Topic: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon - page 4. (Read 11316 times)

The votes were cast on or before election day and so that case doesn't apply. Counting the votes is not the same as casting the vote. Why is that so hard for you to grasp.


Was any proof of that ever shown in the courts or are you just talking about people just saying it. And if proof was shown, was it enough to change the complete results? I think not and so like I said, you're just trying to wish crap into being.

Ah yes, this is what I was talking about. I think it is actually think it is 3 instead of 4. You'd think that the conservative bloc of ACB, Alito, and Thomas (or Roberts/Gorscheuh - spelling) would be able to easily 'give it' to Trump if there was at least some merit behind this case.

Everyone was screaming that the Conservative block was going to give it to Trump, and they didn't. That's really the end of it for the campaign in regards to legal challenges. PA was kind of the best bet for them, and that's not working out.

Results are certified, as the safe harbor deadline is today -- or was yesterday -- and that's the end of the road. Not really sure what else is being planned for this marketing stunt, but it's really done now.

The fact that mailed votes came in for days after the election, and were stripped of their postmark, and mixed with other ballots, shows that we can only use that which was already counted by midnight.

Alito takes emergency cases from his area and decides to refer them to the full court or not... in this case he did. AFAIK they don't need a majority to accept it, only 4 (or is it 3?) in favor is enough.

That's all that is really needed though, there is no substance to this case and there is literally no reason for the SC to take up the case. If they did it would probably end up being a 9-0 decision in favor of the lower courts decision blocking what the Trump admin wants.

Not really sure how the court actually makes a decision on this, though I think that because this is Altios 'area' in regards to where court cases come from he may have some sort of control of these cases. Even then, the court probably couldn't get a majority to agree on bringing this up because it's garbage anyway.

The election itself was completed, "consummated", on the 3rd. Counting all the votes was not, and never is but that case had nothing to do with counting the votes but that the voting was finished on that day. You're grasping at straws.

SCOTUS was brutaly terse on the Pennsylvania Kraken:



https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120820zr_bq7d.pdf

Was Trump ahead at midnight or not?     

There is a catch here. Although the postal ballots were overwhelmingly favoring Joe Biden, from what I have heard, the late arriving postal ballots were more favorable towards Donald Trump. At least in states such as Arizona, Trump held a considerable margin with these late arriving ballots. So I don't think that it is going to make any difference in the outcome. Anyway, the total number of these ballots may not exceed a couple of thousands max, per state.

god damn it!

I really wanted Biden to win.

Oh well.

^^^ But SCOTUS has already done the opposite.

All ballots after Nov. 3rd are NULL AND VOID

Today’s Situation Update covers the bombshells now getting catapulted into the election battle, with a legal analyst revealing that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in 1997 (Foster v Love) that all ballots received after midnight of Election Day are null and void.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-situation-update-dec-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void.html#

The election happened on Nov 3. It would take an act of Congress to move the date and the Congress didn't do that. And all states except Wisconsin have certified the results so it's over by any imaginable measure.

I see a possible issue:


If the election is not decided in 2020, does that mean it took place?

Maybe the MAGA crowd will block I-83 to prevent the FedEx truck from delivering the ballots from Harrisburg to DC.

This whole thing is so far beyond stupid that there's bound to be all sorts of shit happening that I couldn't have possibly imagined a year ago.

This thread will be officially 1 year old in a day or two. Even though the election is over (its over and has been for weeks) and suchmoon won, this is what we have to endure for 6 more weeks:


https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-electoral-college.aspx

Wonder if the outcome of the Electoral College meeting will be known on Dec 14 or if we have to wait until Dec 23.

Small win for Trump - PA will delay certifying their election results, presumably due to voter anomalies - https://6abc.com/politics/judge-halts-further-vote-certification;-gov-wolf-appeals/8254952/

Doesn't matter too much as GA and AZ are a done deal. Biden doesn't need PA to win even if for some bizarre reason the entire election results were thrown out in that state.

