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Quote from: Stalker22 on April 04, 2021, 09:10:21 AM

Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.

I would lean more on skill because even if you have a really shitty probability landing on you, you can still bluff your way into winning the round. The reason that they think that it is a game of chance is because they only see the shuffle of cards and not how the players try to play mind games with other players, in short the people who say that poker is a game of chance are the mediocre ones.

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Quote from: Beparanf on April 05, 2021, 05:24:17 PM

Quote from: vintages on April 05, 2021, 04:59:49 PM

For online gambling, forum discussions is another big thing players or gambler should be aware of.
In gambling sites forum or discussion board, I see some people runing their mouth on how they cast their dice or play their games.
This is good as its most time helpful for other players but unfortunately the site do ends up manipulating the game. So ya, being unpredictable is the best.

It's a double edge sword, since you are unpredictable, You can loss everything at a single bet too if ever you feel doing max bet at some point when you play with a pattern or a rules for your playing guidelines. The game itself is unpredictable so playing it same as that will not gonna give you a consistent result which is important when you are gambling. Reading other guide and opinions about the game itself will just confused player if the ever the game go south against the guide.

It might not be consistent but its better to have these way rather than making yourself obvious which would really be a disadvantage even though the game is unpredictable or even random.

Don't try to be perfectionist because this will just stress you out or mess those things that you do have in mind.Try to follow your own ways of playing without letting yourself
being read up by others.

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Quote from: vintages on April 05, 2021, 04:59:49 PM

For online gambling, forum discussions is another big thing players or gambler should be aware of.
In gambling sites forum or discussion board, I see some people runing their mouth on how they cast their dice or play their games.
This is good as its most time helpful for other players but unfortunately the site do ends up manipulating the game. So ya, being unpredictable is the best.

It's a double edge sword, since you are unpredictable, You can loss everything at a single bet too if ever you feel doing max bet at some point when you play with a pattern or a rules for your playing guidelines. The game itself is unpredictable so playing it same as that will not gonna give you a consistent result which is important when you are gambling. Reading other guide and opinions about the game itself will just confused player if the ever the game go south against the guide.

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Quote from: CarnagexD on April 04, 2021, 05:09:37 PM

Bluffing at random intervals seem to be the best way to deceive your opponents at poker, keep in mind that it has to be random, not set in a pattern because if your opponent has at least half a brain in a few rounds he/she will figure out your pattern and will then be able to correctly deduce your hand by the next roll. Be very unpredictable by confusing even yourself. That's the way to win at poker.

I personally do not believe that a bluffing strategy will work all the time, as a bluffing strategy is a very dangerous strategy. If you are aware, you will only bluff when the card in your hand is bad and that is why you are bluffing. But on the contrary, when your cards are good even though you are not bluffing, usually your opponent will choose to fold the cards, right?
So, that's what I'm worried about a bluff strategy because playing online or offline for a bluff strategy can still be implemented but it's still a risk.

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For online gambling, forum discussions is another big thing players or gambler should be aware of.
In gambling sites forum or discussion board, I see some people runing their mouth on how they cast their dice or play their games.
This is good as its most time helpful for other players but unfortunately the site do ends up manipulating the game. So ya, being unpredictable is the best.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on April 05, 2021, 04:12:50 AM

Quote from: Stalker22 on April 04, 2021, 09:10:21 AM

Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.

I'd say it's definitely more a game of skill. The reason for this is that luck averages out over time. Skill doesn't, and is what separates good players from bad players.

Play a single hand, and yes, luck is very important. But play 1,000 hands, and luck is almost irrelevant.

Agree with this and you would really able to see the difference to those who are just really playing and depending with luck and to those who are experienced about the game.
Luck is a big factor to win but we are talking about strategic kind of games which would really be relevant and it isnt something that every players could have.
You can see significant differences between the two if you do try to look or check out.The rest in talking about being unpredictable then
this is part of the experience that you had get on playing it.

