Topic: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon (Read 11291 times)

Oh, you were an executive, advisor or attorney for a voting machines company? Well pardon my mistake.


If you think they haven't already thought this out from at least a dozen other angles that could never possibly occur to you then you are woefully mistaken. Don't worry about them, they know what they're doing.


You were insisting that Giuliani has any remaining relevance or importance as an attorney, which he does not. Dominion employees aren't going to be deterred by his threats. Again, don't you think they would have considered this already?


Not up to you to decide. Given the fact that you continue to trip over yourself to defend Trump's lies even as reality came crashing down around the both of you, I find your judgment to be extremely suspect. I certainly don't trust anything you have to say, and it's a shame if anybody ever takes your words at face value.


This doesn't make sense. WHAT? You clearly understand what defamation means. Let me help you. This is defamation:



It doesn't matter if its partially false, wholly false, or "false on its face." It's both false and damaging, which is what matters as far as the actual law is concerned.

https://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/district-columbia-defamation-law

The first Element of Defamation according to D.C. law (where the lawsuit was filed) is:


Just like your whole plan about how Trump was going to make sure Biden doesn't get to 270 electoral votes. It was all bumpkiss which I don't understand why you bothered typing up in the first place. This situation is no different. Dreams of the hopelessly ignorant.

Nullius hot take aging like Nancy Pelosi.



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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/24/us/giuliani-law-license-suspension.html

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update:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/us/graham-georgia-investigation-trump.html

You play with Trump, but the vast majority of Americans are being stolen from by Biden through His and Congresses support of the Ukraine... which isn't something that Trump had anything to do with.

All that russia shit really tuned out to be something didn't it..

I would agree that Trumps behavior surrounding the 2020 election was similar to Russias for the 2016 election.  But the SD was not a big factor in the grand scheme of things, a lot of it has been confirmed true, and very little of it discredited.

America shouldn't tolerate Russia or Trumps behavior.

The Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation. The Russians fed disinformation about both Clinton and Trump, hoping that the losing party would claim "election interference" by the Russians. The Russians had little to gain from a Trump Presidency, but they had a lot to gain from trying to make the election illegitimate.

Why is he even bothering with lawyers anyway?
Unless at least 17 retrumplicans vote their conscience and/or have a grain of integrity, (hell will freeze over before that happens) he's getting acquitted.
And then of course he will be beating his chest proclaiming that this "tremendous verdict" vindicates him from all his criminal activities and proves the election was stolen from him.
After 2 months plus of that farcical shit, please....spare me....

(at least twitter won't be polluted with his embarrassing twaddle)

Suchmoon's odds are getting...... oh wait, nevermind.

Wait, Trump may need Giuliani again - sane lawyers are leaving him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-attorneys-part-ways-with-legal-team/

Giving Rudy a pass bc of the Steele Dossier is pretty weak.

The reason you think the Steele dossier was a joke is the same reason those people stormed the capital and millions of people believe the Trump actually got more votes than Biden.  Trump repeated it over and over and over, and so Republican lawmakers and the media repeated it over and over and over.  and so you repeated it over and over and over.

In reality, there's far more disinformation about the Steele Dossier than in it.  A lot of it has been confirmed, including the most important point - that the Russians were planning to influence the US election by helping Trump win. Most of what hasn't has confirmed has been determined likely true.

No court is going to tell Giuliani to shut up. This is regardless of if his claims are frivolous or not.

IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

As I said above, I don't think the outcome of this lawsuit is going to change anyone's minds who is a decision-maker regarding deciding if a local government is going to contract with Dominion or not.

If you read the lawsuit, Dominion calls out some of the sponsors to Giuliani's podcast, even though they are completely irrelevant to the case. I think Dominion was trying to put pressure on Giuliani's advertisers to drop him so that Giuliani would retract his statements.

I just need to note what a piece of shit Quicksy is, as if there was any doubt... can't "win" an argument with nutildah here so he slithered to Reputation to bump a ridiculous accusation thread against him. I mean FFS what a fucking nutjob do you have to be if you can't have a political argument without resorting to doxing and fake scam accusations.


I would suggest to take your own advice, asshole.

It’s not even about being smart or not, it’s just a way of making a court say that he should shut-up for his claims being totally wrong and having no backing in the least.

I assume they also want the courts to show that everything he has said is wrong as a way to ensure that people on the state and local level will continue to buy their machines — as places where Republicans hold power are going to be wary about using these systems if their voters think they enable fraud.

Ok, that makes sense now

As for discoveries and depositions - that circular fantasy is based on the belief that Dominion has something incriminating to be discovered. Given the circumstances (outlandish claims involving dead dictators etc) there is no such thing, not within the scope of the defamation lawsuit anyway, and no, Giuliani can't just dig into anything he wants. And he'll likely be bankrupt before Dominion is, if it comes to that. But probably they'll just settle for a token amount and Giuliani admitting that he made it all up.

It is generally not a good idea to make assumptions about people when you do not know their circumstances.

Actually no. Creditors make this decision all the time. If you are owed a million dollars from someone with no assets and no income, and you sue this person in court, all you will get is a worthless judgment and a bill from your lawyers. If the debitor wants to stick it to you, he might take actions to make you get a bigger bill from your lawyers.

I think you are the one who does not understand how the "law" (or specifically lawsuits) work. When you sue someone, you are opening yourself up to discovery and to being deposed.
If this is the case, Dominion's lawsuit would be frivolous. Dominion is claiming to have suffered $600 million in damages resulting from Guiliani's alleged defamation, but if Guiliani's statements were false on their face, there would be no damages.

Oh yeah, totally just a major PR play that they know isn’t going to end up paying them out anyway.

Giuliani could probably just say that all of his claims were made on behalf of the campaign or that he puts on a show and dance as a performer (not sure on the legal claims of all of this, but still) I think that due to Dominion being in the media a lot, they may have a higher bar they must prove in defamation

(Took one law class, awhile ago and this is something)

A copy of the Complaint can be found here.

I don't think Dominion was smart for filing this lawsuit. Giuliani almost certainly does not have significant assets, so Dominion is not going to recover what they are alleging are damages even if they win the case, and the case will give an opening for Guiliani to look for and air out any potential dirty laundry of Dominion's employees, and scrutinize Dominion itself. I doubt the outcome of the case will change many minds regarding Dominion, including those that are decision-makers deciding if local governments will employ Dominion.

 

TBH I'm not a big fan of defamation lawsuits, particularly by large corporations, but these types of cases are notoriously hard to win and Giuliani was deliberately making shit up so this seems to be well deserved. OTOH he doesn't have a billion dollars anyway so this is pretty much a PR play.

So what you’re saying SuchMoon is that you don’t support the entrepreneurial support of a GREAT AMERICAN trying to make some money out of a LEGITIMATE CLAIM about election fraud? God you hate to see it.

Maybe he was going to donate his money to the Steve Bannon border wall fundraiser.....