Topic: Biblepay BBP Community Discussion Thread - page 8. (Read 23762 times)

in my opinion it is not right, because your thread is talking about the development of a project that should not be here, indeed here is free space, but certainly has limitations

Rob has not confirmed,  and unfortunately despite many assumptions I don't know we can say 100%.

Thanks for the info. So Rob/biblepay is the same Rob referenced in Wikipedia's Gridcoin article?

"Gridcoin was officially launched October 16, 2013 by its pseudonym developer Rob Halförd."

I don't see an issue with this. The code is open source so you can freely copy it. There's no attribution to GridCoin in the code which is wrong...  Even if the code was copied verbatim, you still need to adapt, modify, and test for BiblePay. I doubt it is just copy & paste.

Thanks!

I want to clarify, we're not looking to become dictators,   but to better relate with the community... If you see something other than this feel free to PM us

Guys take a look a the recent update for the community.. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47302933

Rob has opened his hands quite a bit with this, and I would appreciate your support in keeping the community going..

For the time being we can leave this thread open,   I would ask that if you have a post deleted and you do not see a public comment on why from tmike or myself to let one/both of us know.

I will ask one thing,   lets keep Gridcoin speculations off the main thread,  until/unless Rob says there is a link publicly.

This could be a turning point for the community if everyone allows it to be.

I am a core dev on Gridcoin, and I can categorically say that the lead Gridcoin dev's post is absolutely right. Rob departed on amicable terms and remains on friendly terms. His vision for Gridcoin was simply different than the community's. Rob wanted to take Gridcoin in the direction of DASH masternodes, whereas the rest of the community wanted to keep Gridcoin based on Bitcoin's core code, bringing it up to date with the current bitcoin core, and implementing new features in accordance with the Gridcoin 4.0 roadmap. We are executing on this roadmap.

Fair point,  some changes are coming that may help settle things for a bit...   stick around guys it's going to be an interesting ride.

History gives insight into someone's prior behavior and helps us understand their present behavior. It looks like the former lead dev of a project decided to create a new one that gave him enough control to insure he would never lose it.

The game is about power. The challenge for the dev is the same challenge for all Christians. Do we humble ourselves to the leadership of our true King, or do we cling to our own power?

As for transparency, the CEO of every single public company is required to give up their anonymity and to face ongoing scrutiny. It's only a matter of time until mainstream participation and financial regulation will require the same openness and accountability for CEO-devs in the murky financial world of crypto.

Exactly. If I were the GridCoin lead dev, I would never say in public something like "Yeah, he was like this and this and we kicked him out". GRC lead dev actually wrote a diplomatic/euphemistic/evasive/unclear sentence which may as well hide whatever you like - quote from Reddit:


Now think for a moment about this sentence. Do you really think it's possible that someone would dedicate months or years of work toward a project with love, and then after a community votes for a different path, he's like "alright guys, see ya!", just like that, without batting an eye? Of course there had to be some drama and emotions, it would be impossible otherwise, especially knowing Rob.

Also, that same quote from Reddit is totally unrelated to the previous comment which said the blockchain stopped after a code commit by Rob, which was obviously referring to some time before July 2017 (before BiblePay was born), yet Den Ravonska says:


What the what?! It's like the previous comment asked if it was Rob's fault for the "forkapocalypse" of 2018, which doesn't make any sense. Why would something which happened in GRC in 2018 have anything to do with Rob which was working on BBP at the time? Why would he even mention something so unrelated? Or was it unrelated? In any case, his message is highly confusing and doesn't say anything concrete, except mentioning some random unrelated event.

Also, the parent comment said:

And Den's message says:

But the same Den's message also says:

Lol. So he is outright lying in the post, saying it's incorrect that the chain broke and then saying that it did broke.

So that was an absolute trash of a message from that guy.

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By the way, I see there's another deleted message in that Reddit thread which I didn't see before, so here it is for posterity:


Now I'm thinking - isn't it strange that after all this time Rob still hasn't disclosed his previous work, or his identity? One thing he probably doesn't realize is that people would treat him much better if he had a face! It's easy for people to be insensitive when they are talking to a faceless forum user, but if he showed his face, he would have much more respect automatically. It's basic psychology.

Rob gave up the private key gridcoin foundation. I wonder what he Really thinks versus what is stated in public. It's not good business to speak your mind sometimes.

Just to be clear, I thought it was stated in the reddit forum by current gridcoin lead that Rob left on good terms? I just don't want to mix up current tensions with past history if it isn't correct.

