Topic: Bir Tawil nation - page 3. (Read 6380 times)

Btw, I don't say it would be easy, I'm just saying that it's the easiest plan of the Antarctica, Mars and Bir Tawil plans.

While you do have a point that the ice expands during the winters, but then, that just means that our fishing fleet will have to move further away from land. Pretty simple as well.
Wave power might be a problem in the winters, but we'd just have to compensate that with more wind power and biogas.

I can neither see the point that on that "some days it can go as low as -50°C to -60°C". The average temprature is mid winter −26°C. That's what we have to start from.
Thanks to all that wind we can get energy btw. The turbines could become covered in snow and ice during these blizzards, but when that happens we'd just have to go on our backup system with stored energy. When the blizzard is over we'd just have to remove the ice. The population needs to do something anyway.

Cows don't need very high temperatures, if we can keep the place on about 18°C it will work. And keeping something about 18°C under ground, especially with cows that themselves emit heat, is not that hard.
And then we'd just need to build the digester deep under the ground, heat it up, and there, no problems.

The last time I heard, Sudan and Egypt were not in good terms with each other. So even if you somehow persuade Egypt, I don't think the Sudanese will agree to cede the territory. 

the region is filled with Egyptian soldiers

so our plan is to persuade the Egyptian goverment to let us form a country that will be under complete authority of Egypt

points I have made are a few pages back from importing their products to tourist benefits..

For people who want to establish a nation at Bir Tawil. The region is land-locked, and is sorrounded by Egypt to the North and Sudan to the South. For establishing an independent nation, first you need to travel to Bir Tawil. How will you be able to travel, when both Egypt and Sudan has forbidden foreigners from traveling to that region?

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independant terrertory free to make dah bitcoin country

Coastal area ? what coast are you speaking about you do understand that in winter the land scape changes completely with icecaps growing by hundred of miles and that the supposed cost area becomes hundreds if not thousands of miles away of the liquid water? so anything related to fishing or tyde energy is impossible not only you aren't answering the energy issue we are talking about here I have the feeling that you are really underestimating Antarctica (and why scientist are having a hard time there despite the millions of dollars budgets)
here you go :



Also when it comes to temperatures, McMurdo antarctic base which is coastal and located in one of the warmest if not the warmest area in Antarctica  the temperature can reach -50°C -60°C, the winter doesn't hit in one go, hence the mean temperature is as high as -28°C but that doesn't mean that there aren't days where the temperatures as low -60°C, as for winds blizzards and such, please, .... Antarctica is very windy place, since there aren't much mountains to block the wind(the continent mountains are under ice)

As for biogas.....let's discuss some facts so you know what you are talking about.....You need a 35°C in the digester to decompose waste into biogas.
Biogas is very hard to store as it is very hard to liquify but more importantly 50Cows, would produce the equivalent of 50L of fuel everyday, I don't know if you can put it in perspective, the amount of space and energy needed to give 50 cows a living environnement in Antartica would use more than those 50L of fuel per day I'm not even talking about feeding them (you can also use human waste and organic food waste but it's no where near what cows produce) so no biogas is not an option here. maybe you have other solution you didn't present yet so feel free to share

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Yeah, but we still don't have it, so it's not really relevant.
Agree to that self-destruction thing anyway!
For the last time, it does not get that cold in the costal areas! Even mid-winter the average temperature is −26°C. Much of the water in the ocean does not freeze, there's where the waves are. The wind you say? Those blizzards you talk about aren't that common in the costal areas, and when they come, then we'll just have to go on our reserves. No big deal. Okay, we might not have the sun for 6 months, and that loss we cover with the biogas if needed.

we've been playing with quantum entaglement for quite a while and can be a viable solution for long distance communication, you just need to take the entangled subpartical to the place you are going, are we getting communication system based on it soon; nope not we are far from that, it's just a viable option in decades or couple centuries if the human race manage to leave earth and start living in other planets but it's most likely we will kill our selfs before hitting that milestone lol

You know we don't have all that quantum stuff yet, right?

It's 3 to 21 min (and even the communication at 21min might be impossible unless we set up a proper satellite network), the difference is for a simple reason :

Both Earth and Mars turn around the sun, but both aren't at the same distance and they don't turn at the same speed around the sun, so what happens is that Earth and Mars get close to each (not to mention that Earth and Mars are not on the same plane, and that Mars orbit is more ovale than Earth)

check this out http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/retrograde/

Since earth is closer to the sun and heavier, it turns faster around it so earth passes Mars and they after 2 years they meet again, so when earth and mars are on the same side from the sun there is a point, when sun earth and mars centers from a line, that's when mars is the closest to earth, and the communication takes 3min to reach (btw rockets takes 6 to 8month to reach Mars at this distance, and actually we send the rocket before Mars and earth gets to this point it's like shooting in anticipation knowing where and when Mars will be the spacecraft will reach it orbit aka it should be on it, planets moves faster than any space craft so if you miss it it's a goner) of course after that point the distance between earth and mars starts widening as like we said before earth is faster than mars, to the point where they line again (a year later) this time Mars and Earth on opposite sides and that where earth and mars are at the farthest distance, we have the sun between us, (and the sun probably blocks communication I think this is called solar conjunction if I'm not mistaking, but if there are satellites on Lagrangian 4 and 5 points) (which will make communication even longer )

But yeah that communication with earth, but if you have you own population you won't internetz you can creat your own Martian internetz, on keep communication with earth, (also for instant communication, quantum entanglement for the win!)