Topic: BFL Requests Input - page 3. (Read 34805 times)

yeah, I'm wondering as well...

Yochdog. The chosen one.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/31-community-representative-visit-bfl-manufacturing-facilities-poll.html

Who?

Take a wild guess bitsnpieces, eh I mean Frizz23

yup yup. placed my chips in the proper places now

if he did, everybody already read his report.

Did Yochdog already visit BFL?

And the possibility he's a high tech cyborg made by the reptillians to bring on the new world order by leading people into the bitcoin network

Lol 

+1

You are excluding, Josh trusting inaccurate information being given by his bosses at BFL. (Not saying this is the case, just pointing out this is a possibility)

I have recently read parts of some of the BFL-related threads and I must say, if I was Josh I would've probably jumped from the balkony by now or died from a heart attack. I don't know how he copes with all the shit he has to handle.

I had a good 20 minute face time with him over a beer in London back in September and talked to him on other occasions there, too. I got the impression he's a really cool guy. Something about the way he knew he shouldn't drink more because he had all the work and meeting people the next day but still said: awwwright, fuck it, let's drink more with these guys.

As probably many people before me, I asked him all the hard questions, pretty directly, looking him straight in the eyes. "Are you guys a scam?", "Will you mine coins while testing?", "Why not?",.... After reflecting on his answers there were 2 options:

• BFL are very awesome bitcoin supporters, they love Bitcoin for the same reasons I love it and that's why they're doing this... they want bitcoin to succeed in the long run and see it change the world for the better (and make some money, of course)
• BFL are masterful long con scam artists and Josh a masterful lier.

I cannot know the answer, but my gut feeling says: it's the former option, 98% sure.

That's why I upgraded from 2 jalapenos to 1 mini single (or whatever it's called), fully aware that this was still a gamble (I ordered pretty late), but I wanted to get back into mining because it just feels so good to support the blockchain.

Just in case they'd turn out to be a scam, I congratulated Josh for pulling such an incredible long con. He put out a hearty laugh at that, no evil grin to be seen ;>.

Non of your 2 suggestions. I was asking for the same treatment for people asking questions like you do, when they ask similar questions regarding other vendors. Without the mods removing posts, using their moderator privileges to steer topics into the direction of their desire, without stepping in and ridiculizing people by crippling their comments, or calling them BFL shills. If you were treated by the same mods if your questions had the same tone towards btcfpga or the avalon project, you would be named and shamed as some BFL shill, or as Inaba's sock puppet.

And no, I don't have those questions for those other producers, as I understand it is pretty clear they don't have answers to them. It is quiet simple to understand that anything that can shed a light on the progress of their efforts will be put up by them at the second they have something to show.
Don't worry, if I have questions regarding your product, I will use your thread to ask them. But I don't have questions, I'm in no need to constantly want proof, then some more, then some more, and so on.

Because that is what they have stated publicly.

I am not a hardcore conspiracy theorist who believes there is "no BFL".

I believe they have a product. I believe they eventually will ship. Like other members though I have doubts on the "When" and which cutting of corners (if any) they took to get the products out in time.

Every indicator they have given is that they are behind schedule. (In my weird twisted [assisted clown like] mind).

At this time all we have are speculations. I may share some of that theory but not all of it.

I do believe they have made a Full Custom ASIC chip. I think they aren't going to make their "5th week target". I do believe they are not ready to ship. I believe they are telling the truth but they aren't possibly giving the whole picture of what is happening with their product.

As of the 25th one of their representatives stated they didn't yet have a working prototype. I find it kinda hard to believe that a month later they will be shipping for this reason.

I see that Kano and Yochdog are still waiting for the trip to inspect the facilities. So I suspect this means that (as their representative stated) there is nothing significant to see...ie it's not ready yet. (ETA 3 weeks from expected shipping).

I don't think they will (IMO) ship in volume, though I might be wrong. I expect they will have extra delays, try as hard as they might.

I believe them when they said they had some refraction issues at the Fab. When asked pointed questions about it....I believe they were roundabout as to what that may mean for their schedule.

There are many valid reasons why I think they will miss their target date. It is not any one single reference that convinces me of anything. It is a collection of points.

At best, I figure if they do ship in December, it will be low volumes. This is all speculation though.

It can be done, if you apply the right processes and technology, sure why not? Tom has come close and he is only at 90nm. I don't know about Avalon.

That is invariably true of any released product.

Post note: I am not a "Kook" (nor a psycho or "a clown"). I have my (valid) reasons for speculating the way I do.

This is supposed to be BFL's thread for a specific purpose

It's sad and cluttered to see all this bitching and moaning on here

conception? Well, ASIC was the logical next step after FPGAs, the concept of "talking" about the possibility of producing an ASIC started as early as March of this year. The actual process of R&D and simulations started around June/July I suppose.

For the future please keep Avalon based questions in the Avalon thread.


What? Don't ask to ask questions. If you have questions you need answers regarding Avalon, please post them in our Development Status Thread.

I am telling you that you are free to post the same questions to the other vendors.

Unlike what you have asked of others, I am not trying to restrict you from doing so.

Is this about people "not asking" other vendors the same [hard] questions?

Or

Is this about how you feel about people "asking" BFL the hard questions...and you want that to stop.

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Be clear with me on this and I will help you in that endeavor.

Are you after "equal treatment" of all vendors or do you want other people to stop asking difficult questions (to any or all vendors)?

When you give me a good indicator on this I will go with the flow. The results will probably be interesting.


I need a rough idea of what you seem to want others to do. If it is to promote equal treatment for all vendors or if you are only asking everyone to "stop asking" questions.

Why do you still believe bfl will release a fully custom asic. They think they are going to ship within a couple weeks of receiving their first chip. They more than likely are lying about either (a) having a full custom chip which also explains why they are being super secretive, or (b) are lying about shipping dates that are very far off to keep people from ordering from their competitors. I'm leaning towards them releasing an actual product eventually, which I wasn't even sure of before, and not an outright scam. But the idea of them releasing a fully custom chip that gets 1g/hash a watt with no prototype testing needed, no way!

Also if an asic chip is released by someone it will be mostly obsolete in a couple years

Come on, don't play dumb, you have seen what the simplest questions about product state of development or power usage did to those threads and the ones asking them. Why don't you dedicate one of your repetitive walls of text in one of those threads, and see if you can get the answers you ask for from BFL, from them too?
Quoting myself from your link:
"You may think your requests for pictures are legit, they are mostly naïve. Why are these questions only asked at BFL, no one is demanding them from the other asic mining equipment makers. Has anyone of you ever demanded pictures of parts or production lines from other announced products like laptops, or cars or i-phones, that you wanted?
Why did you order and prepay, at a time when the information was zero besides "we are going to make an asic", and are you now complaining that you are not being handed more than already is handed as information to you, imho a lot?
I mean, you had the balls to jump in back then, hold on to them. And don't pre-order more if you have doubts about BFL, won't matter much for your future orders as the time for release is pretty soon now."