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Quote from: Dotakels on June 13, 2015, 12:34:00 AM

But it still the value of the bitcoin, take note value and price are not the same. Value is the importance of bitcoin and the price is how much bitcoin is . So you mean say that they want a high price, if they want a high price they should wait for that time.

Price and value are not the same, but if there is a full-fledged market where the process of finding price occurs, the notion of value becomes virtually irrelevant (as far as traders and investors are concerned, of course), since in that case price would follow value with high fidelity...

but they misunderstood it . So that they leaved without knowing the truth. And they loss the coins that they can earn and also the they miss the time when the price of bitcoin are high.

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Quote from: knowhow on June 13, 2015, 07:31:11 PM

the thing is to be wise and enter on the right time on the market,put some buy orders and wait to complete and must pay attencion... can buy it now and hold for 4 months ,expecting price to go up

There is a slight difference between trading and "holding / investment " (call it whatever you want) because it is not in the nature of traders to hold for months when they could make a slight profit instantly. Also that , "expecting" price to go up is pretty much taking a blind bet and trader isnt the same as gambler unless you are inexperienced on it because most trader dont do a "blind bet".

Nevertheless, it is actually a one way around to another because each time a trader profitted from trading that means there also a trader that lost on his trade

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Quote from: Dotakels on June 13, 2015, 12:34:00 AM

But it still the value of the bitcoin, take note value and price are not the same. Value is the importance of bitcoin and the price is how much bitcoin is . So you mean say that they want a high price, if they want a high price they should wait for that time.

Price and value are not the same, but if there is a full-fledged market where the process of finding price occurs, the notion of value becomes virtually irrelevant (as far as traders and investors are concerned, of course), since in that case price would follow value with high fidelity...

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Quote from: knowhow on June 13, 2015, 07:31:11 PM

the thing is to be wise and enter on the right time on the market,put some buy orders and wait to complete and must pay attencion... can buy it now and hold for 4 months ,expecting price to go up

it's better to do it with stock or forex, opening a position and closing it it is much simple thna opening an order, you can close your position fast enough and take a small profit where with opening an order you are more susceptible to the market movments

i suggest to use bitcoin for trading with cfd, with plus500 or 1broker, there are others platform, but I do not feel very comfortable using them

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the thing is to be wise and enter on the right time on the market,put some buy orders and wait to complete and must pay attencion... can buy it now and hold for 4 months ,expecting price to go up

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Quote from: freeyourmind on June 12, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 08, 2015, 10:16:27 AM

To be honest, marketcap has less thing to do with trading anyway. It is not about the marketcap will grow few years later or the value will increase after the halving or whatsoever but it is about the movement of the price, the fluctuation of each price .

Even if BTC value were to fall into 1 cent / BTC if there is still a movement in this then BTC is worth to be used for trading , however even if we see $1000 / BTC but if the value is constant without any movement at all then it cant be traded at all (unless someone or few people manipulate it to make it looks fluctuative)

But if the value of bitcoin will drop in cents. Many users will not using bitcoin because of its value and many will disappoint when its happened.

It is not about the value or the usage of BTC to begin with. It doesnt actually important in trading, whats important is the movement of it and that is where trader got its profit and not about millions of people to use it. Of course it will be useless for trader if there isnt any movement eventhough millions of people use it or the mass adoption is happening though

Why would you not want to use it if the value were to fall into cents (which is unlikely) ? The feature as well as the technology stays the same even if the value gonna drop in the future anyway. BTC is still BTC despite the value drop or crash but ofcourse most people will jump out of the sinking ship

But if you will notice that people want more money and they not contended on what they have or how much they can earn. They want more and they don't like a small value for a long time.

Ofcourse having a higher value will benefit trader more and would attract more people into it which in this case every movement would net a higher profit for traderif you would compare it to cents but my point would be that even if the value were to drop, the technology stands.
The reality is that most people are only tied to its value, when the value drop then most people will assume that it is dead .Most people are not even aware of this but the true value of BTC were in its technology and also its decentralized principle

Yeah you can say that the value of bitcoin is low but if you keep it from your wallet and wait the value of bitcoin will go high so that you can't say that bitcoin is dead or its worthless

I think arallmuus is saying that it's the volatility in the price that attracts traders. Investors in bitcoin may want more value and a higher price, but I would think traders are just making a bet on the direction the price is going to go in the future.

