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August 21, 2013, 12:29:52 PM

Thanks for making me aware of that.

Their ideas for shrinking the blockchain are very similar to what I (independently) proposed upthread.

Also their instant transaction confirmations ("0-confirmation transactions") is similar to what I (independently) proposed upthread.

So yes all of that will be implemented in my altcoin.

I appreciate that they link to a stable Java Bitcoin implementation. That will be a useful starting point for me.
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August 21, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
A question I had in mind since yesterday without reading the blog in depth - about the hard disk mining thing, what about memristors? How can they affect it??

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2575106
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2448160
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August 19, 2013, 10:48:46 AM
Long term any cryptocoin will need P2P exchange features INTEGRATED, something like Ripple but without it's known issues (centralization, distribution of wealth, eponymity etc).

There is a lot of talk in the forum but what I discovered lately seems very promising to me:
http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/p2ptradex-back-from-the-future/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/p2ptradex-p2p-trading-between-cryptocurrencies-91843

He is the same guy behind this:
http://certimix.com/products/

Cheers

EDIT: http://qixcoin.com/
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August 19, 2013, 08:18:49 AM
A question I had in mind since yesterday without reading the blog in depth - about the hard disk mining thing, what about memristors? How can they affect it??
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August 17, 2013, 08:21:13 PM
Watching!
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August 16, 2013, 05:02:46 AM

Changing the proof of work to be asic hostile should be a non-starter, it's doomed to failure by it's very design. Nobody can design any digital process that cannot be accelerated by application specific processes. If you fix the proof of work process then someone is able to design an fpga or asic to follow that process.

Hmmm...(I had been thinking about this point already)

However perhaps we can shift the balance in favor of rewarding large quantity of RAM, so general purpose computers are on a more level playing field. If we can shift the time component to the performance of RAM and away from the CPU, then perhaps we defeat ASICs economically.

I just don't know yet if it is possible to make the random lookup the largest time component of the calculation. I will study more.

May want to stay within the CPUs local cache since it is highest-speed, or a combination of local cache and large RAM bound. Need to look at details of the economics.

Scrypt does what I wrote in bold above:

http://www.tarsnap.com/scrypt.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrypt

Litecoin's use of Scrypt is currently more efficient on GPUs, but I propose a fix. Details at the following links:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2944298
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2940005
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2949778
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August 14, 2013, 10:15:04 PM
everything is yet to come

You got that part correct...

Remember it was Kissinger who said there would be “blue hats” on USA soil.

The constitution is dead. Why do you think I am working on a better Bitcoin! There is only one way to beat the dying of the global empire and that is to starve the dying socialism of capital (taxes). Gold coins won't be a solution, because they can't move globally and electronically (without a centralized party which can be attacked by govt), thus monetary velocity would collapse.

See the UN Dept for Disarmament Affairs document from Aug 5, 2013:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/14/un-office-for-disarmament-affairs-including-americans/


Re: Armstrong fooled by "UN" document?


And you trust the Tamba Bay Times mainstream media?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/aug/12/un-coming-take-your-guns/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/aug/12/chain-email/united-nations-document-shared-social-media-says-c/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/staff/louis-jacobson/

Of course they denied the NSA was doing what Edward Snowden has now proven they are doing.

Armstrong has said he never publishes something as fact without good sources.

How does the Tamba Bay Times get to consult with the UN assistant to secretary?
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August 14, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
what are you talking about, dont you  talk about bitcoin biger then it is.
bitcoin is still is an infant
everything is yet to come
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August 14, 2013, 07:03:47 PM
I should keep an eye out for the possibility that Europe could bounce until 2014.675. I need to search for facts that can tell me how long this bounce is likely to last. I don't want to be too early again, as I was on China last July 2012.

As I've been expecting, looks like we will get that a deadcat bounce in capital fleeing Europe and developing markets into the USA, which may put a temporarily top on the USA equities. Safe haven bond yields in Europe are increasing (exodus from safe havens) and US Treasury yields are declining (from recent dramatic rise) which is a combination of capital coming out of USA equities taking a breather, capital coming out of safe haven European bonds, and lower PPI placing doubt on Fed's Sept. taper.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/14/markets-usa-bonds-idUSL2N0GF0OJ20130814

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-13/germany-s-bonds-fall-for-second-day-before-zew-sentiment-report.html

China and Europe are both posting deadcat bounces from their declines.

