[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon

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Quote from: Poker Player on September 26, 2024, 11:01:36 PM

I proposed to make a bet on the subject in the US presidential election bets thread but nobody accepted it. It seems to me that they are more concerned about writing to meet the weekly quota than actually betting on a thread that is about betting.

As I see the last few of you commenting here are all lefties I would accept a bet of say ~~0.001 to 0.0025 BTC from one of you~~ 0.01BTC from suchmoon as discussed via PM, me betting that Trump wins.

Not that I am very sure he will win and not that I like the guy much either but since I like many of his policies like tax cuts and administrative simplification, much more than Kamala's if I have to bet I will bet on him.

I am kind of concerned with meeting my quota, because i an not finding that many interesting threads to write on. Normally, I meet and exceed my quota in an interesting week. On this one, I do not bet because I do not confuse what I would like with what might happen and right now with all that popular vote to Kam, but serious concerns in many swing states, well... it is just to close of a call.

Sorry for the small post... on to other to meet the quota.

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I proposed to make a bet on the subject in the US presidential election bets thread but nobody accepted it. It seems to me that they are more concerned about writing to meet the weekly quota than actually betting on a thread that is about betting.

As I see the last few of you commenting here are all lefties I would accept a bet of say ~~0.001 to 0.0025 BTC from one of you~~ 0.01BTC from suchmoon as discussed via PM, me betting that Trump wins.

Not that I am very sure he will win and not that I like the guy much either but since I like many of his policies like tax cuts and administrative simplification, much more than Kamala's if I have to bet I will bet on him.

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Quote from: suchmoon on September 26, 2024, 07:55:03 PM

Quote from: nutildah on September 26, 2024, 06:50:36 PM

Anybody taking a bet on Trump this year? Race seems to be pretty neck-and-neck at the moment.

What are you offering?

I'm just here for the popcorn. Seems to be about 1:1 odds at the moment, would be a good time for someone (else) to make a bet.

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Quote from: nutildah on September 26, 2024, 06:50:36 PM

Anybody taking a bet on Trump this year? Race seems to be pretty neck-and-neck at the moment.

What are you offering?

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What an entertaining thread I had totally forgotten about.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 26, 2024, 10:22:27 AM

If anyone is able, please let Nullius know that in addition to being disbarred in NY a few months ago, Rudy was just officially disbarred in Washington DC for his 2020 election shenanigans.

Careful what you wish for... If you say his name 3 times, he appears.

Anybody taking a bet on Trump this year? Race seems to be pretty neck-and-neck at the moment.

And what ever happened to eddie13? He's been inactive for over 2 years now.

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Quote from: nullius on November 23, 2020, 10:17:02 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on November 23, 2020, 01:37:41 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on November 23, 2020, 12:19:47 AM

And BTW the reason we have nutjobs like Rudy Giuliani and Lin Wood now on these cases is that reputable law firms don't want to touch this nonsense.

Actually law firms have decided to not represent the Trump campaign because of public pressure against these law firms and their other clients.

The pressure campaign to get law firms to drop the Trump Campaign as a client should be condemned in the strongest way possible. Everyone has a right to legal representation.

Representing a client is not an endorsement of their alleged actions or viewpoints. Representing a client is a means to ensure their rights are not violated and that the law is properly enforced.

*Weird flex*. It reminds me of:

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on November 15, 2019, 01:57:43 AM

It is the modern liberal that is against free speech.

Have my last remaining sMerit.

If, even in a case whereby the facts are undisputed, a drug-addicted rapist and murderer with a record of an incorrigibly felonious character were to lack an all-star legal dream team for his final death-row appeal, then the liberals would scream!

Whereas if an attorney dares to represent aggrieved voters and/or the reëlection campaign for the President of the United States, then he is a “nutjob” who is ipso facto engaged in frivolous litigation and other unethical conduct—subject even to disbarment (!).

Quote from: suchmoon on November 23, 2020, 12:19:47 AM

Some disbarments are more likely than this getting past SC,

You are obviously not a lawyer. You have no idea what the standards for disbarment are. Please stop opining from total ignorance—or else hit up West/Lexis, and show some case law applicable to any circumstance even remotely similar. Every state has mountains of published opinions about its rules of professional conduct for attorneys. Have fun with that.

If anyone is able, please let Nullius know that in addition to being disbarred in NY a few months ago, Rudy was just officially disbarred in Washington DC for his 2020 election shenanigans.

https://apnews.com/article/rudy-giuliani-disbarred-dc-washington-2020-election-trump-new-york-f555f010338fddbac0b0cbeb4a11d73d

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Quote from: nullius on November 23, 2020, 10:17:02 AM

Quote from: suchmoon on November 23, 2020, 12:19:47 AM

Some disbarments are more likely than this getting past SC,

You are obviously not a lawyer. You have no idea what the standards for disbarment are. Please stop opining from total ignorance—or else hit up West/Lexis, and show some case law applicable to any circumstance even remotely similar. Every state has mountains of published opinions about its rules of professional conduct for attorneys. Have fun with that.

