Topic: [BitAffNet] How we're the #1 Bitcoin Mining Pool In The World (or so we thought) - page 52. (Read 99167 times)

Reading from the previous threads, it sounds to me like S0br responded to you multiple times just you more or less ignored his response.

Relating to the supposedly fake antminers that were shipped and shipped to admins. I am not sure what exactly you want s0br to do to remedy the situation(despite doing nothing wrong). At this point all you have become is another ranting and raving troll.

So now we're hiding blocks and not paying users? What?

ThePhwner........

I have posted 1 link & 1 quote & you jump in out of nowhere?  To date, not including the posts you deleted yourself after realising you'd put your foot in it, you have posted 32 times in the BAN scam thread (the count was nearly 40 at one point) - 99% of which are abusive, childish, swearing &/or personally insulting. That count is also not including your posts as one of your many aliases, all similar in content, so you can at least quadruple the amount. It's all there in your scam thread for all to see - & you're going to get upset because I post a quote & a link?

Let me point out a few examples of what transparency isn't:

Deleting posts/evidence from BAN pool thread is not transparency.
Locking the BAN pool thread is not transparency.
Keeping it locked is not transparency.
s0br going AWOL from the scam thread after failing to answer a single question is not transparency.
s0br not getting back to me as promised about your fake photo's is not transparency.
You trying to talk for s0br is not transparency. (unless you are s0br-then you should post using that name).

You have stated yourself how much you despise the bitcointalk forum & it's moderators - yet you keep posting - why? If you hate it so much, leave. Maybe then s0br would be forced into speaking for himself......but I doubt it.

Thought I better correct a glaring piece of FUD in there
Highlighted above in bold red

It is a concern that a pool operator doesn't understand the catches and pitfalls of bitcoin pools and bitcoin mining.

The pool can steal their own user mining blocks they find and not pay them out to the miners.
They cannot hide/steal the blocks found by the miners.

If the pool is mostly full of sockpuppets/fake users that are owned by the pool, then yes the pool will be able to hide that % of the pools blocks.
However, the higher the %, the more obvious it will be when the pool block find rate drops.

You cannot hide the miners blocks and be in any way sure you will not be found out.
You will most likely be found out.
Any miner that finds a block will have that information available to them in the cgminer API and the cgminer log.
So if you have been sending the miner work that doesn't match the rest of the pool, so the payout goes somewhere else different to the rest of the pools blocks, the miner only has to notice that they found a block (who doesn't notice that?!?) and the pool will be caught out as the scam that it is for stealing the miners payouts.

I'd also suggest that: ... that also happens to be a major crime in most countries to steal close to $10,000 and usually it's not too hard to track down the owner of a pool and send the police over to visit them ...

You've repeatedly said your issues with me, s0br, and the pool have nothing to do with profits, and you've repeatedly gotten irate over people posting off-topic in your threads.

How about you follow your own rules?

This thread IS about mining profits and this BS is off-topic. Since the issues you have aren't about mining profitability, this isn't the thread for your lame-ass commentary.

If all the other places you've posted this nonsense haven't gotten you the respect and vindication you're after, it's not going to come from this thread either. We get it. We hear you. It just doesn't matter.

You may need to learn how to read. I said a scammer. A scammer is someone who "scams" someone. If I go and and steal all your money I am not a scammer I am a thief. The trust system is a list of people who say that they do or do not trust you. They can trust you for what ever reason they like. Anything from doing a physical trade with you or simply because they like your name.

BitAffNet has never scammed anyone as far as I am aware. If you have a real problem with the pool maybe you should explain what the problem is in clear words with out cursing and you might get a response.

Then I suggest you check again - as this is simply not the case. Some well respected forum members (gmaxwell, saltyspitoon) explain perfectly how the trust system works here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825856.20

....suggest you give it a read  

(Click "Ignore" on the BAN shill fire000)

I am not sure what the problem was 2 months ago, but last I checked a scammer is someone who goes steals something from someone. Did he steal anything from you?

Here's another vague statement from s0br about PPLNS:


So many quotes like this from s0br scattered around this forum.....the only joke I see is his credibility.

Good, because nobody does.

The last thing you said on your scam thread before you went AWOL was:


That was nearly 2 months ago, now all of a sudden you pop up with claims of being "Mr Transparency" again? 

I'm not asking anybody to believe anything I say. That's the point of this thread... the proof is in the numbers... not only is the data easily verified by anyone.. it can be done in as little as one hour.

I have personally been mining at BitAffNet since august and can say I have had no problems. Yes occasionally the hot wallet has run out and payouts were put on hold for a few hours, but besides for that I have had no problems.

As for the 10% bonus, I agree it cant be sustained for ever, but while it is here it makes perfect sense logically to mine at the pool. Dustcoin had their own pool previously that used to pay out a 1% bonus for mining with them and while they were around I made 1% more then I was supposed to.

Relating to the Miner giveaway, I personally received 2 antminer S3's for free and have had them running with no problems.

That's a joke right? 

It's funny how you cry if someone post "off topic" on your thread.  Please post your opinion in your scam thread.

Do not believe a word that s0br says - confirmed scammer!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-giveaway-promotion-scam-to-fake-users-stolen-mining-equipment-782765

chill boys, chill . . . let the miners themselves to decide for themselves. very simple test & i believe most miners have at least 2 or more miners available.

just test it for a couple of days (to be fair to whichever pool that you're comparing to) & make your own decision.

so far PPS is a huge risk to operators but that would not affect the miners that much but the good thing about PPS is that you get paid instantly couple of times a day or more (depending on your settings).

PPLNS does pays well or VERY well sometimes when the "luck" streak comes along but still have to wait for a block to confirm then only get paid.

PPS , get paid fast and constantly, get to use btc whenever needed ie price is good wanting to sell quick or to purchase something, etc

PPLNS , get paid slower, if in a hurry to use btc, you may not get it quick enough.

pros & cons, chicken & egg, let miners decide themselves.

200% is pretty great... if that's true then I'd be happy to put a link on our pool to your site... heh...

I'll have someone run some tests. PPLNS has that 'chance' that it may pay better... however it's a gamble. We chose not to support that payment model because it's very technically simple to hide blocks... and that's just not acceptable for us... anyway...

I think our users enjoy the consistency and predictability of our payouts...

I'll check you out

No, you made a vague statement about PPLNS implying something that is based on someone being able to do something impossible: predict when a block will be found.

And since you missed a more important point:
There are 2 mining strategies that should not be used by pools.
Prop and PPS.

Prop, since hopping will mean long term miners will be paid less per share than a well informed hopper.
PPS, since block withholding will not affect the block withholder or other miners, but will be a direct loss to the pool, so any small PPS pool that receives a withholding attack shouldn't expect to last long.

Really not the place to comment about fundamental differences of PPLNS and PPS...  Both have their benefits, and both have their downfalls.  Quite seriously not knocking your pool, would prefer to see more people take an open policy.  My reply was giving people more info about your pool that you felt strongly enough to post in someone's pool announcement thread and then quickly retort when someone thought some more info would be needed.

You do realise that there is no statistical basis for that?
It's actually bullshit and a complete lack of understanding of PPLNS.

Meanwhile BAN is paying out an extra 10% so eventually they'll either go broke and the pool will shutdown, or they'll stop paying the 10%.

Yes your arguments are FUD or misdirection