Europe's bounce is all confidences increases and more debt caused by a strong Euro, very low interest rates in the safe haven countries (my Belgium friend says he can borrow 5000 Euros any time and pay 230 per month), and increased government spending.

http://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/french-gdp-soundly-beats-expectations-572561113

http://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/euro-area-businesses-upbeat-economy-59627692

A chart shows it is just one of those bounces in a persistent decline since 2009:

http://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/french-production-contracts-sharply-gdp-should-rise-anyway-1352928205

And the big picture is still weak:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/14/eurozone-recession-germany-france-crisis

But the most important datum is what likely caused strong Euro, how about $1.7 trillion dollars being converted to Euros by the USA Fed!

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/tag/french-debt-174-of-gdp/

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€4 trillion hole in the EU banking system

US Fed ships €1.3 trillion of prop-up money into eurozone

French debt is 174% of gdp

in July this year alone the US Fed deposited some €1.3 trillion in unspecified "European banks".

So the Fed is blowing another bubble in the Euro and Europe, which provides a temporary deadcat bounce, but what happens when this €1.3 trillion flees a renewed crashing Europe back to chase yield in the USA markets (either directly or via leverage as it allows Europeans to continue to borrow and access their deposits longer).

Aug. 7 was clearly the turning point where Europe has committed to crash and burn (with the help of the Fed pushing European confidence falsely up to increase debt levels on what is already an insanely insolvent Europe), and first we get a deadcat bounce through the September elections at least.

They likely did this to help get Merkel through the September elections in Germany.

So we should get that deadcat dip in the US equities now, until the above manipulation by the Fed works its way through the system.

Then rockets up on US equities and further collapse for and exodus of capital from Europe and developing markets. The fundamentals all over the world are that debt is increasing but marginal-utility-of-debt has gone negative globally, thus confidence bounces are volatilty noise and the trend is spiraling the toilet bowl, with the US dollar at the center of the vortex sucking everything until it collapses on itself.

Then and only then, will gold make new highs:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/14/gold-outlook/

Remember on Exter's Inverted Pyramid, that US federal reserve notes are at the bottom just above gold. Patience goldbugs, patience...
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August 14, 2013, 06:21:13 AM
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/bitcoin-money-just-terrible-205752180.html

It won't be difficult to buy Bitcoins, but the government will know who owns which Bitcoins, due to the need to provide ID at the exchange and Europe will soon require this too as the USA and Canada already do. Later the government can "clawback" (as was done in the MF Global case to those who withdrew before the fiasco!) all those who moved money out of bank accounts and confiscate Bitcoins, including pressuring every person downchain to reveal who they spent to.

  • Distribution of dead coins: Why the complexity of distributing them? Just destroy them. Oh yeah, Bitcoin ceases creating new coins after 2033 thus destroyed coins don't get replaced, which is another weakness because mining is the only way to get true anonymity.
  • Forced mixing of coins with Zerocoin: Even with true anonymity, Zerocoin on first glance appeared to be useful because some people may give up anonymity on some purchases and so don't want to link back to their other anonymous coins. But the whole Zerocoin thing against the government falls apart because if your identity is known on either side, the authorities can compel you to reveal the links forward or backward. The only anonymity is true anonymity! Zerocoin is useless against the government. Zerocoin might have other utility against traffic analysis by the private sector which doesn't have this power to compel, and for this applicability there is no problem if the people who use Zerocoin are not mixed with people who don't need to use it.

Note I think Zerocoin would still be useful to break block chain analysis, even if one has perfect anonymity.
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August 14, 2013, 05:52:30 AM
Ultra-high valuations of single BTC ignore the fact that the very large Bitcoin-denominated economy needed to sustain such a price could exist only by reducing the size of USD-denominated economies. Such evaluations don't take into account deprecation of the USD in response to lower demand for traditional currencies.

