Topic: BFL Monarch - Delivery Dates - page 15. (Read 32605 times)

http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners <--- sue them even if they deliver. It is already 15+ months since they started development and over nearly 6 months late for those that initially ordered and you are entitled to an immediate refund according to FTC rules.The same thing with the 65nm and now the 28nm. Planned delays probably got Luke Jr. already working on the firmware so they can "BURN-IN" your unit for a few months more why you wait.

Does anyone believe that they will deliver at all ?

FYI I got my refund from BFL $8519.30 (incl a prev jally that did not ROI) so out of that down 300 bucks ..will take it ...this was due to my Monarchs taking loinger
then 6 months....they merged my 600gh and 300gh refunds...so the 600gh refund was 45 days and the 300gh they could have waited another 30 days according
to the 45-60 day timeline on such refunds they state in an email when you ask (again if over 6 months late on monarch and you paid in full)..they paid the works in
45 days complete to the dime...of course 1 year and 20 days late and a lot of arm twisting...but anyway I was refunded (and still somewhat in shock)

Now to my point from the sidelines.....(I"m shouting get in the lifeboats with your refund and paddle)

er i digress

so with the above bona fides (ie no dog in this fight any more)

WHEN THE HELL ARE THESE MONARCHS SUPPOSED TO SHIP? er sorry reverted to previous no refund rage mode....

I know that 6 weeks ago or so Josh said (again this is in good faith from the last I know of) that it would be 4 weeks

well that timeline is past....

what is the info on the timeline now? or are they simply not saying because of another glitch or hell they are just refunding
everyone at this point in time due to the NO ROI nature by the time they come out?

So my experiences above aside

I'd like a clear link to 'when' the current monarchs are supposed to be shipped? IF such a link or info exists?

hey ....it is like a bad car crash...I may have gotten out....still wondering about the rest of the victims and their options

This should not be too much of a stretch for a  "legit' company to keep its 'even revised late' timeline up to date for the public

anyway snarkyness aside

are they ever ever gonna ship or is it still '2 more weeks?"

and before I go

KUDO's to Josh if he (as I think he has said) WAS behind us getting a refund or double hash if the product (monarch) took more then 6 months .....I am
willing to give him  the benefit of a doubt now that I see from sources he is simply an employee...so....trying to rise above it
all...if you did push this thank you...(I'm trying to keep 'some' faith in human nature)....

But the harsh question remains? "when are they gonna ship?"

a very very contented (now that I got my $$$ back)

Searing

No you don't have to expect it. In fact here is a thought buy BTC instead. I just stopped reading because that sort of mentality perpetuates BFL as a company. No they are not reputable they do not represent how production can be carried out. I hope you are not advising people to continue purchasing from BFL given all that we know.

Josh has omitted and hidden the actual time to get these products to market and continues to do that. Given what passes for estimates you can easily see that what he is really doing is lying about delivery to lock people in and make sure they can't get their money out. After the ASICs no one should have bought another BFL product full stop.

Yeah, I expected that though.  It is a particular failing of theirs.  I've also noticed, that if you do anything wrong, type an order number wrong in the notes section of your wire transfer, or do anything other than exactly what their prescribed parameters are you're in trouble, and good luck getting a response.  I could be wrong overall, but from the threads I've seen where people had problems it was always in addition to some kind of slip up, refreshing the order page, or something trivial like that.  IT seems as though they are inexperienced with running a high end high-demand manufacturing business, and since they are dealing with such a large volume of transactions things can fall through the cracks.  I see their failings as mistakes, not as malicious or nefarious harbingers of a scam to come.  Do i wish I had bought a bunch of KnC miners that I would already have by now.  Yes, but had I ordered from them and they had been a scam (a new firm with very high GH/s and good prices)  I, and my clients would have been screwed.  I've been following Josh's updates on the BFL support forums closely, and according to my electrical engineer brother (who will be roped in to help me build a few hundred of whichever DIY miner is recognized as reliable, cost effective, and generally "good") the steps Josh is describing are real things, real things that get done quite shortly before final production models are ready to be finished and ship out, so I'm not too worried.  I've always had February in my head as the delivery date, so I'm not waiting on pins and needles just yet.  

