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legendary
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April 14, 2015, 11:52:54 AM
#37
3 pages deep, its already out of hand.  Cheesy

But yeah, I tried to stay with that thread, but has anyone gotten to know if after the ceizing of their offices plus being courts finally.

Anyone gotten the update if hes going to serve time? or something.
legendary
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I don't believe in denial.
April 14, 2015, 06:40:07 AM
#36
Now the agencies involved are; the CAB, the HSE, the FTC, the EC & the TSA. Can you guess which agency is which? Wink
Thank you KelticFox, if only we had more members like you.

Sometimes it feels like you have to push people to do something this beneficial to their own good.

http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/
http://www.hse.gov.uk/
http://www.ftc.gov
http://ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm
http://www.tsa.gov/


Sorry, messed up my acronyms;

CAB: Citizens Advice Bureau
HSE: Health & Safety Executive
FTC: Federal Trade Commission
EC: European Commission
TSI: Trading Standards Institute

Might as well throw in the TSA: Transportation Security Administration too...

Next to the FTC, FBI, DoJ, AG, IRS, USPS and what not, it makes for a nice little Alphabet soup...  Grin
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 08:33:04 PM
#35
What a shame. This was the only thread that was somewhat interesting in the Hardware forum. Nothing is going on in the hardware space atm.
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 08:14:12 PM
#34
Edited for brevity, originals available upon request.
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 07:51:06 PM
#33
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Nice, so the posts are just memes now. That's actually funny when you can't sort memes from information... reading too much /b/ maybe?Roll Eyes

Edit: Keliticfox, how did your saucy exploit go? Did BFL respond?

Yes, BFL did respond.

They rescinded their previous statement in which they offered a refund (when I sent them photos of the damage). They then stated that I could have a refund if I shipped device back and it had been tested to 'eliminate user error'. As per my (very clear) instructions to BFL, I did go ahead and contact the various 3 letter agencies that I said I would.

Agency A: Advised to not send the Monarch back as they are very interested in testing it themselves.
Agency B: Very interested and has now referred the case to another agency who's the equivalent of the FTC in the UK.
Agency C: Responded within 6 minutes(!) that they want to talk to me via telephone (from the USA) this week. Agency C is the agency that BFL really do not want involved.
Agency D: Referred me back to Agency B.

Now the agencies involved are; the CAB, the HSE, the FTC, the EC & the TSA. Can you guess which agency is which? Wink
Thank you KelticFox, if only we had more members like you.

Sometimes it feels like you have to push people to do something this beneficial to their own good.

http://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/
http://www.hse.gov.uk/
http://www.ftc.gov
http://ec.europa.eu/index_en.htm
http://www.tsa.gov/
legendary
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Merit: 1003
April 13, 2015, 07:48:46 PM
#32

And mods don't ban, admins do, all we need to do is point admins at behaviour and let them decide.
I am unsure if that is true or not. I do recall Psychotic Boy banned a member. I don't recall any Admin being involved in that episode. He wasn't even the Mod of that board that he used his moderators powers over.

Please don't insinuate I'm trying to protect bfl in any fucking way.
I do sense your inner clown (that is a good thing) so I know you are a good mod.

Take a look at it for yourself and try and convince yourself it was in any way a mining hardware thread.
One last question, Inaba and BFL_Josh have deprived individuals of millions in their delayed refunds. Documented fact. (non-disputable)

Question: Has anything been done against either of these two accounts: BFL_Josh and Inaba?
Have they been suspended? Banned? Anything?

You have people committing far lessor offenses against Bitcointalk and it's population and somehow they result in a Ban very quickly. What the deal with this?

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Another fact, these incidents with BFL and their refund (or their reasonable fulfillment issues) have happened no less than 3 times with the same events repeating themselves year after year. Still, they somehow continue as if the Admins above are completely blind to the obvious facts of how these people impact Bitcoin or it's Bitcointalk members.

If BFL were to open a new exciting thread in the hardware section to announce the sale of some new hardware with the same premise (pre-order, OR a request for customer funds with a wait time greater than 7 days before 100% fulfillment); would the Admins and Mods allow this to happen for the 4th or 5th time AGAIN?