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Quote from: 2double0 on April 04, 2021, 02:45:54 PM

Quote from: South Park on April 04, 2021, 02:38:09 PM

You are right, there are still many other aspects that you can take a look at if you are playing in a physical casino, but there is no doubt that if people begin to hide their face completely, as I think it is going to be the case for many poker players after this pandemic, then it is going to be a lot more problematic to read your opponents, after all there are already players that go out of their way to try to minimize as much as possible the information they give by not talking at the table unless it is absolutely necessary and this will help them to reduce information that they give even further.

There are lots of poker players who unnecessarily speak about their cards like "Hey, I have got 3 Aces, wanna fold?" and similar distracting statements which sometimes affect the decision of opponents and they fold for real, then later they come to know that the guy was 'bluffing'. This is another way of winning but not effective on those who know about this already. And it is a casino, not a hospital where silence is needed so every player is allowed to speak.

If we play poker, we really have to be good at bluffing, and one of them is with a little saying that disturbs the attention of our opponents.
But we can't do that too often, because I've been admonished to keep quiet when trying to disturb my opponent in this way. Because maybe
my behavior has been considered annoying, even though we know that talking actually is allowed when playing poker. As long as it is not excessive
and disturbs the comfort of others. Therefore, bluffing by speaking that disturbs the opponent cannot be done too often. We've got to blend bluffing
with another way, In conclusion, we have to be creative in bluffing. And it takes practice to be able to do bluffing without suspicion.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on April 04, 2021, 09:10:21 AM

Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.

I'd say it's definitely more a game of skill. The reason for this is that luck averages out over time. Skill doesn't, and is what separates good players from bad players.

Play a single hand, and yes, luck is very important. But play 1,000 hands, and luck is almost irrelevant.

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Bluffing at random intervals seem to be the best way to deceive your opponents at poker, keep in mind that it has to be random, not set in a pattern because if your opponent has at least half a brain in a few rounds he/she will figure out your pattern and will then be able to correctly deduce your hand by the next roll. Be very unpredictable by confusing even yourself. That's the way to win at poker.

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Quote from: South Park on April 04, 2021, 02:38:09 PM

You are right, there are still many other aspects that you can take a look at if you are playing in a physical casino, but there is no doubt that if people begin to hide their face completely, as I think it is going to be the case for many poker players after this pandemic, then it is going to be a lot more problematic to read your opponents, after all there are already players that go out of their way to try to minimize as much as possible the information they give by not talking at the table unless it is absolutely necessary and this will help them to reduce information that they give even further.

There are lots of poker players who unnecessarily speak about their cards like "Hey, I have got 3 Aces, wanna fold?" and similar distracting statements which sometimes affect the decision of opponents and they fold for real, then later they come to know that the guy was 'bluffing'. This is another way of winning but not effective on those who know about this already. And it is a casino, not a hospital where silence is needed so every player is allowed to speak.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on March 31, 2021, 02:30:45 PM

Quote from: South Park on March 30, 2021, 01:54:36 PM

Many poker players in order to avoid to have the reactions to be read by their opponents use a hat and even glasses and I have no doubts that when the pandemic is finally over and casinos can open the doors again many poker players are still going to use respirators or surgical masks to hide an even larger portion of their face, this may seem to be problematic but taking into account that when you play online you already cannot see what your opponent is doing then I have the tendency to believe that playing poker live will slowly morph into something very similar to what we see online already.

imo there'll still be a difference on playing online and irl because even if you can't see the whole face because of a mask or glasses there are still many other micro-movements that can be observed, you know? like the velocity of hands, the dillatation of eyes (if they have no glasses), how they look, how they speak, how they breath... being in the physical presence of someone totally changes the game.

You are right, there are still many other aspects that you can take a look at if you are playing in a physical casino, but there is no doubt that if people begin to hide their face completely, as I think it is going to be the case for many poker players after this pandemic, then it is going to be a lot more problematic to read your opponents, after all there are already players that go out of their way to try to minimize as much as possible the information they give by not talking at the table unless it is absolutely necessary and this will help them to reduce information that they give even further.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 04, 2021, 04:42:50 AM

Quote from: Rengga Jati on April 02, 2021, 05:20:45 PM

Does it mean offline poker betting?
Well, if it is about it, I think it is about emotional control. Some professional gamblers will have good emotional controls where the facial expression, body language, and also how they look are not predictable. Some people just play flat without noticed being happy or sad. So, it means that if you are ready to bet, it is better also to be ready in emotional control. Without it, we cannot control our emotions and we may have certain expressions that lead others to think or interpret something.