Plus Antminer cam out for 1.45 btc, so I just got a bund of those to hold me over.  I'm confident BFL won't steal my money, but if they do, well, for over 20k that warrants an in home visit to discuss their options for paying me back.

BFl fails to deliver badly, most probably mining with customer hardware.

That is a fair enough assessment except not everyone got their units from BFL it was not most assured that you would and given that some people waited in excess of 12 months you are dreaming, still more are owed a refund and some customers are having to go to court to get compensation. At this point BFL is no better than any "unknown" scams of the past, present and future. You do know that the Monarch is now 10 months into "pre-production" based on the statements from BFL?

I didn't know anything about the other firms, I knew that BFL would deliver, even if it was late.  I was more willing to shell out 20k on a sure thing than risk getting scammed by people I hadn't dealt with before.  I'm a big fan of antminer S1 at the moment, dirt cheap, and they arrive right after you order them.

Dropt,

I cant speak for other members, but in my case was a huge mistake, I made the order because I get excited and didn't take the time to analyze at that moment my analysis was well this people of BFL fucked deeply but now they "learned" from past experiences and a new product will not suffer same problems as before I considered was safer than HashFast, Cointerra and KnCminer, I ordered from all of them and I just received the equipment of KnC, no news from Hashfast, Cointerra or BFL for me sorry to say are all the same, and yes BFL learned.... learned there are a bunch of Idiots like me that will send them the money of a pre-order even with all the bad references we have about the company so at some point I am guilty for being a huge idiot, but anyway may worth try to do something to reduce the loss.

All the best!

I'm curious as to what kind of due diligence the investors and yourself did to come to the agreement that purchasing from BFL was a good move.  Especially when you concluded that their timelines were bullshit from the get go, that most other manufacturers were already well onto their way to deliver 28nm and difficulty was expected to skyrocket.

Idk how anyone who ordered from BFL didn't expect it to take this long.  I have a few investors who are in right beside me with bfl, and when I ordered back in Aug I told them Jan or Feb.  I did have the advantage of having dealt with bfl before, but it's just what they do.  their miners seem to be more professionally made, more efficient, but they take forever, and are terrible at predicting how long it will take, or use the pre-order funds to finance the development.  they definitely aren't a scam.  I did just pick up a few ant miners tho... and if bfl was like that, I would have spent 100k with them by now... their loss.

Did anyone knows a good lawyer interested in do a class action against BFL, if we don't act fast the company will evaporate because someone else will move faster and drain all their assets.

I think we can bring a bunch of pre-order holders considering most of us did the orders when Bitcoin was about u$s 100 and we payed about u$s 6000 per card, and the difficulty evolution if a smart lawyer can explain it in a simple way in court I am possitive we have a case, I don't see any other way to recover a fraction of what we lost at least.

Regards

TMC

Honestly... I'm kinda just waiting for news headline to say, "BFL customer snaps due to no-show of hardware and shoots Josh in the face."

nice comments! at least we have some fun....

WTW Naaaaa... The Free Water will evaporate by then I want my FREEE WATER!

I predict your Monarch will arrive at your door some time between 2-2-22 and 2-22-22 

He said Feb,but not is that 2014 or 2015.

...lolz ....that made my day

why is everybody still buying from bfl.

Are you guys just plane stuppid ?
Didnt you get the message after the first asic batch.

They are lying, stealing ( confirmed by law agency) , customs scamming not deliverying bastards.
Joshsie is the one that has the biggest plate in front of his shitty stealing head

you brought it on yourself , the will not be shipping until the are worthless!

And you can take that to the bank !!