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Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

In addition, in the game of poker at least you will not always get the same opponent, so even though you have a lot of practice which of course has a lot of experience but still, with opponents who are never the same you have to be vigilant in playing poker. Being unpredictable is a difficult thing, because after all you always have the feeling that it will pop into the look on your face and eyes when you see the card in hand.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

Being afraid of giving away takes during poker games is real issue. That is probably why at the moment is the best time to play poker on casino. Wearing a face mask will hide most our expression, if on top of that we wear a scarf, hat and glasses it should be impossible for anybody to read us. But if we do that than it is very likely that other players will do so too. Being able to show expressions is a good thing in my opinion because we can look excited when actually having a bad hand. As long as we can control our emotions we can make good use of them. Then again when playing online all these points are invalid.

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Quote from: mindrust on May 14, 2021, 07:20:26 AM

Even when people think they are acting randomly, they are still not really acting randomly but following a pattern.

Play this game and test how random you really are:

https://www.expunctis.com/2019/03/07/Not-so-random.html

When you keep clicking the randomize button you'll see that your balance going higher. And whenever you decide to press left-right yourself, your balance will go down. People are not really random. Machines can guess your next move easily. If machines can, other people also can.

This game is too basic, with only 2 options, it has a 50% chance of getting it right, so it is easy to guess more than half of our options.
In a wide range of variations, it is difficult for a PC to predict our unpredictability.

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Quote from: jossiel on March 19, 2021, 07:47:27 PM

You just have to play randomly and bluff randomly.

Even when people think they are acting randomly, they are still not really acting randomly but following a pattern.

Play this game and test how random you really are:

https://www.expunctis.com/2019/03/07/Not-so-random.html

When you keep clicking the randomize button you'll see that your balance going higher. And whenever you decide to press left-right yourself, your balance will go down. People are not really random. Machines can guess your next move easily. If machines can, other people also can.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

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Yeah, but you are right still the over smart poker champion will use such a category to bluff you so it's too much complicated if you take lot of things into account while predicting the oppositions cards.

So play your game at best while use bluff occasionally.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Practice makes perfect that's the only way to do that, but even if a player is good at hiding his expression and his feelings, experienced poker players are also good at reading your body language, so it's not only your facial expression but also your body language that you need to hide for you be competitive in poker games.

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Do this, without becoming theatrical. If not, it will give you the clear idea that you are playing a meaningless and logical game, and that way it will be easier for opponents to be able to understand what you are trying to do.

Yeah, I forgot to add that you should look natural when you are doing a poker face because a bad one is a good tell that you are hiding something and makes you easy to predict. Another one I think you can do is play risky all the time but that is if you can handle the stress of playing risky.

Poker face and make it looks natural, that's truly hard to predict what encircling inside your minds.

Lots of gamblers practice this and make it realistic, they use this skills to take advantage with those gamblers who played against them,

if you able to practice this and managed to make it more realistic from time to time, you really got the opportunities to collect winning stats each time you made a call.

Guys, from your posts it looks like there is no such thing as online poker, where no one can see your face expression or read your body language. What about those online games where people are winning millions, and what about the fact that many of those who are good at online games are good at live ones too?

I don't want to sound like I know everything, I can be wrong, but I personally think that there are things in poker that much more important than body language. Those are: time taken for making a call/raise compared to your usual time for making a call/raise/fold and the size of your current bet compared to previous sizes. ... If you can read others by those traits, and if you are good at concealing yours, you win.

Again, I know I can be wrong. And this is a very interesting topic to me, so I'm open to discussion.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Is there a way that you can ensure being difficult to predict at Poker? For example, if you never bluff, people will eventually get to known that and it will reduce your ability to profit from good cards? Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

You can do Yoga this is the best way to remain calm and avoid to excited when reading your card, you can also do a lot of practice in front of the mirror and check and study your facial expression if the signs of excitement will show up in your face, you just have to be dedicated and practice a lot, having an expressionless face is not an easy task but you can get it with the right method and practice.