Nullius hot take aging like Nancy Pelosi.

~snip~

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/24/us/giuliani-law-license-suspension.html

update:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/15/us/graham-georgia-investigation-trump.html

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on February 02, 2021, 11:11:15 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on February 02, 2021, 12:44:32 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on January 28, 2021, 02:25:09 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 28, 2021, 01:13:42 AM

IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

Giving Rudy a pass bc of the Steele Dossier is pretty weak.

The reason you think the Steele dossier was a joke is the same reason those people stormed the capital and millions of people believe the Trump actually got more votes than Biden. Trump repeated it over and over and over, and so Republican lawmakers and the media repeated it over and over and over. and so you repeated it over and over and over.

In reality, there's far more disinformation about the Steele Dossier than in it. A lot of it has been confirmed, including the most important point - that the Russians were planning to influence the US election by helping Trump win. Most of what hasn't has confirmed has been determined likely true.

The Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation. The Russians fed disinformation about both Clinton and Trump, hoping that the losing party would claim "election interference" by the Russians. The Russians had little to gain from a Trump Presidency, but they had a lot to gain from trying to make the election illegitimate.

I would agree that Trumps behavior surrounding the 2020 election was similar to Russias for the 2016 election. But the SD was not a big factor in the grand scheme of things, a lot of it has been confirmed true, and very little of it discredited.

America shouldn't tolerate Russia or Trumps behavior.

You play with Trump, but the vast majority of Americans are being stolen from by Biden through His and Congresses support of the Ukraine... which isn't something that Trump had anything to do with.

Cool

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All that russia shit really tuned out to be something didn't it..

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on February 02, 2021, 12:44:32 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on January 28, 2021, 02:25:09 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 28, 2021, 01:13:42 AM

IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

Giving Rudy a pass bc of the Steele Dossier is pretty weak.

The reason you think the Steele dossier was a joke is the same reason those people stormed the capital and millions of people believe the Trump actually got more votes than Biden. Trump repeated it over and over and over, and so Republican lawmakers and the media repeated it over and over and over. and so you repeated it over and over and over.

In reality, there's far more disinformation about the Steele Dossier than in it. A lot of it has been confirmed, including the most important point - that the Russians were planning to influence the US election by helping Trump win. Most of what hasn't has confirmed has been determined likely true.

The Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation. The Russians fed disinformation about both Clinton and Trump, hoping that the losing party would claim "election interference" by the Russians. The Russians had little to gain from a Trump Presidency, but they had a lot to gain from trying to make the election illegitimate.

I would agree that Trumps behavior surrounding the 2020 election was similar to Russias for the 2016 election. But the SD was not a big factor in the grand scheme of things, a lot of it has been confirmed true, and very little of it discredited.

America shouldn't tolerate Russia or Trumps behavior.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on January 28, 2021, 02:25:09 AM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 28, 2021, 01:13:42 AM

IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

Giving Rudy a pass bc of the Steele Dossier is pretty weak.

The reason you think the Steele dossier was a joke is the same reason those people stormed the capital and millions of people believe the Trump actually got more votes than Biden. Trump repeated it over and over and over, and so Republican lawmakers and the media repeated it over and over and over. and so you repeated it over and over and over.

In reality, there's far more disinformation about the Steele Dossier than in it. A lot of it has been confirmed, including the most important point - that the Russians were planning to influence the US election by helping Trump win. Most of what hasn't has confirmed has been determined likely true.

The Steele Dossier was Russian disinformation. The Russians fed disinformation about both Clinton and Trump, hoping that the losing party would claim "election interference" by the Russians. The Russians had little to gain from a Trump Presidency, but they had a lot to gain from trying to make the election illegitimate.

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Quote from: suchmoon on January 30, 2021, 09:24:23 PM

Wait, Trump may need Giuliani again - sane lawyers are leaving him.

....

Why is he even bothering with lawyers anyway?
Unless at least 17 retrumplicans vote their conscience and/or have a grain of integrity, (hell will freeze over before that happens) he's getting acquitted.
And then of course he will be beating his chest proclaiming that this "tremendous verdict" vindicates him from all his criminal activities and proves the election was stolen from him.
After 2 months plus of that farcical shit, please....spare me....

(at least twitter won't be polluted with his embarrassing twaddle)

Suchmoon's odds are getting...... oh wait, nevermind.

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Wait, Trump may need Giuliani again - sane lawyers are leaving him.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-attorneys-part-ways-with-legal-team/

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Two lawyers who had joined former President Trump's legal team amid his looming second impeachment trial have parted ways with his legal team. South Carolina attorney Butch Bowers, who was expected to be the lead attorney, and Deborah Barbier, are no longer part of his legal team, Trump spokesman Jason Miller said Saturday night.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 28, 2021, 01:13:42 AM

IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

Giving Rudy a pass bc of the Steele Dossier is pretty weak.

