your own money to gamble, then it’s better we don’t gamble, we shouldn’t spoil our reputation just because we want to gamble. It doesn’t make any sense to me, if the person doesn’t trust you, then you won’t be given the money to hold, so the money is supposed to be properly stored, and it shouldn’t be used for anything, not to mention gambling. The only person who will gamble with the money kept with him is an addicted gambler. That’s why I don’t recommend an addicted gambler be in charge of money.


Some people are already aware of all these things you are saying because they have been said countless times, but they are just ignorant about them. I came across this thread a day before yesterday. Actually,  it was the first time I was hearing about such a disorder, but I think I understand that the reason why some gamblers take the kind of rash decisions that they do in gambling is because they have ADHD disorder and they don't even know about it, and someone who is not also aware of the symptoms cannot tell. Because sometimes a gambler can take those decisions without thinking about the consequences until they lose the money. 
You are correct, one thing I learnt from this quotes is that most people don't think about the risks in the decisions that that take before going ahead to do them. However it's bad because when one can't think about his or her decisions properly before doing them it affects in future because there might be things that needed time to think about. Although people with ADHD disorder are few and the worst part of it all is that one can not tell that so so person or gamble have such mental illness because some of them inherits it from their parents.
The whole thing is purely based on the fact that when ever the person wants to be in such a situation or take such risks their mind is completely blinded by the unseen outcome and what they ever think of is the possible outcome in terms of positive results and nothing more and not even their health concerns and that would even be the last thing they would be thinking at that period.
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July 13, 2024, 02:18:25 PM
Although he never returned my money, and I never asked him for it, I will never lend money to anyone who bets on gambling in the future. I have seen many people who gambled with borrowed money faced more problems and losses and never won by betting but lost more times. So gamblers make this mistake most of the time betting with money loan is the riskiest so such risk should not be taken.

Gamblers have this feeling that they can win with the money that they borrowed therefore they will risk the money and end up losing the money. They repeat this process many times but still end with the same results. If you advise them to stop they will refuse because they have few games that they won but they would not know that they are losing more of the bets that they are taking than winning it. I think it would not be good to borrow money to people that are gamblers because we will be putting them into more trouble. I have not seen an addict that can hold someone money without using it for gambling or other irresponsible things like drug abuse or going to do fornication because they can not hold money but only to throw it away.
Absolutely right, that's the main reason why most people have used people's money to gamble just like how OP already wrote previously. Some gamblers also thinks that when they have won with a particular odds days back and they sees it again they will use the money on their hands they won't even mind if the money belongs to them or not and they or they will borrow money from others even if it's not their friends because they believed that as they have won from that odds days back they will be lucky to with with the odds again. The truth is that not odd is sure, even if you have won from the odd before its your luck and you should also know gang odds changes.
Yes it often happens where many gamblers don't have money they even take risks with borrowed money. But they don't consider what their financial situation might be when they bet with the last amount. They don't worry about what they will do if they lose. Even if they have the information about the wealth held by others and if they have the access of that money then he will not hesitate to use that money at any time as we found in OP language. If a gambler cannot control himself, he is sure to fail. No one will say anything to him especially if he loses his own money but when he uses other people's money he will bring his own disaster.
On the time or moment that you do find yourself using up already other people's money just for you to gamble or the idea  that comes up into you mind to take up some loan or any unwise decisions in regarding about finances then it's a solid sign that you do have that gambling addiction.On the time or moment that you do find yourself on such condition then you won't really be thinking up that much about consequences or outcomes of the actions you are taking.People do usually having that kind of realizations on the moment that you are on such bad situation which you could really be able to avoid if you are really just that sensible and responsible with you actions.it would be that situational because not all people will be having that awareness in between their actions and just sticking into things which they do like or having in mind.
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July 13, 2024, 02:05:34 PM
Unless you know about the capabilities of the person you are dealing with, you can still trust them with your money, and they will still use it for gambling.
That's true, because there is this popular African proverbs which says "You never know the true color of a man until he is given both money and power", and that's when his true color or habit manifest. Because if you could analyze 100 scenarios where money was entrusted unto somebody and it got misuse into gambling, forex trade, ponsi scheme or any other online investments, you will notice that 99% of the persons who did that, if been asked to give their reasons don't be surprised to hear them say they all did that simply because they want to "get rich quick", of which until people stop having this mentality of wanting to get rich quick with people's money, such menace will never stop.
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July 13, 2024, 02:03:25 PM
Although he never returned my money, and I never asked him for it, I will never lend money to anyone who bets on gambling in the future. I have seen many people who gambled with borrowed money faced more problems and losses and never won by betting but lost more times. So gamblers make this mistake most of the time betting with money loan is the riskiest so such risk should not be taken.