Only serious question with serious responses PLEASE.
sr. member
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Mmmh mhmhh mmmm.
April 13, 2015, 02:45:43 PM
#30
LOL. Awesome, bruh. Keep us updated!
-ck
legendary
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Ruu \o/
April 13, 2015, 10:57:23 AM
#29
What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread  Roll Eyes

You mean like this?

Just wanted to let you guys know that a mod was kind enough to let me know that I was in trollin' territory and that I should chill, in which I thanked him for givin' me the heads up.

And mods don't ban, admins do, all we need to do is point admins at behaviour and let them decide. Please don't insinuate I'm trying to protect bfl in any fucking way. I left the thread in hardware for much longer than it deserved to be there because it had started before I became a mod and people were looking for that thread there even though it didn't belong, in the hope it was somehow useful. A few times I posted on that thread to try and get people back onto meaningful discourse but it kept getting derailed. I didn't delete any of the last few posts as it was an unsalvageable mess. Take a look at it for yourself and try and convince yourself it was in any way a mining hardware thread.
sr. member
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Mmmh mhmhh mmmm.
April 13, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
#28
That was originally a Josh post ripping on Bruno that I edited for absurd purposes.

I know, bud. But it wasn't entirely off the mark either. Shocked
full member
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Are you OCD?
April 13, 2015, 10:15:54 AM
#27
What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread  Roll Eyes

So now the "BFL story" gets buried deep in this forum........that locked thread is/was very important to keep newbies aware of BFL.

Now it will sink into oblivion...BFL wins...bitcointalk forum mods win...& those of us who know what BFL is up to & trying to expose them lose  Angry

Hope you mods choke on all that BTC BFL gave you for advertising  Tongue
It is a known fact now that some of them are reading our pm's and conducting searches on terms like BFL...  What are they trying to find out and to whom are they reporting to? Can you search pm's without a warrant? Maybe they should be asked about it.
legendary
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I don't believe in denial.
April 13, 2015, 09:36:03 AM
#26
What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread  Roll Eyes

So now the "BFL story" gets buried deep in this forum........that locked thread is/was very important to keep newbies aware of BFL.

Now it will sink into oblivion...BFL wins...bitcointalk forum mods win...& those of us who know what BFL is up to & trying to expose them lose  Angry

Hope you mods choke on all that BTC BFL gave you for advertising  Tongue

Hear, hear!!!

I find it totally Unacceptable too...

PS: and also put this "up for [META] discussion" (again!) at: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/deleted-posts-in-the-hardware-bfl-thread-double-standards-and-hypocrisy-914998
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 06:45:02 AM
#25
On the topic of Bruno, it would be interesting if he fainted in court and has to request medical intervention. Hopefully screwing the date of the appearance by a few months and a few expensive lawyer payments between then and later.

Whoa, I think I dozed off a bit there while writing on my keyboard.

Edit: Hmm, interesting delirious episode I had. It brings up an interesting point. Will there be a well funded BFL with cash to spend between now and June? Who knows?

Edit2: I suppose that whole receivership payment stalemate will probably turn side ways by the end of April at the longest. You know, recieverships do not like to work for free and get upset when they don't get their bonanza payments on time. Hopefully, they are retaining enough refunds to pull them through to see the end of the FTC case. One can only hope for the best.
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 06:36:49 AM
#24
I would also avoid using labels like "facts" as BFL would contest any facts with their own made up "bullshit". And by bullshit, I mean whatever it is they legitimately believe to be based on truth.

(in theory, or in a hypothesis, in otherwords I am not entirely sure if that is the case or not, purely speculation,  Cheesy )
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 06:31:28 AM
#23
rik, it's best to do it yourself instead of complaining. I mean, seriously...

The complaining isn't for me really. I've got pacer access so I get clean versions of all the legal stuff. It's the other stuff that I wish was more user friendly.

Perhaps I'll just compile bruno's post and take out the colorful banter. Would take some time to work through the backlog but there is good information. It would just be easier if an editor resided somewhere between his brain and his fingers.