This is an outright lie. Rob has deleted 2 of my posts from this thread, which expose his lies and deceiving behavior with proposal deletions. Then he covers up the deceits by deleting the posts. Then he covers up the post deletions by further lying that he didn't delete any posts. Rob, you would be an excellent politician, lol, but here, everything dirty you do cannot be hidden, even with all the deletions you want. You just keep digging a deeper hole for yourself.

A good and honest man wouldn't have to delete any questions or criticisms. A good and honest man has nothing to hide.

Time of deletion of the 1st post: Oct 23 2018, 02:36:31
Time of deletion of the 2nd post: Oct 23 2018, 14:43:22

BCT forum mods can confirm this is the truth.

Also I posted the same posts at the same time in this thread ▼ (yes, this post too), so they can stay there for posterity. One of the posts even received merit.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47169688

Click "Watch" in that thread to be notified about uncensored BiblePay news and info.

That will become the main thread soon, unless Rob decides to radically change.

I'm sorry to everyone in the community that we have to put up with this misery. It's temporary and we will come out of it stronger.

Now I understand why Rob was kicked out of GridCoin. If there is no radical change in his behavior, I'm afraid we will have no choice but to also continue without him.

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Thanks for posting this, I was not aware of the recent comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/9q95lm/rob_and_togo_situation/

Deleted Comments: https://www.removeddit.com/r/BiblePay/comments/9q95lm/rob_and_togo_situation/

We're making progress. Together we stand in Christ.

Good responses, sunk818. His first sentence is baffling to me, I'm shocked, he must have wrote the truth accidentally, lol. Anyway, here's my soon-to-be-deleted post:

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Umm, WHAT? I honestly didn't expect you would admit so easily that I was right, haha. Cool stuff. Thanks, it's good to be honest. Now an apology to the community would be in order.

Still, that kind of action is deeply concerning for a decentralized project and we hope you will not do it again.

By the way, about your private message to me, mister PM-lord who always sends ugly PMs to people when he's upset, instead of confronting them publicly:

There is absolutely no reason for me to talk to you privately. I'm not interested in your personal life, so anything project-related can and must be talked about in public. And then when you attack someone, it's better for the public to see your real face.

You explicitly called me a coward in the PM, yet ironically you only want to hide in PMs with your dirty talk. In fact you even say in the PM:


Lol. Same bravery as with post deletions.

Nothing should happen behind closed doors in a cryptocurrency project, especially not in a charity project like this.

I'm sick of spending a large amount of energy trying to carefully word a post in a hopeless attempt to pander you and sound nice, when you are not nice to others. So here are my raw thoughts, not adjusted to your yes-men taste.


No, it's not being declined because of Togo's votes, it's being declined because you haven't voted with your masternodes. The proposal currently stands at only 2 yes votes.

Or maybe you have voted, but against your own proposal, to make you look like a victim. So in order to prove that you didn't vote against your proposal, you should list your masternode IDs and then vote with them to prove that they're yours. Of course, you won't do that. So how do you know that all those votes are Togo's? You don't, it's not provable. So you just made an allegation against him. You attacked Togo without proof and now I did that to you, so how does it feel?

Let's say you didn't really vote against your proposal and you have all of your masternode votes available. Then it's easy: if you just vote for the proposal with all of your masternodes, it will pass. But you will not do that because you want to hide the amount of masternodes you own. End of story.

Oh, and don't tell us your votes would not cover the 10% absolute yes votes needed, we've been watching past proposals and the sudden jumps in votes, before you realized you need to vote slowly. And don't tell us you didn't increase your masternode count during the low price period now, because you did. I know that you personally have played a big part in keeping the market afloat.

Also, what is really concerning and very centralized of you is that you have the power to simply delete/hide a proposal on a whim if you feel like it, to reset the votes and change the outcome. This is exactly what you did with the Widows proposal now and what you have been doing multiple times before. Proof:

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1st widows proposal (the removed one):


payment_amount: 481540
CreationTime: 1539455510 (October 13, 2018 6:31:50 PM)


68 positive votes, 72 negative votes, 7 abstains

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2nd widows proposal:


payment_amount: 381540 (?)
CreationTime: 1540215079 (October 22, 2018 1:31:19 PM)


5 negative votes, 4 abstains (0 votes a few hours ago)

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This means that you removed the votes (reset the proposal) in a centralized manner. You hid the original proposal from your centralized website, in order to deceive and mislead people. But the hidden proposal is actually still visible from the wallet, maybe you forgot that. I'm sure the wallet will be "improved" to also hide the proposals you decide should be reset/removed.