Gamblers have this feeling that they can win with the money that they borrowed therefore they will risk the money and end up losing the money. They repeat this process many times but still end with the same results. If you advise them to stop they will refuse because they have few games that they won but they would not know that they are losing more of the bets that they are taking than winning it. I think it would not be good to borrow money to people that are gamblers because we will be putting them into more trouble. I have not seen an addict that can hold someone money without using it for gambling or other irresponsible things like drug abuse or going to do fornication because they can not hold money but only to throw it away.
Absolutely right, that's the main reason why most people have used people's money to gamble just like how OP already wrote previously. Some gamblers also thinks that when they have won with a particular odds days back and they sees it again they will use the money on their hands they won't even mind if the money belongs to them or not and they or they will borrow money from others even if it's not their friends because they believed that as they have won from that odds days back they will be lucky to with with the odds again. The truth is that not odd is sure, even if you have won from the odd before its your luck and you should also know gang odds changes.
Yes it often happens where many gamblers don't have money they even take risks with borrowed money. But they don't consider what their financial situation might be when they bet with the last amount. They don't worry about what they will do if they lose. Even if they have the information about the wealth held by others and if they have the access of that money then he will not hesitate to use that money at any time as we found in OP language. If a gambler cannot control himself, he is sure to fail. No one will say anything to him especially if he loses his own money but when he uses other people's money he will bring his own disaster.
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July 13, 2024, 01:43:40 PM

Gamblers have this feeling that they can win with the money that they borrowed therefore they will risk the money and end up losing the money. They repeat this process many times but still end with the same results. If you advise them to stop they will refuse because they have few games that they won but they would not know that they are losing more of the bets that they are taking than winning it. I think it would not be good to borrow money to people that are gamblers because we will be putting them into more trouble. I have not seen an addict that can hold someone money without using it for gambling or other irresponsible things like drug abuse or going to do fornication because they can not hold money but only to throw it away.
Absolutely right, that's the main reason why most people have used people's money to gamble just like how OP already wrote previously. Some gamblers also thinks that when they have won with a particular odds days back and they sees it again they will use the money on their hands they won't even mind if the money belongs to them or not and they or they will borrow money from others even if it's not their friends because they believed that as they have won from that odds days back they will be lucky to with with the odds again. The truth is that not odd is sure, even if you have won from the odd before its your luck and you should also know gang odds changes.

Yes, however, in gambling there is no connection between the previous result and the next result, in the sense that even though, for example, a few days ago you managed to achieve a big win using the method or method you used, that does not mean that in the future you will be able to get that win again using the method. the same one. This is gambling which always runs randomly in terms of determining the outcome at the end of the session, and if there was a method that really worked over and over again in terms of producing wins then I think it is very likely that there will be many gamblers who have succeeded in achieving it. riches.

But in fact that doesn't happen, most of the results are always different, therefore this is why various actions that tend to lead to forcing yourself to gamble, such as borrowing money, you use the funds for other more important things to then gamble on are prohibited actions. , because however there is always no certainty that you will always win even if you use the same method as before.
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July 13, 2024, 01:11:05 PM
As stated by Aristotle, "character trait is stemmed by repeatedly doing some particular thing". Annoying as it may seem to know, be a victim, or to encounter a person who is careless with people's money, it's all their fault, but in some cases it's not. Addressing ADHD as a major cause to this, sidelines the elementary factors that pushes a person to choose this act of behavior.

Environment, school, friends, and relatives are well known factors that could turn a decent person to become aimlessly unmethodical in his relationship with people including strangers. Laziness is also a term for defining this type of people, but they are quite very hardworking in their art of being heedless, incurious and thoughtless with people's money. It's now an accepted habit in the player's life and going to a doctor would be the last thing in his mind. The best solution to such people is to abstain from dealing with them on money matters.

Yes, that can be a good solution, but in most cases, you cannot really tell if the person was actually a gambler or someone with the intention to carelessly joke with other people's money. For example, if someone shows so much good quality in character and people decide to trust their money with such a person without knowing that the person is a gambler who is just hiding it, By so doing, those people are unknowingly putting their money at risk too. 

There was this case where a student gambled with the money that was meant for his classmates, while he was the person who was mostly trusted, and that was even why they had to give him the money to keep. 

Unless you know about the capabilities of the person you are dealing with, you can still trust them with your money, and they will still use it for gambling. 
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