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You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap?

Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap?

Wow this is still going? You guys realize betcoin has said they will issue refunds on a case by case basis right? Also what do you hope to accomplish here with this crap? Xaio is very helpful to players. He is the opposite of what you are accusing him/betcoin to be and has always acted transparently and ethically towards his players. Twitchy and donk4u and dark days are way beyond out of line at this point and as has been pointed out in every thread about this subject are clearly mentally ill.

Not to pile on the people explaining your ignorance to you, but you clearly don't even read the discussion that people are trying to have with you as I've explained how this isn't the case numerous times.

Evasion COUNTERED!

Here are my questions again.  You still haven't answered them.  These are all stemming from something that YOU said.  Why would you make a claim if you are unwilling to answer reasonable questions that stem from that claim?

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN 

Thanks for partaking in this discussion in a civil manner.  I agree with you that there's been many unreliable gaming sites out there in the past, especially the one's you named and not to mention other bitcoin sites that have gone "donk down".  However it's unfair and illogical to say Betcoin will follow the same route.

Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN, one of the larger poker networks out there.  They have no incentive to simply run away with player funds, and I'm sure WPN will not allow it.  They are growing rapidly, and therefore have no incentive to close up shop.  Regarding the other issues you've brought up, they're working on making the platform air tight in every aspect, but I totally agree with you that those things could be improved upon.  They're still an infant company, and there is obviously a lot of improvements to be made.  

Thanks for partaking in this discussion in a civil manner.  I agree with you that there's been many unreliable gaming sites out there in the past, especially the one's you named and not to mention other bitcoin sites that have gone "donk down".  However it's unfair and illogical to say Betcoin will follow the same route.

Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN, one of the larger poker networks out there.  They have no incentive to simply run away with player funds, and I'm sure WPN will not allow it.  They are growing rapidly, and therefore have no incentive to close up shop.  Regarding the other issues you've brought up, they're working on making the platform air tight in every aspect, but I totally agree with you that those things could be improved upon.  They're still an infant company, and there is obviously a lot of improvements to be made. 

not to mention other bitcoin sites that have gone "donk down"

2/15/16 Attention: Currently there are ~400 satisfied users under this 40% additional rakeback program and 10,000 - 60,000 satisfied users at Betcoin.  This is here to stay!

Please don't let a few disgruntled users (TwitcySeal and 1 or 2 other users) disuade you from this service.  They have a problem with Betcoin management, and have decided to hijack this thread. How a few from the poker community feel about Twitchy and company:

1) Keep detailed records of all rake paid especially WPN tournament fees, Poker Tracker or HEM2 is a must, it will only be a matter of time before you are missing funds due to a bug or something and for poker Betcoin offers no financial history other than raw HHs and rakeback already paid.  If your missing money, don't expect support to be able to figure out what or why something went wrong, they are completely incompetent when it comes to all things poker.  You have to tell them exactly how much they owe you and why.  They will usually just pay you as long as you haven't pissed them off.

2) Bump the hell out of tickets.  They misuse the CS support ticket system.  If a request annoys them for some reason, you will be ignored at least until you "bump" your ticket once or twice.  If they haven't responded in a day or so, they are probably hoping you will just forget about it all together.

3) If you make a friend at the tables or in chat, they're probably going to try and scam you.  There are several well known online poker scammers who have been scamming for the past 10+ years and Betcoin is the only site that hasn't banned them.  They are allowed to make staking/loan threads every day and bump them in chat as often as they want till someone eventually falls for it and sends them money.  Next day, they start all over without consequence.  

4) Andrew is usually wrong, just pretend you think he's right.  

5) Make sure you sign up through Xiaoxiao, he worked out a deal with Betcoin so that they pay every other affiliate a smaller commission.  He offers 40% but actually pays closer to 38%.  (Also, he may tell you hes an "advocate for the players" but really he's just another shill that has chosen to be a little bitch who puts his income before his dignity)  If you've already signed up and dont know who your affiliate is, talk to support.  You may have to face the ethical dilemma of choosing to get less rake-back than most regs for the rest of your life or creating a second account.

2/15/16 Attention: Currently there are ~400 satisfied users under this 40% additional rakeback program and 10,000 - 60,000 satisfied users at Betcoin.  This is here to stay!

