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Quote from: Beparanf on May 22, 2021, 10:26:01 AM

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

I disagree. If it were so, poker bots would be winning all the time, because surely they "know" those things, probability and statistics, better than any human poker player.

The more I play poker, the more I realize that there's something else, maybe something that may look a bit irrational even, that is very important to win in poker. I said "may look' because in fact it's not irrational. Your actions may look irrational to your opponents, while you do it to be unpredictable, that's all.

This. Statistics and probability? Yep, they're most likely needed, though it's more of actually memorizing the cards that are possible for you to lose against while pairing up with the cards the dealer has already placed. That's just determining your odds though, and it's not like you can always fold when your cards are bad, or heck even at the middle range good cards. Bluffing is needed to guarantee a win in those cases, since it adds what @betwrong said, unpredictability.

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Quote from: Natsuu on May 22, 2021, 01:27:22 PM

Second is to know your own habits (when affected by emotions), people are tend to show habitual actions depending on their emotions and this was observable especially when in the gambling table.

Sometimes we just don't know our own habits, sometimes our habits have unwittingly been learned by our opponents. Especially if we can't control
our emotions when playing gambling, this is very clear to our opponents and usually our steps are easy to predict. Therefore it is necessary to
understand ourselves, after that exercise to control emotions is very important. That way we can make changes to our habits, so this will surprise
our opponents, this is what ultimately makes us unpredictable.

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Poker face and make it looks natural, that's truly hard to predict what encircling inside your minds.

Lots of gamblers practice this and make it realistic, they use this skills to take advantage with those gamblers who played against them,

if you able to practice this and managed to make it more realistic from time to time, you really got the opportunities to collect winning stats each time you made a call.

Besides the traditional poker face, aspiring pro poker players, mind games can be a good way to make things much more complicated for your opponents because they will be second guessing everytime since you employ two ways to confuse your opponent.

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Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

I disagree. If it were so, poker bots would be winning all the time, because surely they "know" those things, probability and statistics, better than any human poker player.

The more I play poker, the more I realize that there's something else, maybe something that may look a bit irrational even, that is very important to win in poker. I said "may look' because in fact it's not irrational. Your actions may look irrational to your opponents, while you do it to be unpredictable, that's all.

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Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

yes, it's even harder to learn how to hide expressions without the mask/glass/scarf etc... and how to be more aware of our body expression,
quite a challenge

studying body language and observing it on other people doing everyday movements and actions is also quite rewarding for this.

In other words, playing poker of course doesn't always focus on the cards we have, everyone at the table will pay attention to the expressions of their playing opponents. this will damage our concentration in playing, if so of course offline poker games will not be fun, and the best option is to choose to play poker online.

hahahahah no way!
I find way more enjoyment on playing poker offline than online.
Online is more about the game, and only.
offline adds many other dimensions, making it much more challenge imo

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Quote from: Natsuu on May 22, 2021, 01:27:22 PM

Third is to gain experience. You can't just learn it by day (Though, there are people who can do it almost the first time) but nevertheless, in our case, practice makes perfect.

Yes, many people are so lucky for their first winning. But in fact, they may be very hard to get that kind of winning later. Does it only a matter of luck and unlucku or it has also relation to the platform, that let beginner to win for the first bet?

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The first and essential thing is to know how to show poker face

Second is to know your own habits (when affected by emotions), people are tend to show habitual actions depending on their emotions and this was observable especially when in the gambling table.

Third is to gain experience. You can't just learn it by day (Though, there are people who can do it almost the first time) but nevertheless, in our case, practice makes perfect.

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I think playing poker requires a good eye and knowledge of the statistics and probability of the outcome of the card it's hard to just imagine what kind of card you will get. We've seen some of them told it depends on the outcome base on the Dealers shuffling the cards. As for now, I've seen a lot of casinos in every game they get a different set of cards to prevent the doubt of their players. These are just things I observe on the opinion of people I know and my perspective too. Still, it's a risk-reward game the higher you risk the higher chance to win or lose.

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Quote from: Beparanf on May 22, 2021, 10:26:01 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on May 19, 2021, 08:33:13 AM

Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

The correct way of bluffing is very hard, sure we can just try to bluff with any two cars, but the risk of running into the nuts is very high like that. We need to block atleast some part of the nuts with our hand to have a plausible bluff. I agree that professional poker players rely heavily on statistics, so bluff against them is extra hard. Too many times a good poker player will just call you down with Ace or King high, because the chances that you both miss the flop, turn and river is quite high. On Youtube it seems so cool to watch the best off bluff compilations, but these are very rare hands. I think its better to just play the best hands and don't try to rely too much on bluffing.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 22, 2021, 10:43:51 AM

Quote from: Beparanf on May 22, 2021, 10:26:01 AM

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

It is true that probability and statistics are fundamental. But there are many variants and strategies. So it is necessary to be able to read the opponent, to try to understand what this strategy is. If you stick to the statistics, the chances of losing increase. We cannot forget that a human player can be unpredictable.