I think that would work really well but there should be room for retaining the speculative pieces of information. It could easily be hosted in a static HTML document, and having it hosted somewhere wouldn't be hard. I would advise some kind of collaboration, because Bruno knows where all of his posts are and what info they hold. Something to think about.
You might want to use a Google word document. You can collaborate online and restrict editing privledges to certain individuals. Everyone else could only read it. I have seen people use it for independent korean news. It works effectively from what I can remember.
legendary
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https://locktrip.com/?refId=40964
April 13, 2015, 04:09:06 AM
#22
Continuing where we left off at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11069878

hi lleroy
i have read about bfl problem since 2012...
the thread posted from you, was started on 09 March 2013, 04:37:13.

...and there were problems even before.

so... i do not know if BFL is scam..
i have never buy at BFL...
but for sure... i will never check it
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 03:15:33 AM
#21
What a crock of shit!!! Gleb does what Bruno does,you mods know how he is....& you mods ban him for 5 days...no warning,just an outright ban & lock the thread  Roll Eyes

So now the "BFL story" gets buried deep in this forum........that locked thread is/was very important to keep newbies aware of BFL.

Now it will sink into oblivion...BFL wins...bitcointalk forum mods win...& those of us who know what BFL is up to & trying to expose them lose  Angry

Hope you mods choke on all that BTC BFL gave you for advertising  Tongue
legendary
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Christian Antkow
April 13, 2015, 02:52:58 AM
#20
That was originally a Josh post ripping on Bruno that I edited for absurd purposes.
sr. member
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Mmmh mhmhh mmmm.
April 13, 2015, 02:30:01 AM
#19
Just a reminder of what we're dealing with here (thanks Xian01; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9398683):

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"What? You expected me to tell the truth?  Why would you expect this time for me to tell the truth when I've never done it before?  I've admitted to lying multiple times and yet you think THIS time is the time I'll be honest and truthful?  LOL... you are such a sucker.

I only post for attention.  Reality and truth are not my objective and I've rarely, if ever, posted a true statement and if I have, it was purely by accident.  Everything I've posted so far as has been manufactured in my fractured mind.  I'm just waiting to link us to JFK and DB Cooper.. I'm almost there.  I do enjoy watching my machinations, though... they are highly entertaining.  What's interesting, though, is that all of my efforts to prove these things can be easily disprovable in court and by the FTC, yet I'm making these claims.  I do wonder what's going to happen when this is all over and nothing has come of all my lies and made up "proof."  Will I finally crack completely or will I continue my conspiracy theories with claims of "Well, they just didn't look hard enough!" or "The FTC just too stupid to figure it out, but I know the truth!" or maybe it will be "BFL was so sneaky they did all this conspiracy crap so well that it was impossible to prove."  You can already see my reactions in a microcosm. "Maybe we'll ship a Monarch today"  *nothing happens* ... "Well, maybe it will be another two weeks come Monday."  When nothing happens two weeks from Monday, I'm sure I'll have yet another excuse as to why my lies did not magically manifest as truth. If you haven't figured it out yet, I have no inside sources or special knowledge. I'm not special in any way.  I'm just an old, raving madman sitting in a dark house desperately grabbing for attention in any way possible. My sources don't exist and everything I spew out is just made up.  Much like Nostradamus, if you make up enough shit, eventually some part of it is bound to come true.  You don't have to believe me, just go back and look through my claims and predictions and then count up the number of times I've been wrong vs the number of times I've been right.  It's maybe 1 in a 100... 1 in 500.  Heck, you flip a coin and you're bound to be right more than I have ever been right.

Hehe, it's fun watching though... it's like reliving the moon landing and JFK conspiracies, but in real time and with the benefit of actual facts."

Poor me, I almost feel sorry for myself.  I've lost my job, source(s) of income, nearly my house... I have nothing in life left to sustain myself except for the attention I get here. My prediction is that I will cling to it as long as I can, saying and doing anything and everything to maintain that attention.  Once I go away... I wouldn't want to be anywhere near myself.

-Josh Zerlan"

hero member
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Just a regular guy who likes his fiber.
April 13, 2015, 01:54:04 AM
#18
I will talk to him about it. Also he really should contact the court or the FTC and tell them he believes they are trying to silence by using the court improperly. I can't imagine it would look good for the company if it were found they were trying to silence critics though the legal system since just doing on their's and other's websites isn't working. 

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