Please don't let a few disgruntled users (TwitcySeal and 1 or 2 other users) disuade you from this service.  They have a problem with Betcoin management, and have decided to hijack this thread.

Wow twitchy and the other trolls have to be some of the biggest dumbest trolls on the internet. Xaio provides a service and provides it very well. He can't do anything about what you are complaining about. He has also shown himself to be of high character with regsrd to the players over and over. I guarantee I've paid more rake to betcoin than anyone here and I don't feel slighted at all. They offer the best rb and xaio is a credit to the players. Continuing to nag him about this is pointless and just makes this thread unbearable.

Wow you guys need to leave Xiao the fuck alone, everything about this service is amazing.

You guys need to lay off, he is just an affiliate. If you have a problem with Betcoin, take it up with Betcoin. It's not his fault and there is nothing he can do about it even if he wanted to.

Is it possible to signup with an existing account? I just created my account like an hour ago and already made a deposit and played a tiny amount. Will they let me be tracked to an affiliate or it's too late? Can I just make a new account?

Yes, why you don't start your own thread instead of filling this thread with garbage.  You clearly have mental problems as many people have stated.  Start your own thread and say whatever you want.

Like I said I am relaying what is told to me.  Fundamentally speaking we are in agreement here Twitchy.  However you overrate my ability to sway management.  There's absolutely nothing I can do about it.  That's pretty obvious.  If there was something I can do, then I would be part of management rather than a service provider.  Could we end this discussion now?

Some of the benefits of playing at Betcoin:

-Insane rewards (especially if you've registered via this service)

-Huge tournament fields and prizepools because of WPN shared tournaments

-The best ongoing promotions!

-Active community forum and chat allowing instant communication with support AND other players

-Incredible security; 2FA, system monitoring of outliers and abnormal activities (such as multi-accounting and collusion)

-Increasing staff and support

-Constant improvement of platform (stay tuned for incredible new features)

Finally, it is clear support is working arduously to improve the platform and ensure everyone's safety.  Therefore I urge everyone to be patient when demanding something.

Take care and GL!

You don't know what slander or libel means.  Stop using those words.  You are only making yourself look dumber.

I asked you three simple questions, all based on a comment that YOU made!  Why do you keep saying things off the top of your head and then ignoring any or all of the questions that those comments bare?  

Here are those questions again:

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Slander/libel/trolling/cluelessness in full effect here.  You keep putting words in my mouth.  I was patient enough to respond to you all this time.  I'm certainly done responding to you now.

It's clear you have a vendetta against Betcoin and your wish/goal is for the entire Betcoin company to crumble to ashes and along with it the tens of thousands of players that depend on the site for gaming, work, entertainment, and friendship/fellowship.

So you are in agreement that Betcoin has stolen tons of money from it's customers?  By being a major affiliate, you must then agree that you have been the recipient of some of those ill-gotten funds, right?  Since you receive a % of the rake of your refereed players, if those players had too much raked from them you received more than you should have and that came directly from the player.  I showed an easy to follow example of this a few days ago.  Have you refunded those players?  Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Instead of glossing over criticism and half-answering one question posed, I'd appreciate if you actually answer the questions.  Even if you don't flesh out your answers, a simple yes/no will greatly help players, both new and prospective, see where you stand on issues ethically.  Here they are again:

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Like I said I am relaying what is told to me.  Fundamentally speaking we are in agreement here Twitchy.  However you overrate my ability to sway management.  There's absolutely nothing I can do about it.  That's pretty obvious.  If there was something I can do, then I would be part of management rather than a service provider.  Could we end this discussion now?

Like I said you failed to consider the multiple types of RAKEBACK that players received; some were prop players and hence received 100%+ rakeback.  Other players, such as those under this program, received 50-190% rakeback throughout that period.  In essence, both of these groups could be considered prop players to a certain degree.  And then you did not calculate the normal VIP/affiliate rakeback of the players.  When you factor in everything, the amount is minuscule.

Like I said you failed to consider the multiple types of RAKEBACK that players received; some were prop players and hence received 100%+ rakeback.  Other players, such as those under this program, received 50-190% rakeback throughout that period.  In essence, both of these groups could be considered prop players to a certain degree.  And then you did not calculate the normal VIP/affiliate rakeback of the players.  When you factor in everything, the amount is minuscule.