Why do you even need an island?
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Topic: Best place to build the Bitcoin island in the international waters - page 16. (Read 16680 times)
April 11, 2014, 03:20:35 AM
April 11, 2014, 12:22:19 AM
Some $10 billion USD in funding will be needed to build an island of 10 sq.km in size. That is $1,000 per square meter. So a typical 400 sq.m plot will cost you $400,000.
The land prices are quite high. But considering the fact that there will be no wealth tax or corporate tax, it will pay off in the long term.
April 10, 2014, 09:12:44 PM
hmm, sand is really cheaper than I thought, just googled it, apparently it's around 20$ per ton
the question is how much we're going to need
and it's a lot
the question is how much we're going to need
and it's a lot
Some $10 billion USD in funding will be needed to build an island of 10 sq.km in size. That is $1,000 per square meter. So a typical 400 sq.m plot will cost you $400,000.
April 10, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
Sand is cheap, but a ton is much less volume than you'd think. Getting it there is a much greater cost. Dredging it from the near by ocean bottom would be more practical. You'll need a substrate though. Something to hold the sand in place. Large limestone boulders in a huge stack would work... but 30' is a lot of damn rock. once you get close to the surface, cyprus trees could hold the finer particles together.
April 10, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
before making any real decisions we should know how shallow the waters are there, how deep it is
damn, 17m-29m, isn't really shallow as I thought
that would be a hell lot of sand
hmm, sand is really cheaper than I thought, just googled it, apparently it's around 20$ per ton
the question is how much we're going to need
and it's a lot
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Saya de Malha Bank consists of a series of narrow shoals, with depths from 17 to 29 m (56 to 95 ft) on the rim. They are arranged in a semicircular manner, around a space, the former lagoon, about 73 m (240 ft) deep, which slopes on the Southeast. Some areas of the bank are shallow, less than 10 m (33 ft) below the surface. The shallowest sites known are Poydenot Rock, at a depth of 8 m (26 ft), and an unnamed site 145 km (90 mi) further northwest, with a depth of 7 m (23 ft)
damn, 17m-29m, isn't really shallow as I thought
that would be a hell lot of sand
hmm, sand is really cheaper than I thought, just googled it, apparently it's around 20$ per ton
the question is how much we're going to need
and it's a lot
April 10, 2014, 02:23:05 PM
Quantum entanglement based computing will solve the problem of internet delay, and we are close to invent the teleport, so the trading problem will be over soon. Money won't be a problem when BTC reaches 1billion each. The space ops will be like the internet or mobile phoes, in few decades we will be far ahead than we might imagine now, we just need to believe.
Yeah, right, I don't know about that, but anyway we don't have those things right now. And when we've got those things we can start discussing a colonization of Mars. We got to focus on what we can create with the technology we've got right now, not with technology that we might have in the future.Also, unless the dollar rate drops extremely much, I really doubt we'll get to see 1 billion dollars per BTC.
April 10, 2014, 01:37:28 PM
Quantum entanglement based computing will solve the problem of internet delay, and we are close to invent the teleport, so the trading problem will be over soon. Money won't be a problem when BTC reaches 1billion each. The space ops will be like the internet or mobile phoes, in few decades we will be far ahead than we might imagine now, we just need to believe.
April 10, 2014, 11:23:30 AM
Sorry. No floating temporary structures. We are going for a permanent artificial island.
You'll need some sort of a planform to work from to build the permanent structure. A barge with a solar/wind powered pump and a dredge might get you going... but you're going to need something large that floats.
April 10, 2014, 11:02:40 AM
The UAE islands are more rock than sand. There is plenty of information regarding how it was build, look it up.
Concrete is hygroscopic... so no matter how well you build this island, you will get water inside everything. Salt creep would also be a major issue. The salt crystallization would also likely destroy the concrete from the inside. Strong concrete is reinforced with rebar. I imagine the cost of rebar that would not be very quickly corroded beyond use would be very high. Pykrete might be a better short term, floating island solution.
