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legendary
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New: Refer-a-friend, Private Message me their username and sign-up date and get 5% of their net rake sent to you each week!  Who could resist 50% rakeback and higher?






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Step 1

Go to your wallet. Open the table starter promo by clicking the Pick Tables button.



Step 2

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Step 3

Go back to the table starter bonus panel and click the refresh button (or reload the page). The system will now show the table as pending. You have 5 minutes to sit at this exact table from the time you check it out. If you are not seated at this table within 5 minutes the promo for this table will be canceled and you will need to start over again. Also, make sure that you are not sitting at the table before starting the promo.



Step 4

Once the system has confirmed that you are sitting at the table you will now need to sit at this table straight for at least 1 hour. If you leave the table before reaching 1 hour then the promo will cancel for this table and you will need to start over. You can track your progress in the table starter bonus panel.



Step 5

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legendary
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The poker room is back after the quick 2 minute update!  Apologies everyone for the slight delay!
legendary
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Twitchy, I'm not ignoring you.  It's just that this is a busy time of the year and everyone's got a lot obligations.  I did actually go over some of your content but I didn't really know what the central complaint you have which was why I didn't know how to respond.  Seems like some of the problems were regarding being attacked by another player via some vulnerability you had on your end.  As you know since, there has been many updates to improve the platform and refunds were made to the players that were attacked.

I apologize for assuming you were ignoring me and accusing you of such.

To be clear, my central complaint is about Betcoins dishonest/unethical behavior and their lack of transparency.  I feel they should hold themselves to the same standards as any regulated casino.  The fact that they aren't regulated shouldn't make unethical practices acceptable.

There have been many issues which have have resulted in some or all Betcoin players being owed money.  To be clear, I understand that shit happens and that there will always be these types of issues on any site.  My complaint is how they are handled.

When many players are owed money by Betcoin, if they decide to pay anyone at all, it will often be only those who complain - usually one at a time privately by negotiation where they pull a number out of the air rather than figure out the actual debt.

If only a few complain they might just keep the money and respond to the issue in some way that makes the majority think it's no big deal.

There are many examples of this behavior.  One of them is the how they handled the situation when they realized they were raking much more than they intended to according to the what was posted on their site.

The majority people (including yourself) believe it really wasn't a big deal - they payout over 100% rakeback so how could they be profiting if they increase their rake?

No it is certainly not okay to keep anything you are not entitled to.  With that said, I can see what support meant when they said it wasn't really over raked (net gain) because many people benefited from higher rake due to the rewards they got.  So those people are technically not entitled to the higher rewards either.

So for example if you are getting 100% tablestarter RB + VIP + Affiliate RB, you'd obviously be happy if the rake was as high as possible.  At any rate, this was a tough call and support had to make a tough decision.


It may not have affected many lower stakes players (smaller stakes = rake cap is reached less frequently), but I can assure you Betcoin profited greatly from it.  I believe it was easily well over 20 bitcoins.  I can't prove an exact amount, but I can prove it was a lot, and I can prove they aren't entitled to it...

FACTS  (not opinions)

  •   They first knew they were over charging players no later Novermber 14th
  •   They didn't even aknowledge the issue untill I made THIS POST on December 9th.

  •   Before eventually admitting the fact that they were taking more than they should, they denied it.
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    The rake is actually programmed correctly in the system with the proper cap but appears to be capping at 2 ($0.82) for most tables 5 ($2.14) for some tables and the highest of 8 mbtc ($3.43) for very few tables.

  •    Players asked about refunds.  They have yet to provide a direct answer, but implied that they would be keeping all of it because most players were receiving more than they should:
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    Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should!
     

  •   All responses to this statement have been ignored.  All (or most) have been deleted.  Here is a response by dooglus (well known member on this forum, owner of just-dice) which was deleted from their forum.  My comments ( I am OHYEAH) were also deleted, and I was banned for making them almost immediately.:


  •   From 11/14 - 12/9 over 588,000 hands were dealt at Betcoin
  •   There is evidence of the cap being too high on 11/14, 12/9 and many days in between.  There is no evidence of the cap being correct at any time during this period.
  •   At any given time, no more than two players per table are receiving over 100% rakeback. 
  •   Heads up cash tables are not eligible for rake back.
  •   Example:  The rake should have never been more than 2.5% with a max of 2 chips per hand at the following table and we see 6 being taken.  A maximum of 2 are getting 100%+ rakeback, possibly 1 or 0.   So a MINIMUM of 4 out of every 6 pots larger than 80 chips results in Betcoin taking funds they aren't entitled to.




  •   Example: High stakes Heads Up Match.  The rake should be capped at 1 chip but they take 5 chips.   Because of the stakes, every time they see a flop - Betcoin took 4 more chips than they should have.  It may not seem like much, but consider they played a 200 hand session (less than an hour) and saw 70% of flops.  Betcoin would have ended up with over 500 chips that would simply be unethical to keep.


