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It seems like you're ignoring me Xiaoxiao.

Yes of course the owner of any business should be held accountable for what they sell!

Or he doesn't track his play.

Or he does track his play but doesn't pay attention to the rake.

Or he's just making shit up like ftwbtc.

So when you were raked 6mb on a pot that only should have had 2mb taken out of it you didn't feel slighted?  Then you are a sucker and your opinion is worthless.

If the lottery is run unethically, and the owner is aware of this, then he should either not sell tickets to that lottery or inform his customers the reality of the situation.  If he chooses to ignore or defend the unethical actions of the lottery to protect his personal income, he should be held accountable for doing so.  Ethics 101 really.



I suppose we each have different definition of "troll"  

I think you are behaving like one.


Yes he can.

You could too, if you wanted.

I think you should.




By guarantee do you mean you will prove it?

How much have you paid?  

What does "here" mean?

Who are you?

Most high volume regs I've spoken to agree with most of my opinions.

However because Betcoin can be a profitable option for grinders of certain stakes, they don't want to speak up and risk being treated the way I have.  I don't blame them.

Wow twitchy and the other trolls have to be some of the biggest dumbest trolls on the internet. Xaio provides a service and provides it very well. He can't do anything about what you are complaining about. He has also shown himself to be of high character with regsrd to the players over and over. I guarantee I've paid more rake to betcoin than anyone here and I don't feel slighted at all. They offer the best rb and xaio is a credit to the players. Continuing to nag him about this is pointless and just makes this thread unbearable.

Betcoin isn't listening to it's players.  They've stolen the money and don't want to give it back.

Xaio ISN'T 'just an affiliate', he clearly has a relationship with Betcoin, as is evidenced by the fact that he is receiving a RB% that is higher than anyone else.  Major affiliates have talked about how they have had hour long personal discussions with Betcoin trying to set up an off-the-books affiliate relationship but it fell through when they were unimpressed with Betcoin's unprofessionalism.  Xaio clearly ignored this and forged that connection.  Now, there's nothing wrong with that...that's how the business works and it allows him to give his players a better deal than they could get elsewhere.  But that special relationship comes with responsibility.  He has the ear of the business!  He should be saying "hey, when you stole that money from all of your players that was wrong and you should work out refunds".  Why isn't he?  Is it because he profited from Betcoin's thievery? Is it because he is scared of standing up to such a shady business that he's in bed with?  Is it because he thought that the players deserved to have money stolen from them?  

There used to be "no difficult questions".  Now there are just no answers...

Do you think a gas station owner selling lottery tickets should be held accountable for the actions of the lottery?

That's all he is doing. I don't think you understand how affiliates work. He's not a site representative.

If you're a poker player, I think you should be doing the same thing I am.  Not acting as if nothing wrong is going on.  I'm not making personal attacks or anything, I'm just doing what I believe is the right thing to do. 



"Just an affiliate"?

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verb
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officially attach or connect (a subsidiary group or a person) to an organization.


Xiao is profiting from promoting Betcoin and also chooses to defend them.  He should be held accountable for these decisions.

You guys need to lay off, he is just an affiliate. If you have a problem with Betcoin, take it up with Betcoin. It's not his fault and there is nothing he can do about it even if he wanted to.

Is it possible to signup with an existing account? I just created my account like an hour ago and already made a deposit and played a tiny amount. Will they let me be tracked to an affiliate or it's too late? Can I just make a new account?

I told you what I want from you.  It's what all of the players want from you.  We want you to be our advocate.  Get Betcoin to refund the players that it stole money from via the illegal, unannounced overraking.  You admitted that it happened...now try to make it right!  If you don't, then you are tacitly allowing them to steal money from their customers.  Are you doing this because you get a % of the money that they stole?  That's the only logical explanation any player would come to as to why you wouldn't fight for the player's rights.

Betcoin should hire you as their forum / pr rep because you seem to spend a lot of time answering the Betcoin trolls and do a pretty good job at it.  The entire interaction is really quite fascinating.  

For some great sports picks check out my posts in the forum here and at Betcoin.ag.  I think there is great opportunity in eSports wagering because it is so new.  

I already told you that I admit Betcoin made a mistake and that they didn't own up to it at first.  What more do you want from me?  And yes, I'm certainly an advocate for the players, and I know they're satisfied with me because they show gratitude for what I'm doing (especially the high volume players).

