[BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon - page 4.

sirazimuth

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 23, 2020, 02:52:23 PM

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Why, thank you, Sir Azimuth. You forgot to comment on my chances of winning the bet... how bad is it, give it to me straight.

My pleasure...
Suchmoon's odds are getting better everyday.
To be clear, they just went from 99.999999999998% to 99.999999999999%.

Quote from: vapourminer on December 12, 2020, 07:15:18 AM

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someone needs to tell him that 2nd place is 1st loser.

considering trumps low IQ im not surprised he cant get that little fact.

Indeed.
And Hillary lost once in 2016, whereas Trump has lost 55 times in 2020 and counting.
When it comes to losing the most, our dear old, soon to be former impotus is the winner by far....

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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?

Quote from: suchmoon on December 11, 2020, 11:22:10 PM

So he's whining that he got more votes than other presidents... someone should tell him that (a) he was running against Biden, not against other presidents, and (b) Electoral College. Or don't tell him. Clearly he doesn't care about anything other than keeping the scam going and we got nothing better to do than to see him melt down.

someone needs to tell him that 2nd place is 1st loser.

considering trumps low IQ im not surprised he cant get that little fact.

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Awww....

Quote from: https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/121120zr_p860.pdf

The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.

Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___ (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.

Trump's gonna be upset.

Edit - of course:

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So he's whining that he got more votes than other presidents... someone should tell him that (a) he was running against Biden, not against other presidents, and (b) Electoral College. Or don't tell him. Clearly he doesn't care about anything other than keeping the scam going and we got nothing better to do than to see him melt down.

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Quote from: squatz1 on December 09, 2020, 07:06:26 PM

Results are certified, as the safe harbor deadline is today -- or was yesterday -- and that's the end of the road. Not really sure what else is being planned for this marketing stunt, but it's really done now.

The results will become more final once the electoral college meets on the 14th. Certifying the results is something that can be reversed by the courts.

I would not expect the SC to take up any case that is not already pending as of when the electoral college meets.

Unless something really crazy happens, the results will be final in 4 days.

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Quote from: Viper1 on December 09, 2020, 10:49:56 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2020, 06:34:56 PM

The fact that mailed votes came in for days after the election

The votes were cast on or before election day and so that case doesn't apply. Counting the votes is not the same as casting the vote. Why is that so hard for you to grasp.

Are you sure? After all, the outer case of the ballot - the mail envelope - was destroyed, so nobody knows when the ballots were sent. Stop the vote at midnight of election day. Ballots are still coming in.

Quote from: Viper1 on December 09, 2020, 10:49:56 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2020, 06:34:56 PM

were stripped of their postmark, and mixed with other ballots, shows that we can only use that which was already counted by midnight.

Was any proof of that ever shown in the courts or are you just talking about people just saying it. And if proof was shown, was it enough to change the complete results? I think not and so like I said, you're just trying to wish crap into being.

No proof was shown either way in the courts. So, all of it is hearsay. You say that all the clear evidence is hearsay. And the fact that the courts adjudicate one way or another, doesn't make clear evidence to not be proof.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2020, 06:34:56 PM

The fact that mailed votes came in for days after the election

The votes were cast on or before election day and so that case doesn't apply. Counting the votes is not the same as casting the vote. Why is that so hard for you to grasp.

Quote from: BADecker on December 09, 2020, 06:34:56 PM

were stripped of their postmark, and mixed with other ballots, shows that we can only use that which was already counted by midnight.

Was any proof of that ever shown in the courts or are you just talking about people just saying it. And if proof was shown, was it enough to change the complete results? I think not and so like I said, you're just trying to wish crap into being.

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Quote from: suchmoon on December 09, 2020, 05:19:16 PM

Quote from: squatz1 on December 09, 2020, 04:15:10 PM

Not really sure how the court actually makes a decision on this, though I think that because this is Altios 'area' in regards to where court cases come from he may have some sort of control of these cases. Even then, the court probably couldn't get a majority to agree on bringing this up because it's garbage anyway.

Alito takes emergency cases from his area and decides to refer them to the full court or not... in this case he did. AFAIK they don't need a majority to accept it, only 4 (or is it 3?) in favor is enough.

Ah yes, this is what I was talking about. I think it is actually think it is 3 instead of 4. You'd think that the conservative bloc of ACB, Alito, and Thomas (or Roberts/Gorscheuh - spelling) would be able to easily 'give it' to Trump if there was at least some merit behind this case.

Everyone was screaming that the Conservative block was going to give it to Trump, and they didn't. That's really the end of it for the campaign in regards to legal challenges. PA was kind of the best bet for them, and that's not working out.

