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Quote from: Kiki112 on April 15, 2014, 01:31:26 PM

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours Cheesy

) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

hm, interesting

I understand the danger

but there is no other territory with such volume we could take

that's why it's so appealing

Antarctica is bigger, safer AND we can take it! It's a bit cold though... Wink

Antarctica is impossible from a technological stand point (energy, temperatures and seasons), unless of course you want to live with Hitler and his scret base in antarctica, maybe he can take you in his Hanebu to the dark side of the moon (which is not dark actually)

But anyways if you can set a permanent base in Arctanctica, setting one in Mars shouldn't be an issue (apart from getting stuff to Mars )

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Quote from: kuroman on April 15, 2014, 01:28:18 PM

Quote from: kuroman on April 15, 2014, 01:28:18 PM

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours Cheesy

) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

hm, interesting

I understand the danger

but there is no other territory with such volume we could take

that's why it's so appealing

Antarctica is bigger, safer AND we can take it! It's a bit cold though... Wink

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So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours Cheesy

) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

hm, interesting

I understand the danger

but there is no other territory with such volume we could take

that's why it's so appealing

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Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 01:04:56 PM

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours Cheesy

) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

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Quote from: Kiki112 on April 15, 2014, 01:03:22 PM

Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 01:02:08 PM

Quote from: Kiki112 on April 15, 2014, 01:03:22 PM

they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km Cheesy

but if you insist.. Cheesy

As stated in all these threads, nations rarely accept someone stealing their territory. And this area is not only claimed by one nation, but by two. And it's quite big as well!
So, honestly, I think the greek island idea is a lot easier to go through with! Wink

it's not claimed by any nation rather then 2!

if any of them wanted it they would of taken it by now..

No, because if one of them seriously attempt to take it, it will unarguably lead to a full scale war in that area. And neither Egypt or Sudan wants that.

that's why we can take it

if we take it and Egypt takes it won't it lead to an all out war

if we take it and Sudan takes it won't it lead to an all out war?

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Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 01:02:08 PM

Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 01:02:08 PM

they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km Cheesy

but if you insist.. Cheesy

As stated in all these threads, nations rarely accept someone stealing their territory. And this area is not only claimed by one nation, but by two. And it's quite big as well!
So, honestly, I think the greek island idea is a lot easier to go through with! Wink

it's not claimed by any nation rather then 2!

if any of them wanted it they would of taken it by now..

No, because if one of them seriously attempt to take it, it will unarguably lead to a full scale war in that area. And neither Egypt or Sudan wants that.

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they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km Cheesy

but if you insist.. Cheesy

As stated in all these threads, nations rarely accept someone stealing their territory. And this area is not only claimed by one nation, but by two. And it's quite big as well!
So, honestly, I think the greek island idea is a lot easier to go through with! Wink

it's not claimed by any nation rather then 2!

if any of them wanted it they would of taken it by now..

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Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 12:46:36 PM

they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km Cheesy

but if you insist.. Cheesy

As stated in all these threads, nations rarely accept someone stealing their territory. And this area is not only claimed by one nation, but by two. And it's quite big as well!
So, honestly, I think the greek island idea is a lot easier to go through with! Wink

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Quote from: Kiki112 on April 15, 2014, 11:35:35 AM

Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 10:25:52 AM

Quote from: lepirate on April 14, 2014, 04:09:34 PM

Quote from: supernovax on April 15, 2014, 11:52:17 AM

I dont think the location is ideal.

the only unclaimed location other then this is Antartica

and don't think we would have enough sunny hours for solar panels there Cheesy

Well, to be fair it is claimed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westarctica
However, I highly doubt the guy who claims it will do much if we claim it as well.

How about building a few earthships on antarctica? Since it's solid ground there would be possible to place the nation under ground!
Solar panels would work if we were able to store the electricity generated during the summers (around december) since antarctica has midnight sun for a time every year.

interesting

but isn't Bir Tawil more ideal?

it's definitely hoter and therefore generating more electricity

besides, it's closer to civilisation and we could gain some tourists

we could be in some sort of a relationship with Egypt like Vatican is with Italy so we can have free travel between our countries and therefore having tourists that come to Egypt visit us and Egypt will have tourists that visit us to visit them

No. Bir Tawil would just be stupid to claim. That would be way to dangerous. Also we'd have problems with getting water.
Antarctica might not be ideal, but it should be possible if we had enough money. At least we wouldn't have any problems with water supplies thanks to all the ice, growing could be done under gigantic glass roofs, or simply just under fluorescent lamps. The soil needed we could import or take from the antarctic ground (I don't know how fertile it is though). Energy could be created using solar panels, PowerBuoys and wind turbines. The buildings would also need to be heavy isolated. I think that would be the best option for us.