Yeah, depending on statistics whether you are playing poker or making a sports match bet, does not increase your chances of winning most of the time. Especially, in Poker reading your opponent is the key. It might sound unrealistic, but by the time you will start automatically feel that you will start to read him by his emotions, facial expressions, anxiety, change in this voice tone, or even fear.

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Quote from: Beparanf on May 22, 2021, 10:26:01 AM

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

It is true that probability and statistics are fundamental. But there are many variants and strategies. So it is necessary to be able to read the opponent, to try to understand what this strategy is. If you stick to the statistics, the chances of losing increase. We cannot forget that a human player can be unpredictable.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 19, 2021, 08:33:13 AM

Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.

If you mean bluffing, then real poker player will not fall very often on that trick as long as there is strong base on the card statistics which they are analysing and practicing many times. I don't know what kind of strategy you are pertaining but being good on probability and statistics is the only strategy needed to win on poker. Bluffing is just an add-ons and will not gonna work against professional player.

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Being unpredictable and sometimes follow confidence can win you some bets. I don't know whether you guys aware of the game Rummy but it is all about looking confident even when you get the worst cards during the distribution of cards. I have played almost all the online games like Poker, Runny, BJ,etc and I think sometimes in games like Rummy you just need to look confident (especially when you are playing it live in-person) because the other plays have the option to throw cards for a minimal loss and I have won some games where I ended up having the worst cards but the other plays threw their card believing that I have got some of the best ones.

Being unpredictable works quite good but in games where the opponent is the house, you will most likely never have an advantage doing such tricks, these things work when you are playing against players.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 14, 2021, 09:07:35 AM

Quote from: mindrust on May 14, 2021, 06:20:26 AM

Even when people think they are acting randomly, they are still not really acting randomly but following a pattern.

Play this game and test how random you really are:

https://www.expunctis.com/2019/03/07/Not-so-random.html

When you keep clicking the randomize button you'll see that your balance going higher. And whenever you decide to press left-right yourself, your balance will go down. People are not really random. Machines can guess your next move easily. If machines can, other people also can.

This game is too basic, with only 2 options, it has a 50% chance of getting it right, so it is easy to guess more than half of our options.
In a wide range of variations, it is difficult for a PC to predict our unpredictability.

If it is too basic I'd like to view a screenshot (or better, a video sample) showing how you beat the game. Since it is so simple... you should be able to beat it.

This game might be a basic one but AI is getting better every second. I don't know how good AI is right now but I expect it to be better than you think. It is a huge field now many devs are working on it.

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Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

and not to mentioned those who have a great instincts , Because i have a friend that is good at it, he even winning in gambling using his inner instincts .

But yeah body language and facial expression is one tool to find your opponents weaknesses .

that is cool!
and quite hard to practice. in reality there's not really a way to practice it besides connecting to yourself, observing and trusting your gut
some people have a good radar, almost like they could smell fear or other emotions.

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Quote from: Betwrong on May 14, 2021, 03:39:19 AM

Guys, from your posts it looks like there is no such thing as online poker, where no one can see your face expression or read your body language. What about those online games where people are winning millions, and what about the fact that many of those who are good at online games are good at live ones too?

I don't want to sound like I know everything, I can be wrong, but I personally think that there are things in poker that much more important than body language. Those are: time taken for making a call/raise compared to your usual time for making a call/raise/fold and the size of your current bet compared to previous sizes. ... If you can read others by those traits, and if you are good at concealing yours, you win.

Again, I know I can be wrong. And this is a very interesting topic to me, so I'm open to discussion.

Of course, there is online poker. For professional players they serve more to train strategies. Of course, they also try to make money, but usually the goal is to train. For amateurs, it can be a way of trying to earn some money.

Now online poker is more difficult and easier at the same time. On the one hand, it is more difficult to understand the strategy that opponents use, and to discover patterns. On the other hand, it is played with amateurs that is easier to win.

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No one wants to discuss online poker here?

I'm asking you, guys, please read my post above, and tell what you think.

The thing is that that's my own theory, I've never heard or read about it, and it's very interesting to me what other poker players think about it.

I know many people think that only live casino poker is the "real poker", because only there you can utilize your skills of reading other people's emotions and hiding yours, but then how to explain the fact that, I'll cite my post from above, "many of those who are good at online games are good at live ones too"?

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 06:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Poker is a Mind game , if you don't know how to handle your desire in winning then you will surely lose , because how many times that you need to pretend to be smart while letting them off your guard.
I know Poker for long time and believe me , majority of players lose than wins.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 06:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

practicing while in actual gambling will save your asses mate.

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Quote from: fortunecrypto on May 14, 2021, 04:58:44 AM

Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 06:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

and not to mentioned those who have a great instincts , Because i have a friend that is good at it, he even winning in gambling using his inner instincts .

But yeah body language and facial expression is one tool to find your opponents weaknesses .

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Quote from: Mauser on May 14, 2021, 09:47:26 AM

Quote from: fortunecrypto on May 14, 2021, 04:58:44 AM

Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 06:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

yes, it's even harder to learn how to hide expressions without the mask/glass/scarf etc... and how to be more aware of our body expression,
quite a challenge

studying body language and observing it on other people doing everyday movements and actions is also quite rewarding for this.

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