Results are certified, as the safe harbor deadline is today -- or was yesterday -- and that's the end of the road. Not really sure what else is being planned for this marketing stunt, but it's really done now.

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Quote from: Viper1 on December 09, 2020, 02:24:34 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2020, 10:45:03 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 08, 2020, 10:40:39 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2020, 10:34:32 PM

^^^ But SCOTUS has already done the opposite.

All ballots after Nov. 3rd are NULL AND VOID

Today’s Situation Update covers the bombshells now getting catapulted into the election battle, with a legal analyst revealing that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in 1997 (Foster v Love) that all ballots received after midnight of Election Day are null and void.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-situation-update-dec-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void.html#

Cool

There is a catch here. Although the postal ballots were overwhelmingly favoring Joe Biden, from what I have heard, the late arriving postal ballots were more favorable towards Donald Trump. At least in states such as Arizona, Trump held a considerable margin with these late arriving ballots. So I don't think that it is going to make any difference in the outcome. Anyway, the total number of these ballots may not exceed a couple of thousands max, per state.

Was Trump ahead at midnight or not? Cool

The election itself was completed, "consummated", on the 3rd. Counting all the votes was not, and never is but that case had nothing to do with counting the votes but that the voting was finished on that day. You're grasping at straws.

The fact that mailed votes came in for days after the election, and were stripped of their postmark, and mixed with other ballots, shows that we can only use that which was already counted by midnight.

Cool

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Quote from: squatz1 on December 09, 2020, 04:15:10 PM

Not really sure how the court actually makes a decision on this, though I think that because this is Altios 'area' in regards to where court cases come from he may have some sort of control of these cases. Even then, the court probably couldn't get a majority to agree on bringing this up because it's garbage anyway.

Alito takes emergency cases from his area and decides to refer them to the full court or not... in this case he did. AFAIK they don't need a majority to accept it, only 4 (or is it 3?) in favor is enough.

squatz1

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Quote from: suchmoon on December 09, 2020, 12:59:50 AM

SCOTUS was brutaly terse on the Pennsylvania Kraken:

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https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120820zr_bq7d.pdf

That's all that is really needed though, there is no substance to this case and there is literally no reason for the SC to take up the case. If they did it would probably end up being a 9-0 decision in favor of the lower courts decision blocking what the Trump admin wants.

Not really sure how the court actually makes a decision on this, though I think that because this is Altios 'area' in regards to where court cases come from he may have some sort of control of these cases. Even then, the court probably couldn't get a majority to agree on bringing this up because it's garbage anyway.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2020, 10:45:03 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 08, 2020, 10:40:39 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2020, 10:34:32 PM

^^^ But SCOTUS has already done the opposite.

All ballots after Nov. 3rd are NULL AND VOID

Today’s Situation Update covers the bombshells now getting catapulted into the election battle, with a legal analyst revealing that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in 1997 (Foster v Love) that all ballots received after midnight of Election Day are null and void.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-situation-update-dec-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void.html#

Cool

There is a catch here. Although the postal ballots were overwhelmingly favoring Joe Biden, from what I have heard, the late arriving postal ballots were more favorable towards Donald Trump. At least in states such as Arizona, Trump held a considerable margin with these late arriving ballots. So I don't think that it is going to make any difference in the outcome. Anyway, the total number of these ballots may not exceed a couple of thousands max, per state.

Was Trump ahead at midnight or not? Cool

The election itself was completed, "consummated", on the 3rd. Counting all the votes was not, and never is but that case had nothing to do with counting the votes but that the voting was finished on that day. You're grasping at straws.

suchmoon

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SCOTUS was brutaly terse on the Pennsylvania Kraken:

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https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/120820zr_bq7d.pdf

BADecker

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 08, 2020, 10:40:39 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2020, 10:34:32 PM

^^^ But SCOTUS has already done the opposite.

All ballots after Nov. 3rd are NULL AND VOID

Today’s Situation Update covers the bombshells now getting catapulted into the election battle, with a legal analyst revealing that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in 1997 (Foster v Love) that all ballots received after midnight of Election Day are null and void.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-situation-update-dec-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void.html#

Cool

There is a catch here. Although the postal ballots were overwhelmingly favoring Joe Biden, from what I have heard, the late arriving postal ballots were more favorable towards Donald Trump. At least in states such as Arizona, Trump held a considerable margin with these late arriving ballots. So I don't think that it is going to make any difference in the outcome. Anyway, the total number of these ballots may not exceed a couple of thousands max, per state.

Was Trump ahead at midnight or not? Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2020, 10:34:32 PM

^^^ But SCOTUS has already done the opposite.

