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Topic: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! (Read 8697 times)

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Capitalism is the crisis.
If you consider mundane subjects such as killing millions of people in wars, subsidizing GMO crops, poising water with fluoride, debasing the currency, and raiding people producing fresh milk, legalizing torture to be any different than raping your wife... I would like to know how.  Your wife is one person and she doesn't die... millions are starving or being killed as a result of people voting and 'complying' with the result.

No, I will not comply I will ignore and evade and undermine the result of the vote when ever it is in my interest to do so.

 

Huh? Fluoridation of your water supply is handled on a state level (assuming you are based in the USA), so if you disagree with it then feel free to talk to your local politicians for your state. And as said earlier, if you do not like all your politicians, feel free to run for a state position yourself. The only thing blocking you is if the majority of the states population agrees with you or not. There was a town that was mentioned on Arstechnica lately that was able to get rid of fluoridation of their water supply. Also, fluoridation has been proven time and time again to be very effective when in the water supply and done correctly, and in the USA it is done very well. Heck, it is even considered by some to be one of the best medical advancements of this century! Also, if you don't like it, feel free to get a water filter for ten bucks.

Subsidizing GMO crops is not a bad thing. It encourages further research for GMO's crops so the yield increases and therefore food would become cheaper, more accessible, and easier to grow. Though, how Monsanto handles GMO's is quite horrific, so I somewhat partially agree with your there.

Debasing the currency is a long and hard discussion. I don't want to get into that on a forum where this has been talked about over and over again, often times with misinformation on both sides.

Raiding people producing fresh milk, that I have no clue what you are talking about. Selling milk which you produce yourself is very illegal, as it should be without any sort of license.

You should know fully well that equating actions with a users wife getting raped is a very flawed and messed up way to get any argument across. Millions are not dying due to voting and complying with the result, I haven't got a faintest clue how you are getting that. People vote in for someone they wish to represent them, and those people who represent them handle how the government should handle and do things. If you do not like how they are doing things, either impeach them, vote for someone else the next time, get the public to show that they disagree with the recent action, or run yourself for office.

Meanwhile in America, the cliques of CNN FOX watchers are voting DEM REP based on how on the dole or wealthy they are; states rights have been crapped on as a matter of principle since Lincoln, despite weed being less freaky than flouride; prewritten letters are the greatest possible reward for saying anything to a politician; elections are only for rich lawyers and politicians, and rape is almost completely practically legal and widely ecouraged- and very much tax funded according to millitary rape stats.
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usually when I discover that something is prohibited by a government I think "wow I will use/buy/sell!"
sr. member
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I just wanted to point out that government crackdowns will only drive adoption.

The crackdown on Napster resulted in?  Bittorrent.

The crackdown on e-gold resulted in? Bitcoin, Voucher-Safe, Open-Transactions...

"The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
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Look at the actions of elected officials.

They create a separate retirement system for themselves.
They exempt themselves from our socialized medical system.
They have armed guards.

The power is always in the peoples hands?

Yes. Because you have equal ability to participate in the government, and should you choose not to run yourself, you have the power to vote the politicians who support those things in and out of office.

How can anyone say we have the ability to vote anyone out when a candidate can get 112% of the votes in a precint and no one goes to jail. Or when these politicians we suposidly elected fight every attempt to have everyone prove they are who they say they are, before voting.
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did I say summary?
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
I was looking for details not repetition.

a detailed dumbed down summary?
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I was looking for details not repetition.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
good, when your done reading dumb it down for the rest of us.

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... a P2P price/trade discovery messaging mechanism married to a decentralised clearing/settlement system ...

.... shall I link to a dictionary for words of more than 2-3 syllables or you can take it from here?
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good, when your done reading dumb it down for the rest of us.
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order in numbers

check it. Is it just me or is this finally an implementable p2p exchange protocol?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212490.0;all

It would be more correctly described as P2P price/trade discovery messaging mechanism married to a decentralised clearing/settlement system ... but basically, yes.


I'm still researching the nitty gritty details, but this seems like it could be what we've been waiting/looking for. Currently reading up on SEPA.
legendary
Activity: 3920
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Eadem mutata resurgo

check it. Is it just me or is this finally an implementable p2p exchange protocol?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212490.0;all

It would be more correctly described as P2P price/trade discovery messaging mechanism married to a decentralised clearing/settlement system ... but basically, yes.
full member
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order in numbers

check it. Is it just me or is this finally an implementable p2p exchange protocol?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=212490.0;all
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America, land of the free

Don't forget the deregulation of the Financial industry which bankers lobbied for starting with the Clinton Administration and through the Bush administration.   When they merged commercial and investment banking, nullifying the Glass-Steagall Act, that is when the subprime mortgages started.  Traditional mortgages used to be  backed by deposits; but the new subprime mortages were backed by leveraged financial instruments.  Subprime mortages were much more profitable for banks than the traditional mortgages that is why they pushed them.