The reason you think the Steele dossier was a joke is the same reason those people stormed the capital and millions of people believe the Trump actually got more votes than Biden. Trump repeated it over and over and over, and so Republican lawmakers and the media repeated it over and over and over. and so you repeated it over and over and over.

In reality, there's far more disinformation about the Steele Dossier than in it. A lot of it has been confirmed, including the most important point - that the Russians were planning to influence the US election by helping Trump win. Most of what hasn't has confirmed has been determined likely true.

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Quote from: squatz1 on January 27, 2021, 05:28:47 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 26, 2021, 11:56:38 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 25, 2021, 10:05:16 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on January 11, 2021, 01:09:02 PM

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

It's fine, I think he would still be able to represent himself in the defamation lawsuit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dominion-files-defamation-lawsuit-against-rudy-giuliani-for-election-claims.html

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“While pushing the disinformation campaign that incited death threats and violence and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, Giuliani cashed in by hawking gold coins, supplements, cigars, and protection from ‘cyberthieves,’” Dominion legal counsel Thomas Clare said in a statement.

Lovely.

A copy of the Complaint can be found here.

I don't think Dominion was smart for filing this lawsuit. Giuliani almost certainly does not have significant assets, so Dominion is not going to recover what they are alleging are damages even if they win the case, and the case will give an opening for Guiliani to look for and air out any potential dirty laundry of Dominion's employees, and scrutinize Dominion itself. I doubt the outcome of the case will change many minds regarding Dominion, including those that are decision-makers deciding if local governments will employ Dominion.

It’s not even about being smart or not, it’s just a way of making a court say that he should shut-up for his claims being totally wrong and having no backing in the least.

I assume they also want the courts to show that everything he has said is wrong as a way to ensure that people on the state and local level will continue to buy their machines — as places where Republicans hold power are going to be wary about using these systems if their voters think they enable fraud.

No court is going to tell Giuliani to shut up. This is regardless of if his claims are frivolous or not.

IMO Giuliani was trying to discredit Biden's Presidency, similar to how the Steele dossier was used to discredit Trump's Presidency. In both cases, innocent people were caught in the crossfire.

As I said above, I don't think the outcome of this lawsuit is going to change anyone's minds who is a decision-maker regarding deciding if a local government is going to contract with Dominion or not.

If you read the lawsuit, Dominion calls out some of the sponsors to Giuliani's podcast, even though they are completely irrelevant to the case. I think Dominion was trying to put pressure on Giuliani's advertisers to drop him so that Giuliani would retract his statements.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 27, 2021, 01:44:36 AM

I just need to note what a piece of shit Quicksy is, as if there was any doubt... can't "win" an argument with nutildah here so he slithered to Reputation to bump a ridiculous accusation thread against him. I mean FFS what a fucking nutjob do you have to be if you can't have a political argument without resorting to doxing and fake scam accusations.

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When nutildah tries to troll me, I will generally ignore him. I would suggest you do the same.

I would suggest to take your own advice, asshole.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on January 26, 2021, 11:56:38 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on January 25, 2021, 10:05:16 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on January 11, 2021, 01:09:02 PM

New York State Bar Association Considers Expelling Rudy Giuliani
https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-east/ny-state-of-politics/2021/01/11/ny-bar-association-considers-expelling-rudy-giuliani

It's fine, I think he would still be able to represent himself in the defamation lawsuit:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/25/dominion-files-defamation-lawsuit-against-rudy-giuliani-for-election-claims.html

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“While pushing the disinformation campaign that incited death threats and violence and caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage, Giuliani cashed in by hawking gold coins, supplements, cigars, and protection from ‘cyberthieves,’” Dominion legal counsel Thomas Clare said in a statement.

Lovely.

A copy of the Complaint can be found here.

I don't think Dominion was smart for filing this lawsuit. Giuliani almost certainly does not have significant assets, so Dominion is not going to recover what they are alleging are damages even if they win the case, and the case will give an opening for Guiliani to look for and air out any potential dirty laundry of Dominion's employees, and scrutinize Dominion itself. I doubt the outcome of the case will change many minds regarding Dominion, including those that are decision-makers deciding if local governments will employ Dominion.

It’s not even about being smart or not, it’s just a way of making a court say that he should shut-up for his claims being totally wrong and having no backing in the least.

I assume they also want the courts to show that everything he has said is wrong as a way to ensure that people on the state and local level will continue to buy their machines — as places where Republicans hold power are going to be wary about using these systems if their voters think they enable fraud.

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Quote from: Hueristic on January 27, 2021, 02:06:43 AM

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"false on its face."

Ok, that makes sense now Grin

As for discoveries and depositions - that circular fantasy is based on the belief that Dominion has something incriminating to be discovered. Given the circumstances (outlandish claims involving dead dictators etc) there is no such thing, not within the scope of the defamation lawsuit anyway, and no, Giuliani can't just dig into anything he wants. And he'll likely be bankrupt before Dominion is, if it comes to that. But probably they'll just settle for a token amount and Giuliani admitting that he made it all up.

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