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Quote from: nitrobetting on May 12, 2021, 12:06:49 PM

In my case, I've learned that unpredictability is complex in such a way that a lot of factors can affect how to anticipate your decisions like timing, momentum and reaction to certain situations. There are a lot of ways to play poker, you can be aggressive or passive but never forget it's still a game of chances. I think being unpredictable comes easy at first set of hands just because it's all fair game until someone builds a stack and by then the real poker game really starts.

That's right we have to think bigger since there's a lot of ways to become unpredictable but still not a guaranteed way to win since many poker players also practice this one, perhaps most of them. If you want to become unpredictable you must study how to have a self-control and to control every emotion that you can possibly get in gambling, or if you just want to have fun then express your real self and just enjoy the poker game.

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You talk about the past

As far as I know, neural networks have long defeated people in limit poker and the only stronghold where people still win is no-limit (although I have not been interested in this topic for a year, and perhaps this bastion has already fallen). And as I understand it, the AI should not be able to bluff to effectively beat people.

interesting, out of curiosity I went searching a bit about it and found these 2 articles:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/05/artificial-intelligence-ethics-poker-libratus-texas-holdem-ai-deepstack
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2019/09/13/artificial-intelligence-masters-the-game-of-poker--what-does-that-mean-for-humans/?sh=331e5695f9ea

so you're right this is not new info since the second article was published in 2019.

so by that we just proved that:
math = true > bluffing
?

that may generate some quite interesting paradigms on society...

Sure. I think bluffing has chances at a very short distance, literally a few dozen hands. Any long distance devalues it to zero as the neural network begins to "understand" it. Taking into account the fact that an exposed bluff is almost always a loss, it turns out that bluffing is unprofitable at a distance.
And if you take into account the distances at which professionals are now figuring out who is stronger (hundreds of thousands of hands), everything is pretty obvious.

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Quote from: paxmao on March 19, 2021, 07:37:45 PM

Anyone there knows techniques or trick to avoid being easy to read?

Sometimes in the game of poker theory is not enough, but from experience losing and making changes (practice) can have good results in the future.

You are right, playing poker must have tricks and techniques to see the opponent's card, it is very difficult to explain here, without directly involving in the game.

Sometimes google provides a little description of the practice of doing poker betting tricks and techniques, for that this way: 9 Basic Poker Strategy Tips for Beginners, can add a little knowledge in determining the direction of the game of poker, at least to be better than before.

Poker like most things in life requires both, you need to have some theoretic knowledge about the game to be able to play it at a good enough level, but after some time your biggest improvements are going to come from putting in practice that knowledge and this is something that can only be achieved by playing, some of those lessons you will learn are going to be incredibly expensive but at least you are never going to forget them due to the cost you will need to pay.

Correct.

I've seen a video of poker in which Kevin Hart plays poker with his colleagues, and Kevin just acted like the way he does, being a funny guy, and he won the game by bluffs. My conclusion is that in order to make a bluff successful, don't change your facial expression and the way you play your bets in poker even though you have a bad cards for your opponents to be confused on what you have, that's only based on my observation though.

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Quote from: KTChampions on May 11, 2021, 06:43:59 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on May 11, 2021, 06:18:49 PM

I'd bring this point on AI.

how long do you think for us to have modern AI being able to bluff effectivelly?

DO you remember how google translator was worse like 5 or 10 years ago?
translation is much better now and probably in 10-30 years human translators will have a hard time finding new jobs...

You talk about the past

As far as I know, neural networks have long defeated people in limit poker and the only stronghold where people still win is no-limit (although I have not been interested in this topic for a year, and perhaps this bastion has already fallen). And as I understand it, the AI should not be able to bluff to effectively beat people.

interesting, out of curiosity I went searching a bit about it and found these 2 articles:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/05/artificial-intelligence-ethics-poker-libratus-texas-holdem-ai-deepstack
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2019/09/13/artificial-intelligence-masters-the-game-of-poker--what-does-that-mean-for-humans/?sh=331e5695f9ea

so you're right this is not new info since the second article was published in 2019.

so by that we just proved that:
math = true > bluffing
?

that may generate some quite interesting paradigms on society...