Why would it be stupid?
If we got permission from the Egyptian goverment why not?
Reasons why Egypt could allow us to do this
1.We would promise to build no army
2.They would have military acess to our country
3.We would have almost no borders (as Vatican with Italy) and therfore tourists that come visit us will definitely go visit Egyptian spots making us both prosper
4.We would only have economical independence, everything rest we would leave for Egypt
So basically we would be an expansion of their country but the only thing se would request is economical independence meaning no taxes, bitcoin as official currency etc.
5.We would state that our country will be eternally greatful for their generosity
And will always do only what is good to enhance our brotherhood
6. And one of the most important
Almost everything we need we would import from them making them prosper even more (such as water,food,etc.)
This isn't planned as a big nation but more of a few people living there and getting rich from mining power

I don't think neither Egypt or Sudan would be willing to let us have the territory. And there most of the plan fails, since both of those nations are willing to kill any occupiers.
Why don't we go with the "buy a Greek island" plan and place some miners there?

Floating island on international waters.

The problem with that would be how to keep the floating island stable. International waters can be quite harsh.

they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km Cheesy

but if you insist.. Cheesy

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Quote from: Kiki112 on April 15, 2014, 11:35:35 AM

Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 10:25:52 AM

Quote from: lepirate on April 14, 2014, 04:09:34 PM

Quote from: supernovax on April 15, 2014, 11:52:17 AM

I dont think the location is ideal.

the only unclaimed location other then this is Antartica

and don't think we would have enough sunny hours for solar panels there Cheesy

Well, to be fair it is claimed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westarctica
However, I highly doubt the guy who claims it will do much if we claim it as well.

How about building a few earthships on antarctica? Since it's solid ground there would be possible to place the nation under ground!
Solar panels would work if we were able to store the electricity generated during the summers (around december) since antarctica has midnight sun for a time every year.

interesting

but isn't Bir Tawil more ideal?

it's definitely hoter and therefore generating more electricity

besides, it's closer to civilisation and we could gain some tourists

we could be in some sort of a relationship with Egypt like Vatican is with Italy so we can have free travel between our countries and therefore having tourists that come to Egypt visit us and Egypt will have tourists that visit us to visit them

No. Bir Tawil would just be stupid to claim. That would be way to dangerous. Also we'd have problems with getting water.
Antarctica might not be ideal, but it should be possible if we had enough money. At least we wouldn't have any problems with water supplies thanks to all the ice, growing could be done under gigantic glass roofs, or simply just under fluorescent lamps. The soil needed we could import or take from the antarctic ground (I don't know how fertile it is though). Energy could be created using solar panels, PowerBuoys and wind turbines. The buildings would also need to be heavy isolated. I think that would be the best option for us.

Why would it be stupid?
If we got permission from the Egyptian goverment why not?
Reasons why Egypt could allow us to do this
1.We would promise to build no army
2.They would have military acess to our country
3.We would have almost no borders (as Vatican with Italy) and therfore tourists that come visit us will definitely go visit Egyptian spots making us both prosper
4.We would only have economical independence, everything rest we would leave for Egypt
So basically we would be an expansion of their country but the only thing se would request is economical independence meaning no taxes, bitcoin as official currency etc.
5.We would state that our country will be eternally greatful for their generosity
And will always do only what is good to enhance our brotherhood
6. And one of the most important
Almost everything we need we would import from them making them prosper even more (such as water,food,etc.)
This isn't planned as a big nation but more of a few people living there and getting rich from mining power

I don't think neither Egypt or Sudan would be willing to let us have the territory. And there most of the plan fails, since both of those nations are willing to kill any occupiers.
Why don't we go with the "buy a Greek island" plan and place some miners there?

Floating island on international waters.

The problem with that would be how to keep the floating island stable. International waters can be quite harsh.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 15, 2014, 11:01:31 AM

Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 10:49:22 AM

Yeah, but why would we care about the UN in this particular matter? While we build it we could claim it was for scientific purposes, and then there would be nothing they could do about it.
Also, antarctica has some dry spots where it would be ideal to build the nation.

They will send in the UN peacekeepers and you will be jailed for the rest of your life for destroying the delicate ecology of Antarctica. So, unless you want to go to prison, I would advice you to stay out.

Short answer:
1. No, they wouldn't.
2. No, I wouldn't.
3. No, it wouldn't.

Long answer:
1.
No they would not send peacekeepers. First of all it's not illegal to claim antarctica, however a few nations (for example the US) will not recognize any claims.
That however doesn't make it illegal to build a nation there. The Antarctic Treaty System (ATS) only applies to nations which have signed the treaty, which we will not (since that could take away our own right to our own existence).
2 and 3.
They would not jail me from destroying anything. We would not destroy the ecology, the ice covers would still be there, and we would not use any fossil fuels and such that could contaminate the surface. It's not illegal to destroy the ecology of antarctica anyway, even while doing so would be completely unnecessary and stupid.

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Floating island on international waters.

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Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 10:25:52 AM

Quote from: lepirate on April 14, 2014, 04:09:34 PM

Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 10:49:22 AM

I dont think the location is ideal.

the only unclaimed location other then this is Antartica

and don't think we would have enough sunny hours for solar panels there Cheesy

Well, to be fair it is claimed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westarctica
However, I highly doubt the guy who claims it will do much if we claim it as well.