I agree with parts of this.

One of my big issues with the whole Russia thing is that I think a lot of people misunderstand it. Some people actually think that Russia was able to hack into voter booths and change your votes or something along those lines, that's what 'Russian Interference' sounds like, as it's a big word with a lot behind it in peoples heads.

The thing is that it isn't that deep: Literally Russian interference is just the Russian government creating divide in the US by spending money on ads supporting particular candidates, running fake accounts online, and so on and so forth. Isn't that something that literally anyone could do? I understand the inherent difference because the people doing it this time around are the Kremlin, but still.

But I do also agree with the points about 2018 and 2020 -- What was so different then that Russia was unable to change the outcome of the election? If Republicans would have won would things have ended up being different in regards to calls for another investigation or would talks of that died down again?

FISA warrants were used to surveille Carter Page, and the basis of these FISA warrants was the Steele Dossier which were renewed multiple times. It doesn't matter if Page was under previous investigation. Doesn't mean you can surveille him and use oppo research that's Russian propaganda as the basis for the warrant.



I've got a bridge to sell you if you actually believe the laundry list of names was the extent of "Russian interference" or even the basis for Russian interference. Mueller compiled those names knowing he'd never get a conviction and knowing there would never be any sort of trial so he could point towards his list as if it justified his work and 30M of tax payer money. Russian interference in U.S. elections has been going on for decades according to ex-intel official James Clapper -- why would the U.S. wait to prosecute any entities involved and wait until the 2016 election? Especially if its been going on for decades?

Lot of talk about Russians interfering in the 2018 mid term elections. Why did democrats not call for a special prosecutor to investigate that? Well, other than the fact they won in 2018, but that's besides the point.

Russia presumably interfered in the 2020 election. Where are the names of those involved? Don't democrats care so much about Russian interference? Do you think Biden will call for his DoJ to investigate?

I'm glad obstruction is what you got from the Mueller report because what I got from the report is not a single person was indicted for Russian collusion/conspiracy/coordination. 3 years chasing a Russian collusion narrative only to turn up nothing and somehow you are surprised Trump wanted Mueller fired or that he resisted his investigation? Also, Trump had the authority to fire Mueller and did not do so. Quite the obstructionist.

I mean, if I had a couple of FBI goons investigating me texting each other about some insurance policy if I had won a Presidential election, I would be suspect too - https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-fbi-agents-account-insurance-policy-text-referred-to-russia-probe-1513624580

But I guess you still believe there was no political animus involved in the investigation so I'm not sure what else would convince you.

That IG report determined that the investigation was not started because of the Steele Dossier.  It was Papadapolous bragging to an Australian intelligence agent that the Trump campaign knew that Russia had dirt on Clinton and would be using it (Trump campaign should have went to the FBI themselves at that point).  In fact, when they became aware of the Steele dossier, the investigation was already under way, and Comey went personally to Trump Tower to tell Trump about it's existence.

Also, Carter Page was already under FBI investigation (like Paul Manafort) before the Trump campaign even existed.


Mueller uncovered exactly who did it and how - from the fake identities used to buy servers to the bitcoin transactions used to pay for them to the relationship between wikileaks and Russia.  The details Mueller was able to figure out are impressive, all while being obstructed at every turn by the President of the United States.  And that's only based on what's public.

The President of a Country obstructing an investigation into a foreign adversary interfering in the election that he had just won.  Think about that for a second.

I probably should've been more clear about what I was saying here.

When talking about the Mueller investigation I was talking about the direct links to Trump. I do understand what the full implications of the investigation and how it highlighted potential issues, and issues, that we had in our voting process and how easily manipulated people could be into supporting a particular candidate through fake news spreading online from Russia.

I am personally of the belief that a former President will never be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Maybe he'll have some legal issues, yes, but I don't think that he is going to be arrested or anything like that. I've heard some say this, and it irks me a bit cause he is still a former President.