Thanks for making the point, but I think the high valuations are based on the same quantity of goods & services still being transacted in the economy and Bitcoin taking a larger share of that economy. So those high valuations reflect the relative rise in purchasing power.

However this (extreme valuation result) points to another flaw in Bitcoin, which is that only 21 million coins will ever be mined. Thus Bitcoin would crash the global economy (if it gained dominant share) as I explained already:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2881311
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2892394

A fixed alternative to Bitcoin needs to have a persistent 5% per annum debasement in order to maximize economic growth and fairly balance the return of Bitcoin savers vs. business investors:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2895021
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August 13, 2013, 05:53:30 PM
Ultra-high valuations of single BTC ignore the fact that the very large Bitcoin-denominated economy needed to sustain such a price could exist only by reducing the size of USD-denominated economies. Such evaluations don't take into account deprecation of the USD in response to lower demand for traditional currencies.
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August 13, 2013, 04:42:34 PM
http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-416

Quote from: zeehan
I’m pretty sure China is going down, and that it will prompt a major economic collapse in SE Asia too. SE Asia is currently in its biggest boom ever, from what I can see, from Singapore to Malaysia to Indonesia to Thailand to Cambodia to Laos etc. giant condo projects are announced every few days and sell out tp speculators in a weekend. Thai guys are buying shiny new pickup trucks at a rate that would make an Alabama redneck scratch his ears. New Range Rovers and Hummers almost outnumber the beggars in downtown Phnom Penh. All of SE Asia is on steroids. Most of the reason is China and central bank money-printing worldwide.

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-434

I was reading the Philippines Inquirer news section on some days earlier this year, and nearly every time I read about some bond issue by a corporation denominated in dollars (e.g. MegaWorld, Ayala Land, San Miquel, etc). My hypothesis is that QE sat at the Fed but it raised the reserves of the banks allowing them to loan out more money, but this doesn't show up in Western credit increases rather somehow the loans are ending up in the developing world. Or it could just be investors seeking higher yield due ZIRP in the West. I read from Martin Armstrong that this was going on in Latin America too.

But now the Great Rotation has started and capital is rushing back into the dollar, USA housing, USA equities, and as this drive USA interest rates higher, then it has a spiraling upwards feedback because potential home buyers rush to lock in the rates before the rise more, international investors (escaping coming capital controls in Europe and depreciating Yen due Abeconomics) rush to grab higher rates with an appreciating dollar, and domestic investors jump on the bandwagon (noticing that the recovery in equities since the 2008 crash is now more than just a recovery given new all-time highs).

This rotation is also pushed by declining GDP in China, Europe, and thus rest of the developing world which feeds commodities and manufacturing inputs (notice a deadcat bounce in copper, gold, and stall in USA equities since China released better data past week).

This rotation thus reveals the developing world is short the dollar (they owe dollars) while their currencies decline relative to the dollar due to this shift in capital flows. This will bring the developing world to its knees between now and the end of 2015, while the USA non-bond (except high yield) assets and dollar will be skyrocketing. Yet simultaneously this rise in USA interest rates and dollar will be choking the real economy (along with Obamacare tax rises coming 2014 and plans for more increases), thus in 2016 we will likely see the USA economy roll over, as Europe, Japan, and the developing world will likely already be sinking into the abyss by 2015 (c.f. my upthread post on the net liabilities of Germany, France, USA, and UK greater than the PIIGS although this is hidden in accounting gimmicks, also German and French banks are bankrupt, again hidden in accounting gymnastics).

Michael offered his calculations on China in an email to Mish Shedlock. The problem is those calculations don't factor in a 30 - 50% contraction (contagion) in global trade.

Face it, the world is bankrupt financially (maybe not in human and real capital in the countries with much youth but the write-down can be chaotic). Fasten your seat belts. Giant Portobello ahead.