Then when the shit hit the fan in 2008, the profits were capitalized and the loss was socialized.  Taxpayers paying for the dumb mistakes the bankers made.  And we are still paying for them.   Who are the dumb asses - us or them?

The worst part is that very little has been done to solve the problem since the crash.  We desperately need to reregulate the financial industry so that this doesn't happen again, but I really dont see that happening, unfortunately.
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If the exchanges followed all of the laws and regulations, then there wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.  

This is what happens when people believe that they are above the law.

Don't forget the deregulation of the Financial industry which bankers lobbied for starting with the Clinton Administration and through the Bush administration.   When they merged commercial and investment banking, nullifying the Glass-Steagall Act, that is when the subprime mortgages started.  Traditional mortgages used to be  backed by deposits; but the new subprime mortages were backed by leveraged financial instruments (CDOs  - Collateralized Debt Obligations).  Subprime mortages were much more profitable for banks than the traditional mortgages that is why they pushed them.

Then when the shit hit the fan in 2008, the profits were capitalized and the loss was socialized.  Taxpayers paying for the dumb mistakes the bankers made.  And we are still paying for them.   Who are the dumb asses - us or them?   My point is, this is what got us in the trouble in the first place
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Google/YouTube
More like the government is being killed by Bitcoin and noone seems to care

Ha, true.
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More like the government is being killed by Bitcoin and noone seems to care
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If you consider mundane subjects such as killing millions of people in wars, subsidizing GMO crops, poising water with fluoride, debasing the currency, and raiding people producing fresh milk, legalizing torture to be any different than raping your wife... I would like to know how.  Your wife is one person and she doesn't die... millions are starving or being killed as a result of people voting and 'complying' with the result.

No, I will not comply I will ignore and evade and undermine the result of the vote when ever it is in my interest to do so.

 

Huh? Fluoridation of your water supply is handled on a state level (assuming you are based in the USA), so if you disagree with it then feel free to talk to your local politicians for your state. And as said earlier, if you do not like all your politicians, feel free to run for a state position yourself. The only thing blocking you is if the majority of the states population agrees with you or not. There was a town that was mentioned on Arstechnica lately that was able to get rid of fluoridation of their water supply. Also, fluoridation has been proven time and time again to be very effective when in the water supply and done correctly, and in the USA it is done very well. Heck, it is even considered by some to be one of the best medical advancements of this century! Also, if you don't like it, feel free to get a water filter for ten bucks.

Subsidizing GMO crops is not a bad thing. It encourages further research for GMO's crops so the yield increases and therefore food would become cheaper, more accessible, and easier to grow. Though, how Monsanto handles GMO's is quite horrific, so I somewhat partially agree with your there.

Debasing the currency is a long and hard discussion. I don't want to get into that on a forum where this has been talked about over and over again, often times with misinformation on both sides.

Raiding people producing fresh milk, that I have no clue what you are talking about. Selling milk which you produce yourself is very illegal, as it should be without any sort of license.

You should know fully well that equating actions with a users wife getting raped is a very flawed and messed up way to get any argument across. Millions are not dying due to voting and complying with the result, I haven't got a faintest clue how you are getting that. People vote in for someone they wish to represent them, and those people who represent them handle how the government should handle and do things. If you do not like how they are doing things, either impeach them, vote for someone else the next time, get the public to show that they disagree with the recent action, or run yourself for office.
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Google/YouTube
legendary
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If you consider mundane subjects such as killing millions of people in wars, subsidizing GMO crops, poising water with fluoride, debasing the currency, and raiding people producing fresh milk, legalizing torture to be any different than raping your wife... I would like to know how.  Your wife is one person and she doesn't die... millions are starving or being killed as a result of people voting and 'complying' with the result.

No, I will not comply I will ignore and evade and undermine the result of the vote when ever it is in my interest to do so.

 

Oh the heartfelt emotions! 

Well I also ignore laws that go against my interests.  Everyone does.  That doesn't make you special.


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fractally
If you consider mundane subjects such as killing millions of people in wars, subsidizing GMO crops, poising water with fluoride, debasing the currency, and raiding people producing fresh milk, legalizing torture to be any different than raping your wife... I would like to know how.  Your wife is one person and she doesn't die... millions are starving or being killed as a result of people voting and 'complying' with the result.

No, I will not comply I will ignore and evade and undermine the result of the vote when ever it is in my interest to do so.

 
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