All ballots after Nov. 3rd are NULL AND VOID

Today’s Situation Update covers the bombshells now getting catapulted into the election battle, with a legal analyst revealing that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in 1997 (Foster v Love) that all ballots received after midnight of Election Day are null and void.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-situation-update-dec-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void.html#

Cool

There is a catch here. Although the postal ballots were overwhelmingly favoring Joe Biden, from what I have heard, the late arriving postal ballots were more favorable towards Donald Trump. At least in states such as Arizona, Trump held a considerable margin with these late arriving ballots. So I don't think that it is going to make any difference in the outcome. Anyway, the total number of these ballots may not exceed a couple of thousands max, per state.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2020, 10:34:32 PM

^^^ But SCOTUS has already done the opposite.

All ballots after Nov. 3rd are NULL AND VOID

Today’s Situation Update covers the bombshells now getting catapulted into the election battle, with a legal analyst revealing that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in 1997 (Foster v Love) that all ballots received after midnight of Election Day are null and void.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-situation-update-dec-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void.html#

Cool

god damn it!

I really wanted Biden to win.

Oh well.

BADecker

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^^^ But SCOTUS has already done the opposite.

All ballots after Nov. 3rd are NULL AND VOID

Today’s Situation Update covers the bombshells now getting catapulted into the election battle, with a legal analyst revealing that the U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled in 1997 (Foster v Love) that all ballots received after midnight of Election Day are null and void.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-08-situation-update-dec-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void.html#

Cool

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Quote from: Vod on December 08, 2020, 09:25:40 PM

If the election is not decided in 2020, does that mean it took place?

The election happened on Nov 3. It would take an act of Congress to move the date and the Congress didn't do that. And all states except Wisconsin have certified the results so it's over by any imaginable measure.

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I see a possible issue:

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If there is no presidential election in 2020.

If the election is not decided in 2020, does that mean it took place?

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Quote from: nutildah on December 08, 2020, 06:17:38 PM

Wonder if the outcome of the Electoral College meeting will be known on Dec 14 or if we have to wait until Dec 23.

Maybe the MAGA crowd will block I-83 to prevent the FedEx truck from delivering the ballots from Harrisburg to DC.

This whole thing is so far beyond stupid that there's bound to be all sorts of shit happening that I couldn't have possibly imagined a year ago.

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Quote from: suchmoon on December 09, 2019, 08:24:08 PM

Now the real bet contract:

Code:

suchmoon's address: 18pTKHyCFyr5Gk3LHN4wKke1hUaT3wUnjb
eddie13's address: 1vvSrTFiQY7akwbsv3iYPPe9mR3DsEbff

suchmoon agrees to pay 0.1 BTC to eddie13 if Donald J Trump wins the 2020 US presidential election, and eddie13 agrees to pay 0.1 BTC to suchmoon if Donald J Trump does not win the 2020 US presidential election.

Decision logic:

Election result is considered decided by the Electoral College meeting. If the Electoral College elects Donald J Trump the president of the US following the 2020 US presidential election eddie13 wins the bet, in any other case suchmoon wins the bet except for the draw conditions listed below.

Conditions for a draw (neither side pays the other side):

   If there is no presidential election in 2020.
   If Donald J Trump is not on the ballot in at least 26 states.
   If the Electoral College doesn't meet by midnight January 31, 2021.

Additional terms:

   EC decision is final regardless of popular vote, pledged electors, unfaithful electors etc.
   No presidential election in 2020 (martial law, martians invading, etc) means a draw.
   Donald J Trump not running for any reason (primaried out, dead, impeached, etc) means a draw even if he wins via write-in.
   Any other candidate getting elected (democrat, republican, third party, etc) means suchmoon wins.
   If Donald J Trump is elected but doesn't get sworn in (dies, goes to prison, moves to Slovenia, etc) eddie13 wins.

Signed 2019-12-09

This thread will be officially 1 year old in a day or two. Even though the election is over (its over and has been for weeks) and suchmoon won, this is what we have to endure for 6 more weeks:

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Dec. 8, 2020: Deadline for Resolving Election Disputes. All state recounts and court contests over presidential election results must be completed by this date...

Dec. 14, 2020: Meeting of the Electors. The electors meet in each state and cast their ballots for president and vice president. Each elector votes on his or her own ballot and signs it...

Dec. 23, 2020: Deadline for Receipt of Ballots. The electors' ballots from all states must be received by the president of the Senate by this date. There is no penalty for missing this deadline.

Jan. 6, 2021: Counting of the Electoral Ballots. The U.S. Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes.

Jan. 20, 2021: Inauguration Day. The president-elect becomes the president of the United States.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/the-electoral-college.aspx

Wonder if the outcome of the Electoral College meeting will be known on Dec 14 or if we have to wait until Dec 23.

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