When I was young I was able to watched a gambling called poker when this became my mother past time and entertaining herself. Looking the faces of the player i can say that they are all seriously paying attention on the game, i just wonder does it really hard to play this game. I used to learn this game and now I can say that it is unpredictable game and a tricky at the same time. It is a game where we can't rely on luck and your skills, your techniques and your crucial thinking can lead you to win the game if not then you're just throwing your money in this kind of game.

I am not so lucky to learn how to bluff other people like you. But what I get is hard to learn the trick to become unpredicted for the other player, and I guess that is if we have more experiences of playing poker with many peoples, so we can learn how they bluff the opponent player. Maybe playing a poker game is not hard as it says, but the trick is hard to learn, so that is why many people fail to trick the opponent. I can imagine how the newbie playing with some people, and that newbie do not have something that can trick the other people. That newbie can lose many times without winning, but if he can learn how to trick the other player, maybe he can win one or two times.

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Quote from: molsewid on April 04, 2021, 04:42:50 AM

It is a game where we can't rely on luck and your skills, your techniques and your crucial thinking can lead you to win the game if not then you're just throwing your money in this kind of game.

Is poker a game of skill or chance? Of course, it is both, but the question is whether one is more important than the other. Luck certainly plays an important role, but skill is important too.
People who insist that poker is primarily about chance are effectively saying that skill is somehow insignificant in the scheme of things. Although that may be the way some people play poker, the simple truth is that you can always learn to play better. Everyone has the chance to do this, as far as I can tell.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on April 03, 2021, 10:52:38 PM

This is difficult to do and from my experience, those people that with extraordinary ability to control their emotions can only do this and often times they treat gambling as their career. If in a normal situation or other type of gambling games we can't control our emotion then being unpredicatable in poker is really impossible. Each of us has a 1 or 2 particular strategy that we follow in gambling, if we stick to that then in the long run our opponent will get used to it. To be unpredictable is to use different types of strategy as well as learning to be emotionless in different situations.

To learn how to hide your emotions, you can enroll in an acting improvisation group. This is the so-called stand-up.

Classes are held both in pairs (two partners) and in groups (several partners). At the beginning of the session, participants perform exercises that develop attunement with partners. Indeed, in acting improvisation, the main thing is not to interfere with the partner (not to pull the blanket over yourself).

This is a very valuable skill for the player. In some gambling games, the player needs to play not alone, but with a partner.

It is important not only to skillfully hide your emotions.

Perfect alignment with your partner is also very important.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on April 02, 2021, 05:20:45 PM

Does it mean offline poker betting?
Well, if it is about it, I think it is about emotional control. Some professional gamblers will have good emotional controls where the facial expression, body language, and also how they look are not predictable. Some people just play flat without noticed being happy or sad. So, it means that if you are ready to bet, it is better also to be ready in emotional control. Without it, we cannot control our emotions and we may have certain expressions that lead others to think or interpret something.

When I was young I was able to watched a gambling called poker when this became my mother past time and entertaining herself. Looking the faces of the player i can say that they are all seriously paying attention on the game, i just wonder does it really hard to play this game. I used to learn this game and now I can say that it is unpredictable game and a tricky at the same time. It is a game where we can't rely on luck and your skills, your techniques and your crucial thinking can lead you to win the game if not then you're just throwing your money in this kind of game.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 03, 2021, 01:43:33 PM

just realized that a good way to practice hiding emotions is also practicing theater.
and also using a mirror
but it may take a lot of technique to be able to control the body, quite hard to master, probably.