Regarding everything else you've said (most of the personal attacks and assumptions), I can only  

You understand that when you say something and someone says "hey what did you mean by that?" and you completely ignore them that it looks REALLY REALLY bad, right?  It makes you come across as a snake oil salesman.  I understand that your mentality, much like Betcoin's seems to be, may be "hey bitcoin users are pretty dumb when it comes to gambling I'll just bs them and ignore any sort of questions or criticism" but think about the clientele you are trying to attract.  You make such a small % on player's play that if all you are attracting is low volume beggars all of your work is going to pay off $0 for you.  You need to be trying to attract high volume (aka winning) players...yet any high volume winning player will take one look at how you've conducted yourself here and not want to get involved with you or Betcoin.

tl;dr: Be better at business and you'll make money.  Stop being a Betcoin stooge...they aren't paying you, the players are.  Be an advocate for them.

New: Refer-a-friend, Private Message me their login name and sign-up date and get 5% of their net rake sent to you each week!  Who could resist 50% to 190% rakeback?

Also please note that for WPN shared tournaments only 50% of the rake you pay counts towards VIP and my rakeback service as the other 50% goes to the WPN network.

I'm not trying to troll you, this is a serious question and I would appreciate a serious reply.

How is that clear?

In the past month all of these things happened:

- Someone either hacked into or leaked Betcoin's player database and got access to sensitive player information

- The WTN feed went down...multiple times...and players still have no received refunds from some of the affected tournaments yet.

- Players have scammed multiple coins from other players through loans and staking that were never intended to be paid back.

- Players have now taken to creating fake support names to further rob other players.

- Withdraws now taking over 24 hours to process.

Oh, and support is still the industry worst.  Talk to live support?  They tell you to submit a ticket.  If they answer at all and there aren't "5 people in front of you" for hours on end.  Submit a ticket?  Ignored.  And then if they get around to answering you when you submit another one you'll get "bump this tomorrow". 

I would legit like to know how support is working to improve the platform and ensure player's safety when the platform is as insecure as it's ever been, and players are getting robbed left and right.

Of course this is all after they raised the rake in sneak and didn't make restitution with players who were overaked for a month.  So if you mean "well at least Betcoin isn't stealing money from you", then I suppose that is true and a step in the right direction.  But I kind of don't think that's what you meant. 

More than sufficient?

It's very clear that you either don't understand what I have said, or you are intentionally misleading others with your responses.

After I explained how Betcoin was taking more than they should in rake for over 3 weeks and didn't refund, you commented:

  Players asked about refunds.  They have yet to provide a direct answer, but implied that they would be keeping all of it because most players were receiving more than they should:

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Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should!

 

 All responses to this statement have been ignored.  All (or most) have been deleted.  

 From 11/14 - 12/9 over 588,000 hands were dealt at Betcoin

 There is evidence of the cap being too high on 11/14, 12/9 and many days in between.  There is no evidence of the cap being correct at any time during this period.

 Due to the table starter promotion, at any given time, no more than two players per table are receiving over 100% rakeback.  (note: XiaoXiao has now mentioned a mysterious other promotion involving other players collecting 100% plus, but hasn't clarified")

 Heads up cash tables are not eligible for tablestarter promotion.

 Example:  The rake should have never been more than 2.5% with a max of 2 chips per hand at the following table and we see 6 being taken.  A maximum of 2 are getting 100%+ rakeback, possibly 1 or 0.   So a MINIMUM of 4 out of every 6 pots larger than 80 chips results in Betcoin taking funds they aren't entitled to.

•  Example: High stakes Heads Up Match.  The rake should be capped at 1 chip but they take 5 chips.   Because of the stakes, every time they see a flop - Betcoin took 4 more chips than they should have.  It may not seem like much, but consider they played a 200 hand session (less than an hour) and saw 70% of flops.  Betcoin would have ended up with over 500 chips that would simply be unethical to keep.

Twitchy, I'm not ignoring you.  It's just that I gave a more than sufficient response and explanation to the issues you've brought up but you continue to blow things out of proportion to the point where it seems your intent has now become malicious and ego-driven.  

Betcoin made a mistake where no one was hurt, and they were afraid to admit it at first, but on their behalf I will admit they did make a mistake, but it has been corrected/rectified long ago.  What more do you want?  That the company crumbles to ashes and the tens of thousands of players that rely on the site are left hanging?

Not cool to just ignore me like that....Betcoin does the same scummy thing.  Ignore you most of the time, once in a while respond with something that doesn't make sense or isn't true, then right back to ignoring.

Most players give up and drop it.

Im still here though.