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-437

Armstrong's ECM (Economic Confidence Model) is global (and based on time multiples of Pi, i.e. 224 yrs ≈ 78 yrs x 3.1459, 78 yrs ≈ 26 yrs x 3.1459, 26 yrs ≈ 8.6 yrs x 3.1459, 8.6 yrs ≈ 1000 x 3.1459 days) and it expected the turn downward and shift of exodus capital flows to accelerate Aug 7, 2013. Right on time on Aug 7, Europe decided that depositors will only be able to withdraw 100 Euros per day when a bank is bailed-in. Imagine the collapse in monetary velocity thus GDP upon widepread bail-ins. I've read that banks' trading losses have priority in bankruptcy ahead of bank investors and depositors.

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-438

Armstrong arrived at this ECM model with the scientific method by back testing the hypothesis to all recorded history (even spending $100 million to obtain the data and build the computer model) and then to the future, and has been more accurate than any other forecaster. I have not been able to find one forecast from him since the 1980s that didn't come true. Predicted the Sept 2000 market top, Nov 2002 market bottom, January 1st, 2005 yearly high for the NASDAQ to exact day in document that was published in 1997 which also predicted the 2007 market top and earlier had predicted the upturn in commodities in 1977. Predicted back in Jan. 2012 that gold would decline from $1600 to below $1200 before 2015 even while everyone was screaming he was nuts. This year he was writing a blog every few days shouting that gold was going to fall. The goldbugs hated him. He predicted the top in gold in 1980. He predicted the crash of 1987 (to the day!) and that bull market in Japan would continue until end 1989. His model predicted an event something like 9/11 would happen, etc, etc, etc..

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-439

Clif Droke wrote an article challenging the Great Rotation based on the Kondratieff wave, while explaining why the divergences in the USA equities are largely an exodus from low yield muni-bond funds. Thus the net capital ingress is much higher than he realizes as it is obscured by an egress which is funding the ingress. Kondratieff only used data from when the economy was primarily agarian and thus commodities. Unlike Armstrong who gathered data from 10,000 B.C. until now, the Kondratieff wave is only valid for commodities and thus yes gold won't likely bottom until 2014 (under $1050). Yet the ECM model sees the DJIA doubling (after a dip now due to deadcat bounce in China) by 2015.75.

I know this blog is not about speculation predictions, yet what I am writing about here is the model for the unraveling dominoes order of the coming global contagion, i.e. the international capital flows. Herbert Hoover wrote about the Great Depression, it was as if capital where chairs on the deck of the Titantic, rushing from side-to-side of the global economy unable to find a safe haven and real growth. This is what happens with ZIRP and sovereign debt end game all through out history. This pattern repeats as Michael wrote in his blog about "Globalization". The ECM quantifies the timing of the (business, political, technology) cycles.

Why does energy transfer in waves and why does human action occur in waves (i.e. cycles)? Michael possesses a physics background so he can readily appreciate inertia, acceleration and force. For example, if you push on a twig then you increase the force until it breaks. If you put too much force on a thick enough twig, you fall down as it breaks and your inertia pulls you forward. Then you recoil, i.e. a wave. Everything in the universe has an inertia, including every human and thus human action. My blog is linked on my name and I wrote more about this in The Universe.
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August 12, 2013, 02:47:49 AM
http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-395

1) I provided a link upthread about telcom monopolies give us slow internet in the USA. Regulation has multiplied and now touches every small business, as explained in the link I provided. Indeed, the New Deal launched many of the programs we have today, but now the programs are pathological, e.g. you can't build on your land because the federal government makes some environmental ruling about an insect or otherwise comes to steal your rural land. Google "sheriff stops federal government" and there is a lot more in that rabbit hole than I care to detail here.

2) The low property tax percentages (you've got state + local schools, etc) are mostly if you live far from civilization where the opportunities for employment are much less. And either property taxes and/or sales taxes will be skyrocketing because the state and local governments are under severe financial stress which will get worse (the demographics of the USA are not improving any time soon, and many retirements to pay).