How about building a few earthships on antarctica? Since it's solid ground there would be possible to place the nation under ground!
Solar panels would work if we were able to store the electricity generated during the summers (around december) since antarctica has midnight sun for a time every year.

interesting

but isn't Bir Tawil more ideal?

it's definitely hoter and therefore generating more electricity

besides, it's closer to civilisation and we could gain some tourists

we could be in some sort of a relationship with Egypt like Vatican is with Italy so we can have free travel between our countries and therefore having tourists that come to Egypt visit us and Egypt will have tourists that visit us to visit them

No. Bir Tawil would just be stupid to claim. That would be way to dangerous. Also we'd have problems with getting water.
Antarctica might not be ideal, but it should be possible if we had enough money. At least we wouldn't have any problems with water supplies thanks to all the ice, growing could be done under gigantic glass roofs, or simply just under fluorescent lamps. The soil needed we could import or take from the antarctic ground (I don't know how fertile it is though). Energy could be created using solar panels, PowerBuoys and wind turbines. The buildings would also need to be heavy isolated. I think that would be the best option for us.

Why would it be stupid?
If we got permission from the Egyptian goverment why not?
Reasons why Egypt could allow us to do this
1.We would promise to build no army
2.They would have military acess to our country
3.We would have almost no borders (as Vatican with Italy) and therfore tourists that come visit us will definitely go visit Egyptian spots making us both prosper
4.We would only have economical independence, everything rest we would leave for Egypt
So basically we would be an expansion of their country but the only thing se would request is economical independence meaning no taxes, bitcoin as official currency etc.
5.We would state that our country will be eternally greatful for their generosity
And will always do only what is good to enhance our brotherhood
6. And one of the most important
Almost everything we need we would import from them making them prosper even more (such as water,food,etc.)
This isn't planned as a big nation but more of a few people living there and getting rich from mining power

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Yeah, but why would we care about the UN in this particular matter? While we build it we could claim it was for scientific purposes, and then there would be nothing they could do about it.
Also, antarctica has some dry spots where it would be ideal to build the nation.

They will send in the UN peacekeepers and you will be jailed for the rest of your life for destroying the delicate ecology of Antarctica. So, unless you want to go to prison, I would advice you to stay out.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 15, 2014, 10:44:52 AM

Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 10:25:52 AM

No. Bir Tawil would just be stupid to claim. That would be way to dangerous. Also we'd have problems with getting water.
Antarctica might not be ideal, but it should be possible if we had enough money.

The UN prohibits human settlement in Antarctica, with the exception of research stations. So you'll have a very tough time establishing a colony in the Antarctic ice sheet.

Yeah, but why would we care about the UN in this particular matter? While we build it we could claim it was for scientific purposes, and then there would be nothing they could do about it.
Also, antarctica has some dry spots where it would be ideal to build the nation.

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Quote from: lepirate on April 15, 2014, 10:25:52 AM

No. Bir Tawil would just be stupid to claim. That would be way to dangerous. Also we'd have problems with getting water.
Antarctica might not be ideal, but it should be possible if we had enough money.

The UN prohibits human settlement in Antarctica, with the exception of research stations. So you'll have a very tough time establishing a colony in the Antarctic ice sheet.

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Quote from: lepirate on April 14, 2014, 04:09:34 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 15, 2014, 01:22:19 AM

I dont think the location is ideal.

the only unclaimed location other then this is Antartica

and don't think we would have enough sunny hours for solar panels there Cheesy

Well, to be fair it is claimed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westarctica
However, I highly doubt the guy who claims it will do much if we claim it as well.

How about building a few earthships on antarctica? Since it's solid ground there would be possible to place the nation under ground!
Solar panels would work if we were able to store the electricity generated during the summers (around december) since antarctica has midnight sun for a time every year.

interesting

but isn't Bir Tawil more ideal?

it's definitely hoter and therefore generating more electricity

besides, it's closer to civilisation and we could gain some tourists

we could be in some sort of a relationship with Egypt like Vatican is with Italy so we can have free travel between our countries and therefore having tourists that come to Egypt visit us and Egypt will have tourists that visit us to visit them

No. Bir Tawil would just be stupid to claim. That would be way to dangerous. Also we'd have problems with getting water.
Antarctica might not be ideal, but it should be possible if we had enough money. At least we wouldn't have any problems with water supplies thanks to all the ice, growing could be done under gigantic glass roofs, or simply just under fluorescent lamps. The soil needed we could import or take from the antarctic ground (I don't know how fertile it is though). Energy could be created using solar panels, PowerBuoys and wind turbines. The buildings would also need to be heavy isolated. I think that would be the best option for us.

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the only unclaimed location other then this is Antartica

No. In total, there are three unclaimed regions in the earth's surface.

They are:

1) Bir Tawil
2) Antarctica
3) International waters

The 3rd option is more viable. Check this:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/best-place-to-build-the-bitcoin-island-in-the-international-waters-556831

I know that, I wasn't clear enough as I thought about territory with a physical surface on which we can step on without being Jesus Cheesy

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