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In my case, I've learned that unpredictability is complex in such a way that a lot of factors can affect how to anticipate your decisions like timing, momentum and reaction to certain situations. There are a lot of ways to play poker, you can be aggressive or passive but never forget it's still a game of chances. I think being unpredictable comes easy at first set of hands just because it's all fair game until someone builds a stack and by then the real poker game really starts.

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Quote from: Alucard1 on May 12, 2021, 02:07:41 AM

I am not an expert in poker but the best solution for your problem is just to play randomly, control your emotions and always consistent with your plan. People may read your cards based on your emotion and how you act once you see your card, you may also trick them whenever you got bad cards then make your emotion good or whenever you got good cards then pretend to be not good. You may trick them by doing these things, but you should not do it continuously because they will know to read you as well if you do it continously.

Sticking to a plan and being random is somewhat contradictory, don't you think? Wink

The problem of reading a card by emotion is a thing of the past. Now the conversation is mainly about online poker and programs that collect statistics on players which makes it possible to predict their actions with a greater degree of success.

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You should try to play mostly with different opponents.Just like the NSA can track anyone using TOR browser and having the same browsing habits,if you play with the same opponents always they will start to read your play patterns.I used to play a lot in Zynga Poker in Facebook a few years ago and I liked the tournaments because usually there were new opponents.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 12, 2021, 04:17:08 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on May 12, 2021, 02:55:49 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on May 12, 2021, 02:46:54 AM

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Do this, without becoming theatrical. If not, it will give you the clear idea that you are playing a meaningless and logical game, and that way it will be easier for opponents to be able to understand what you are trying to do.

Yeah, I forgot to add that you should look natural when you are doing a poker face because a bad one is a good tell that you are hiding something and makes you easy to predict. Another one I think you can do is play risky all the time but that is if you can handle the stress of playing risky.

Poker face and make it looks natural, that's truly hard to predict what encircling inside your minds.

Lots of gamblers practice this and make it realistic, they use this skills to take advantage with those gamblers who played against them,

if you able to practice this and managed to make it more realistic from time to time, you really got the opportunities to collect winning stats each time you made a call.

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Quote from: joker_josue on May 12, 2021, 02:55:49 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on May 12, 2021, 02:46:54 AM

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Do this, without becoming theatrical. If not, it will give you the clear idea that you are playing a meaningless and logical game, and that way it will be easier for opponents to be able to understand what you are trying to do.

Yeah, I forgot to add that you should look natural when you are doing a poker face because a bad one is a good tell that you are hiding something and makes you easy to predict. Another one I think you can do is play risky all the time but that is if you can handle the stress of playing risky.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on May 12, 2021, 02:46:54 AM

Just practice poker face and limit your movements or make a lot of movements so they can't find the pattern on your moves. I think that those are the only things that matter in a game of poker, make a really flamboyant one so they think that you are cocky or be tacit and have them question your next move.

Do this, without becoming theatrical. If not, it will give you the clear idea that you are playing a meaningless and logical game, and that way it will be easier for opponents to be able to understand what you are trying to do.

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Just practice poker face and limit your movements or make a lot of movements so they can't find the pattern on your moves. I think that those are the only things that matter in a game of poker, make a really flamboyant one so they think that you are cocky or be tacit and have them question your next move.

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I am not an expert in poker but the best solution for your problem is just to play randomly, control your emotions and always consistent with your plan. People may read your cards based on your emotion and how you act once you see your card, you may also trick them whenever you got bad cards then make your emotion good or whenever you got good cards then pretend to be not good. You may trick them by doing these things, but you should not do it continuously because they will know to read you as well if you do it continously.

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