I'm pretty sure doing theater is overboard as practice when you just want to play? I mean, I'd sure as hell just spend my passion in theater all the time if I ever started it instead of staying in gambling. And you don't really need to master much when it comes to gambling, unlike in theater plays (Though it does help in body language, both in doing it yourself and reading it through the other actors). Still, the hardest to master would probably intentionally sending fake body signals and facial expressions to the other parties, since if they ever try to read you through that, you can just fake it out and turn that into your own advantage.

Faking your emotions helps if you master it perfectly. It's not as easy at it is but very possible if you are really taking things seriously.

A lots of strategy and practices that you needed to understand in order to have some good edge against those experienced players who knows how to read r how to anticipate and counter your attempts.

You need to work and make sure to analyze each moves that you are trying to use keep trying to enhance each time you participate in any game and see if what are the good things that's being added to your game. win/lose should be calculated.

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Quote from: Mauser on April 03, 2021, 06:12:40 AM

A poker face is very hard to keep up for hours and hours of playing.

Just show no emotion if you're going to do that. People who have been in that game and managed to get to show no emotion, they know how to do it and can sit for a long time without showing what they feel.

Quote from: Mauser on April 03, 2021, 06:12:40 AM

There are quite a few people on the table who observe any expression of your face and even look at your throat how heavily you are breathing. When playing serious for money I would recommend to wear sunglasses, a hoodie and. a scarf. This makes sure that other people can't read you that easily. Being unpredictable also helps, as long as you are playing good poker.

Yeah, it's always one factor that other players look at but it's not just all about having a poker face but you can also fake a smile or disappointment in front of them.

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Quote from: traderethereum on April 03, 2021, 06:40:28 AM

Maybe we can use poker face in a limited time, so we do not have to feel tormented using that.
But for a pro poker player will figure out the other way to give a trick to their opponent, so the opponent will not know if they have a good card.
Using those things can help us be undetected by the opponent, but we should be aware of the rules because sometimes, the casino can use that rule.
But it is hard to be unpredictable in a poker game as we can meet the pro poker player, which is not easy to trick them.

Yeah if the tournament is being broadcasted on TV then it is very unlikely that you can fully cover your face. It will always be a tradeoff between entertainment for TV purposes and playing the best and most unpredictable poker we can do. The problem when our cards are being broadcasted is that all other players can watch the feed 30 minutes later and see if we were bluffing or not. This changes a lot for us because we aren't so unpredictable anymore. Since the pandemic a lot of more online tournaments are being broadcasted aswell, which takes away a big part of our strategy in poker to remain unpredictable.

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Playing a poker face is the basic way to act unreadable in the game poker even though you have a good card you won't show your emotions instead act as if you will lose. Just playing mind games with your opponents will make them bait your bluff. In the end if you don't want this kind hastle play online so you don't have to worry about your facial expressions.

It is not the Poker face is what you need but to Fold your emotion and never let anyone find it there.
But like one Poster , Yeah it won't be called as Pokerface if it is not adopted in that Game and strategy.

Quote from: xSkylarx on April 03, 2021, 10:52:38 PM

This is difficult to do and from my experience, those people that with extraordinary ability to control their emotions can only do this and often times they treat gambling as their career. If in a normal situation or other type of gambling games we can't control our emotion then being unpredicatable in poker is really impossible. Each of us has a 1 or 2 particular strategy that we follow in gambling, if we stick to that then in the long run our opponent will get used to it. To be unpredictable is to use different types of strategy as well as learning to be emotionless in different situations.

It does not need Extraordinary skill to do this mate, Instead all you need is to Maintain your emotion why Playing .
That will be the Best way for opponent not to Read you.

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This is difficult to do and from my experience, those people that with extraordinary ability to control their emotions can only do this and often times they treat gambling as their career. If in a normal situation or other type of gambling games we can't control our emotion then being unpredicatable in poker is really impossible. Each of us has a 1 or 2 particular strategy that we follow in gambling, if we stick to that then in the long run our opponent will get used to it. To be unpredictable is to use different types of strategy as well as learning to be emotionless in different situations.

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