3) In the 1950s, nearly no one paid capital gains, mostly only corporations. Now a significant percent of the population are investors, e.g. their 401k plan, etc.. I already provided a link in prior comment that capital gains is increasing from 15% to 18.8% under Obamacare, and dividends are no longer taxed as capital gains rather as income where the top rate is increasing from 33% to 35%. In 1950s, dividends were not taxed as income. Note capital gains on gold is taxed at 28% and you are going to need gold to maintain your net worth after 2016.

4) You fail to assimilate that most Americans weren't paying much tax back then. Did you just ignore the data in the link I provided as quoted below?

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Federal Tax Rates up 1,250% for Families of 4
This chart compares the federal income tax rate for 1994 with that of 1948 for a family of 4 at median income level. (data: Family Research Council, reported October 1996 by presidential candidate Steve Forbes, Impris)

The tax rate has jumped from 2% to 25% - - an increase in tax rates of 1,250%.

Nearly no one paid the top bracket income tax rates in the 1950s. There wasn't an Alternative Minimum Tax as we have now at 20%, so used loopholes to avoid paying any tax. And the middle class was only paying 2%.

Also the regressive sales taxes we have today were progressive back then, meaning again that most people didn't pay them (or the top rate). And the highest rate I've found is 3% with most at 2% or less (and most weren't even paying that) and some locales have over 10% now.

Although it is true that we have a huge underbelly that pays no tax (used to support leftist arguments that taxes are low), that socialism is exactly what it going to tax the middle class into extinction over the next decade as the fiscal situation deteriorates as more boomers retire and interest rates rise.

When Reagan lowered taxes, they also closed many of the loopholes and deductions that were available to the middle class.

A google search for "Hauser’s law" brings up a relevant historical chart showing that those top tax brackets in the 1950s weren't being paid.
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August 11, 2013, 10:45:55 PM
http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-339

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@Shelby: The tax rate in the US hasn’t gone up, it’s gone down. In the 1950′s the top end rate was 90% and the middle class had high tax rates too. And besides, Rome turned into an oppressive empire and still lasted for 400 years. I’m really not seeing much evidence to support your conclusion. Also like I said, declinist rhetoric is nothing new.

Sorry, you couldn't have been more wrong.

I was including Europe, which has insanely high rates of taxation.

USA income and capital gains taxes are on the way back up (and that doesn't include that caps on FICA do not adjust higher as fast as true inflation), the investment tax and regulation costs (hidden tax) in Obamacare starts next year, and Obama wants more. Property taxes so high, you can't own your house (property taxes were minuscule in the 1950s). There are many hidden taxes due to regulation that did not exist in the 1950s. There has been a 1250% increase in taxation for a family of 4 since 1948.

Pottery records indicate that production continued to increase into 5th century, but then the rate of clearing and expedient farming methods to keep up with the tax and debt reached the point where soils collapsed, irrigation was polluted, and the economy collapsed. We will know the true condition of the USA when interest rates rise several percentage points (by 2016) and then eventually to double-digits. Don't forget a $quadrillion in interest rate swap derivatives, and those have been moved in front of bond holders and depositors when bankruptcy hits. Note the Fed is privately telling banks there will be no more bailouts. Ditto Europe is preparing for bail-ins, over $100,000 is gone (and if you take it out now there will be clawbacks), and under $100,000 will be limited to 100-200 euros withdrawal per day. After that reduction in money velocity crashes Europe, they will have to make the capital controls even more severe.
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August 09, 2013, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: anonymous
Shelby wrote: "The printing is given to those who mine the Bitcoin."

This is the same as instituting a net worth tax on holders of Bitcoin, and making a top-down decision to give the proceeds to workers who sign up to build a bridge to nowhere.

No it is not. Top-down is never the same result as free market decentralized, c.f. my prior link to Some Iron Laws of Political Economics.

If I ignore your future posts, you know why.

Quote from: anonymous
It is essentially free to create new Bitcoins. This plan would be a grossly wasteful boondoggle, as shown below.

Absolutely not, the difficulty scales to the ROI on the hardware and electricity.

Quote from: anonymous
The cost of maintaining Bitcoin, which is currently paid for by issuing new Bitcoins, is a separate issue. Those maintaining Bitcoin were initially paid well in order to get more Bitcoins into the system. The issuance of new Bitcoin is set to expire.