Maybe we could cover the concrete foundations with a thin layer of aluminum? Aluminum 5754 is pretty resistant to salt water if understand it correctly. Concrete is hygroscopic... so no matter how well you build this island, you will get water inside everything. Salt creep would also be a major issue. The salt crystallization would also likely destroy the concrete from the inside. Strong concrete is reinforced with rebar. I imagine the cost of rebar that would not be very quickly corroded beyond use would be very high. Pykrete might be a better short term, floating island solution.
April 10, 2014, 10:25:17 AM
Pykrete might be a better short term, floating island solution.
Sorry. No floating temporary structures. We are going for a permanent artificial island.
April 10, 2014, 08:38:46 AM
The UAE islands are more rock than sand. There is plenty of information regarding how it was build, look it up.
Concrete is hygroscopic... so no matter how well you build this island, you will get water inside everything. Salt creep would also be a major issue. The salt crystallization would also likely destroy the concrete from the inside. Strong concrete is reinforced with rebar. I imagine the cost of rebar that would not be very quickly corroded beyond use would be very high. Pykrete might be a better short term, floating island solution.
Concrete is hygroscopic... so no matter how well you build this island, you will get water inside everything. Salt creep would also be a major issue. The salt crystallization would also likely destroy the concrete from the inside. Strong concrete is reinforced with rebar. I imagine the cost of rebar that would not be very quickly corroded beyond use would be very high. Pykrete might be a better short term, floating island solution.
April 10, 2014, 06:06:27 AM
How about creating one of our own, just like UAE built Palm Islands by infilling the sea waters with sand?
That is the entire idea. Check my previous posts here. And we might have to use concrete pillars and plenty of rock along with the sand, for stability. And it is likely to be expensive.
April 10, 2014, 04:17:09 AM
I think we need to create a small main island first then just expand it when we have enough funds.
how small are you thinking?
If I were to decide. I would create the first island using floating concrete. A design that when we need to expand we can easily add another floating island concrete. The size big enough to be stable and hard anchor it on the seabed. When government near is not favorable we can transfer it to another location. Then we can create a permanent island if the idea is proven feasible.
I don't like that idea where someone can simply sink us down, we need an island, not a ship
Its not permanent its only temporary, it is not ship. hardly a ship. it like a floating match with multiple waterproof compartment inside with wall thinniest dimension is 2 meter thick of hard concrete. It can only be sink if you broke all air compartments.
April 10, 2014, 04:09:22 AM
I think we need to create a small main island first then just expand it when we have enough funds.
how small are you thinking?
If I were to decide. I would create the first island using floating concrete. A design that when we need to expand we can easily add another floating island concrete. The size big enough to be stable and hard anchor it on the seabed. When government near is not favorable we can transfer it to another location. Then we can create a permanent island if the idea is proven feasible.
I don't like that idea where someone can simply sink us down, we need an island, not a ship
April 10, 2014, 04:07:45 AM
I think we need to create a small main island first then just expand it when we have enough funds.
how small are you thinking?
If I were to decide. I would create the first island using floating concrete. A design that when we need to expand we can easily add another floating island concrete. The size big enough to be stable and hard anchor it on the seabed. Ten football fields is ok? When government near is not favorable we can transfer it to another location. Then we can create a permanent island if the idea is proven feasible.
April 10, 2014, 03:48:04 AM
I think we need to create a small main island first then just expand it when we have enough funds.
how small are you thinking?
April 10, 2014, 03:33:39 AM
I think we need to create a small main island first then just expand it when we have enough funds.
April 10, 2014, 03:15:40 AM
How about creating one of our own, just like UAE built Palm Islands by infilling the sea waters with sand?
that is the general idea
@for those saying space
too expensive + we couldn't trade with other nations and therefore could not force them to purchase our currency + no tourists
April 10, 2014, 03:11:44 AM
Here is a map of the international waters (deep blue).
Can anyone recommend me the ideal place to build the bitcoin island?
My choice would be the Saya de Malha Bank, but I am open to other ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saya_de_Malha_Bank
Can anyone recommend me the ideal place to build the bitcoin island?
My choice would be the Saya de Malha Bank, but I am open to other ideas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saya_de_Malha_Bank
Space.
April 10, 2014, 03:08:01 AM
How about creating one of our own, just like UAE built Palm Islands by infilling the sea waters with sand?
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