  •   Betcoin was aware this was happening and did nothing for WEEKS while they dealt over 588,000 hands (I believe tournaments are included in this number to be fair)



Well there's just one example of many.

Ive been banned like 6 or 7 times in the last 2 months for trying to get them to respond to this issue and many others.  They pretend like it doesn't exist, then ban me and try to discredit me by lying to other players about me and rewarding those who try and troll me.
legendary
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I'm pretty sure there will be more freerolls!  Take care!


When they accidentally took 14 Bitcoin for the BBJP when it didn't actually exist, they used it for a freeroll instead of returning it to the players.(You can read about that here.)

Theyve admitted to using the money they confiscated from cheaters for a freeroll promotion instead of returning it to the victims.(you can read about that here)

Perhaps they will use the money that should be paid back directly to the players from taking too much rake for over a month.  

Its probably well over 10 BTC.

Maybe youll get a 20 BTC freeroll or more!

Based on my understanding the BBJ is currently active and will be paid out if hit. I will get back to you about the other links mentioned. Please understand that English is a 2nd language to certain support members and there may have been misunderstandings.  As far as I know most of my players and personal friends are beyond satisfied with the Poker Room and the WPN Shared Tournaments.  I understand your frustration, but Betcoin does have the right to make changes to promotions.  I would suggest that you resolve your issues via live chat.  Thanks!
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No rush, just wanted to make sure you haven't forgotten.  (or maybe I missed you getting back?)

Will you still be getting back to me?  These are serious issues and there's tons of proof that I'm not just making shit up.

You seem to have gone from genuinely concerned to only responding to me with irrelevant facts to completely ignoring me.  

Since my last request, there has been a new problem which will likely be made much worse because of how betcoin handles it.

Darkdays has already mentioned it, and you haven't responded to him either.

Due to recent phishing emails which look nearly identical to authentic support emails please visit this page for more info and stay safe:

https://www.betcoin.ag/increased-email-security-email-verification-code-betcoinag

https://www.betcoin.ag/phishing-attempt-warning-do-not-open-link-e-mail

Hey, how did those phishing emails know everyone's correct username?  Seems like you couldn't know that without access to the Betcoin database, right?

I can understand if you're worried Betcoin will somehow punish you for speaking against them.  But ignoring serious issues and only responding to the "i love betcoin" posts is irresponsible.

Twitchy, I'm not ignoring you.  It's just that this is a busy time of the year and everyone's got a lot obligations.  I did actually go over some of your content but I didn't really know what the central complaint you have which was why I didn't know how to respond.  Seems like some of the problems were regarding being attacked by another player via some vulnerability you had on your end.  As you know since, there has been many updates to improve the platform and refunds were made to the players that were attacked.
legendary
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I'm pretty sure there will be more freerolls!  Take care!


When they accidentally took 14 Bitcoin for the BBJP when it didn't actually exist, they used it for a freeroll instead of returning it to the players.(You can read about that here.)

Theyve admitted to using the money they confiscated from cheaters for a freeroll promotion instead of returning it to the victims.(you can read about that here)

Perhaps they will use the money that should be paid back directly to the players from taking too much rake for over a month.  

Its probably well over 10 BTC.

Maybe youll get a 20 BTC freeroll or more!

Based on my understanding the BBJ is currently active and will be paid out if hit.  I will get back to you about the other links mentioned.  Please understand that English is a 2nd language to certain support members and there may have been misunderstandings.  As far as I know most of my players and personal friends are beyond satisfied with the Poker Room and the WPN Shared Tournaments.  I understand your frustration, but Betcoin does have the right to make changes to promotions.  I would suggest that you resolve your issues via live chat.  Thanks!
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No rush, just wanted to make sure you haven't forgotten.  (or maybe I missed you getting back?)

Will you still be getting back to me?  These are serious issues and there's tons of proof that I'm not just making shit up.

You seem to have gone from genuinely concerned to only responding to me with irrelevant facts to completely ignoring me.  

Since my last request, there has been a new problem which will likely be made much worse because of how betcoin handles it.

Darkdays has already mentioned it, and you haven't responded to him either.

Due to recent phishing emails which look nearly identical to authentic support emails please visit this page for more info and stay safe:

https://www.betcoin.ag/increased-email-security-email-verification-code-betcoinag

https://www.betcoin.ag/phishing-attempt-warning-do-not-open-link-e-mail

Hey, how did those phishing emails know everyone's correct username?  Seems like you couldn't know that without access to the Betcoin database, right?