Expiration of the 5% debasement needed by economic growth is a big mistake and is why I will be making a better Bitcoin. See my posts upthread.

I probably won't reply to you again, because you have so many misconceptions and I am lacking time. No personal insult intended.

Quote from: anonymous
In a competitive environment the cost of maintaining Bitcoin is negligible,

False. We need ever higher difficulty to prevent a 51% attack.

Quote from: anonymous
so the amount of new Bitcoin paid for this maintenance after the expiration date will be so tiny as to not even be considered new issuance, and certainly not enough to provide stimulus to the economy-- I would say that paying 5% of the entire economy, each year, to the people maintaining Bitcoin, would be the ultimate government bridge to nowhere.

We've got to have 5% debasement, else you can't get 5% growth over the long-term trend.

Who else is going to manage that distribution better? Again see the Some Iron Laws of Political Economics.

Quote from: anonymous
While just spending the money on anything, or giving it away as charity would stimulate the economy, how about using it to boost decentralized risk-takers in their ability to fund the brightest and best projects, as mentioned in my prior post?

Socialism already failed every time. Sorry.
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August 09, 2013, 09:32:01 PM
http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-304

Quote from: Michael Pettis
Shelby, the US was the dominant technological and economic power both overall and on a per capita basis by the 1870s, and the US had the highest wages in the world for nearly all of the 19th Century. By the end of the Civil War German officers watching the war already saw the US as the dominant military power. I am not sure why you do not think this happened until the 1950s.

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-329

New York did not become the financial capital of the world until after WW2. As you know, this was because Europe imploded and capital fled to the new frontier. The Florida land bubbles were caused by gold fleeing Europe into the USA. The same is about to happen to the USA going to Asia circa 2033, but first we have one last hurrah for the dollar as the emerging markets are short the dollar (either bond issues or China's dependence on exports) and capital will rush back to the core economy as global socialism implodes (again, which is what caused prior world wars).

Note the Asian crisis at the turn of the 21st century was caused by capital rushing back to Europe for the launch of Euro (and we see how that speculative capital flow into PIIGS ended up now).

Although Asia is not #1 per capita, they have several times more population. And if valued on a PPP basis including TRUE health care and social services costs NOT SHIFTED INTO THE FUTURE BY BEING OFF BALANCE ENTRIES, then Asia is already ahead of the West in aggregate (perhaps not per capita but we really don't know until the write-downs come). One can argue that Asia will have to pay for their elderly one day, but that is not a significant balance sheet item now or anytime in next few decades. The Japanese throw their 50+ off the job bus.

The USA was importing immigrant labor so labor was not in oversupply as is the case in Asia. So we shouldn't be comparing wages, rather social balance sheets (c.f. Michael's astute blog about "social capital").

Again my theme has been that socialism's peak also corresponds to some massive technologically induced unemployment in the former dominant economies (this corresponds every 78 years to the collapse of real estate in the dominant economies), e.g. the factories disrupting cottage industry going into the 20th century and now computers and internet with outsourcing, robotics, automation (even accounting and POS system integration, etc).

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http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-305

Quote from: Michael Pettis
Perhaps more importantly there has probably never been a “hand-off” in history, and certainly not in modern times, from a more open society to a more closed one. I don’t think this is a coincidence.

http://blog.mpettis.com/2013/08/the-changing-debate-over-chinas-economy/#comment-333

Didn't verify so I will take your word for it. And indeed this is why I had been bearish on China, because I didn't see how it could become more open without a complete change of political and philosophical culture. I even criticized their top-down educational culture, population-wide (cultural) disregard for intellectual properties rights, etc..

Then Armstrong made some valid points that shocked me-- points we all probably know but didn't bring to our conscious mind yet (i.e. cognitive dissonance).

1. The West is less open. Shocking but true. We have the illusion of free speech, but in the Wallstreet protests they just arrest you for stepping on the grass. A recent news story reveals anti-terrorism forces are showing up at individual homes 100 times per day, e.g. a husband did an internet search for "backpack" and the wife searched for "pressure cookers". Consider the relative level of regulation and government share of GDP. Even California has made it a criminal offense not to comply with Obamacare.