I can understand if you're worried Betcoin will somehow punish you for speaking against them.  But ignoring serious issues and only responding to the "i love betcoin" posts is irresponsible.
legendary
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Rakeback for last period going out now.  System data has been supplied, thanks!

legendary
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Well hello there!
Also received one of these fishing e-mails with a .zip file attachment which ultimately triggered my antivirus.  Thank god for sandboxes to play in huh?
member
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either betcoin or xiaoxiao got hacked?
legendary
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Due to recent phishing emails which look nearly identical to authentic support emails please visit this page for more info and stay safe:

https://www.betcoin.ag/increased-email-security-email-verification-code-betcoinag

https://www.betcoin.ag/phishing-attempt-warning-do-not-open-link-e-mail

Hey, how did those phishing emails know everyone's correct username?  Seems like you couldn't know that without access to the Betcoin database, right?
legendary
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Due to recent phishing emails which look nearly identical to authentic support emails please visit this page for more info and stay safe:

https://www.betcoin.ag/increased-email-security-email-verification-code-betcoinag

https://www.betcoin.ag/phishing-attempt-warning-do-not-open-link-e-mail
legendary
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The 5000 mBTC FREEROLL starts in just 15 hours!   Minimum requirement is BRONZE I or higher VIP.  Contact support to get your ticket/password to the event!  Yes, do it right now, support is available 24/7!

This freeroll was better cause of smaller field. Congrats!

Indeed this was more effective, thank you!

There will be a slight delay in rakeback payments this week due to system updates again.  Thanks a lot for using this service and take care!
sr. member
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The 5000 mBTC FREEROLL starts in just 15 hours!   Minimum requirement is BRONZE I or higher VIP.  Contact support to get your ticket/password to the event!  Yes, do it right now, support is available 24/7!

This freeroll was better cause of smaller field. Congrats!
legendary
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What here has a lobby for a small wager with bitcoin?

Betcoin Poker has stakes as low as .01/.02 mBTC and as high as 500/1000 mBTC ring games.


thank you for your answers, still looking into it, cheers
legendary
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What here has a lobby for a small wager with bitcoin?

Betcoin Poker has stakes as low as .01/.02 mBTC and as high as 500/1000 mBTC ring games.

legendary
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What here has a lobby for a small wager with bitcoin?
sr. member
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It seems like you  never used the table starter promo before - if so just a little bit.

The whole point is to start new tables that will fill up and run for a while. 

You will never get to play heads up vs a gambling player because as soon as they sit with you other people will join to get some of his money.  Thats ok though its how table starting works.

Its not a bad promotion, it makes sense to help betcoin get tables started. But when u say "just play as much Heads up as you want" makes it obvious u dont know much about how it works.  You think they make promo so players can just play HU and get 100% rakeback?  Of course not thats why its 1 hour min and now heads up tables rake is biggest cap of any site ever.



What did you mean by this: "lol ok, as long as there weren't more than a couple others on the site trying to qualify for 100% promo."  How does another person trying to get the 100% RB promo affect you?  For example, you are sitting at 2/4 NL and another person also wants to get the "100% promo" so he/she sits.  Now another person that also wants to get "100% promo" would be stupid to sit at your table because that was void the promo.  So that person would sit at another at a new table to get the promo unless he/she wants to play ring games. 

Hope that helps sir and have a Happy Holidays!


legendary
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The 5000 mBTC FREEROLL starts in just 15 hours!   Minimum requirement is BRONZE I or higher VIP.  Contact support to get your ticket/password to the event!  Yes, do it right now, support is available 24/7!
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I'm pretty sure there will be more freerolls!  Take care!


When they accidentally took 14 Bitcoin for the BBJP when it didn't actually exist, they used it for a freeroll instead of returning it to the players.(You can read about that here.)

Theyve admitted to using the money they confiscated from cheaters for a freeroll promotion instead of returning it to the victims.(you can read about that here)

Perhaps they will use the money that should be paid back directly to the players from taking too much rake for over a month.  

Its probably well over 10 BTC.

Maybe youll get a 20 BTC freeroll or more!

Based on my understanding the BBJ is currently active and will be paid out if hit.  I will get back to you about the other links mentioned.  

No rush, just wanted to make sure you haven't forgotten.  (or maybe I missed you getting back?)
legendary
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Remember everyone that your rakeback is always paid for the previous week's play.  So if you receive 100 chips in rakeback from me, that is what you earned LAST week (Mon-Sun).



legendary
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The Bad Beat Jackpot has reached over 20,000mbtc!  Get in for your chance to win a share!

Most of the jackpot (~14,000 mbtc) doesn't belong to Betcoin.  It was taken from players who were told they weren't being charged for the bbjp. This was before August 3rd, when there was no jackpot.

Betcoin has admitted they took the money and seem to think its ok to not return it the players they took it from.  

Another issue is their terms of the current jackpot do not make sense.

For example, they left out how the jackpot would be distributed (traditionally loser of hand gets x%, winner y%, z% is used to seed the next jackpot and table or room share the rest ), the fees make no sense - it just says 1, 5 or 10...1, 5 or 10 what though?

I've brought this up to them, along with plenty of other issues.

Fair warning though, they've banned (and unbanned) me 7 times, without explanation (other than one time for spamming - in reality making posts exactly like this on their forum).  



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