2. Some claims the Chinese don't have true private land ownership (the man who blocked a highway disagrees), yet in the USA we don't own our house.

And I add my own point:

3. Although we can view Asia as top-down managed, in reality there is massive choice and competition, but as a Westerner you might not see it because you expect it to take the same forms you know at home. Some claim that China doesn't have private health care, but I bet they have ubiquity of private folk medicine-- there is a "quack doctor" in every community in the Philippines. James White wrote about this w.r.t. to manufacturing diversity, and alibaba.com is evidence of that. In the Philippines I can choose from three (or five) nationwide PREPAID cell phone networks (so I need at least a dual-simm phone) meaning I can buy a new simm in 30 seconds have a new number. In the west, you nearly have to give a blood sample to get a phone number and USA has much slower internet because of telcom monopolies. The list goes on and on...

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Its depressing that the world is moving to a lower common denominator of liberty, with Asia's top-down systems as the best we have to look forward to, but actually what appears to be happening from my perspective is we are moving to anarcho-capitalism where an alternative Bitcoin will make it nearly impossible for the nation-states to tax and spend. The frontier of freedom appears to be on the digital highway. There is actually technology for all of this, e.g. Chaum's high-latency mix-net, dc-net, OTR, and the Socialist Millionaire algorithm.
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August 09, 2013, 06:58:47 PM
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/09/what-can-we-do/

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/09/email-service-used-by-snowden-shuts-itself-down-warns-against-using-us-based-companies/

I suspect he may be reading my emails, because he nearly copied some of my recent statements verbatim:

That decentralized inflation is not bad:

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Pretending money must be tangible like gold and calling for the Fed to be leveled and eliminating derivatives and reserve banking are ideas that would destroy society on a wholesale basis. They are impractical.

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All of these rantings are based upon a single notion – control of the money supply.


On how empires end with police state and not hyperinflation:

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This is the typical reaction that always takes place in the end times for every empire, nation, and city state in history.

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Those who think you can buy gold coins to survive had better realize that unless you are paying cash where there are no surveillance cameras, chances are they know you have the gold and view that as someone who disagrees with their power.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/09/is-hyperinflation-associated-only-with-revolutionary-new-governments/

A direct quote of my "to a hammer everything is a nail" statement I have made 3 times recently:

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if you are dependent upon selling that product or commodity, then it is as if you only have a hammer and everything appears to be a nail.

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To be precise, hyperinflation takes place when there is a collapse in confidence that supports a government so it can be an established government such as in South America. The key is the currency is not accepted by the people. That comes FIRST and then we see that they print more and more following the trend and propelling it. This is the chicken or egg dilemma. It is not the REVERSE that the supply increases and that causes the currency to decline as characterized by the gold promoters.

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Money never becomes worthless in a major core society for if the core were to collapse then everything else must fall as well.

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Human nature does not change with time. It remains consistent and this is why history repeats. With the fall of Rome, the invading barbarians wanted to be Roman. Their rulers initially issued coins merely pretending to be the emperor.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/08/pakistan-bans-gold-imports/

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When the economy turns down in 2016, the demand for gold will rise again. We must realize that governments are also likely to target gold for taxation and confiscation between 2016 and 2020.


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/09/crime-is-also-rising-in-europe-among-the-youth-solution-more-police-restore-border-checks-not-lower-taxes-to-create-jobs/

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Hiring police has been rising, but at the same time there are those who are arguing it was the removal of borders in Europe that fueled criminal operations. The theory is that police are confined to the locality whereas the criminals are not. So the unemployed youth in the south move north to plunder. Ironically, instead of looking at the high taxes destroying job creation, they want a FBI of Europe and border controls restored. They always see this as they need more power to correct the trend rather than the possibility that they are causing the trend.


My point about demographics is the key distinction for the west:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/08/08/the-next-generation-pensions-r-vanishing-why-the-dow-may-yet-double/
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