But it still the value of the bitcoin, take note value and price are not the same. Value is the importance of bitcoin and the price is how much bitcoin is . So you mean say that they want a high price, if they want a high price they should wait for that time.

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Quote from: Redones on May 12, 2015, 02:01:00 AM

I'm starting trading with bitcoins a couple of month already i buy low and sell high but really i wanna know if there are any strategies or equations to follow to know which time is perfect to buy or sell or which is not and so on ......

I think you create on wrong section
More trader discussion in here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=8.0

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well make plans for the future isnt for sure gambling or a bet the thing is you must worry atleast a little on the tomorrow.... you need to eat drink take a shower go work... or just to eat or drink soo its basic to survival.

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Quote from: knowhow on June 12, 2015, 05:02:48 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 04:40:15 PM

Seriously no, you could say that most trader are gamblers as well but the fact it isnt. Trader do "make a bet" about the movement of the value but only if there is a "sign" of the movement which someone could see from several point.
The several crucial will be number of buy and sell order, volume for X hours and also activities from the other exchanger ( it isnt good just to relly on 1 exchangers chart ) also that basically a chartist would be able to pinpoint the rough direction of where the next movement will be which makes trader take action to "bet" on this movement and not just a "blind bet" without knowing where it will go

well about bitcoin worth no one can say where it can go tomorrow or end month
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From your statement, I could know that you are not a trader. Yes "no one could know" is a pretty general statement there and it doesnt stand in trading. If you are delusioning yourself with "no one could know" statement then it is better for you to stay away from trading

It is not about tomorrow anyway. People are called daytrader because they are doing it consecutively in one day, taking positiong now and sell it minutes later for a few cents profit , yes it is few cents profit / BTC but daytrader do rinse and repeat this cycle daily thus this gain them profit.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 04:40:15 PM

Quote from: freeyourmind on June 12, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

I think arallmuus is saying that it's the volatility in the price that attracts traders.

Yes I did and thats the truth. None will be attracted to it if the value is stagnant and there isnt any movement

Quote from: freeyourmind on June 12, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

but I would think traders are just making a bet on the direction the price is going to go in the future.

Seriously no, you could say that most trader are gamblers as well but the fact it isnt. Trader do "make a bet" about the movement of the value but only if there is a "sign" of the movement which someone could see from several point.
The several crucial will be number of buy and sell order, volume for X hours and also activities from the other exchanger ( it isnt good just to relly on 1 exchangers chart ) also that basically a chartist would be able to pinpoint the rough direction of where the next movement will be which makes trader take action to "bet" on this movement and not just a "blind bet" without knowing where it will go

Yeah I wasn't suggesting that there is no due diligence or research behind the bet. I use the word "bet" because there is a certain amount of risk and uncertainty with the choice, while choosing the direction that will make a profit. Some people are great at betting, but it's still a bet.

Everything is risky and uncertain to begin with i.e you are saving your money or buy some stuff in fact that you dont even know that you will be alive tomorrow, so you are taking a bet as well ? No it isnt

P.S : above is just an example that everything is uncertain and trader are not "betting" it is so much different in many aspect between a gambler and a trader

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 04:40:15 PM

Quote from: freeyourmind on June 12, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

I think arallmuus is saying that it's the volatility in the price that attracts traders.

Yes I did and thats the truth. None will be attracted to it if the value is stagnant and there isnt any movement

Quote from: freeyourmind on June 12, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

but I would think traders are just making a bet on the direction the price is going to go in the future.

Seriously no, you could say that most trader are gamblers as well but the fact it isnt. Trader do "make a bet" about the movement of the value but only if there is a "sign" of the movement which someone could see from several point.
The several crucial will be number of buy and sell order, volume for X hours and also activities from the other exchanger ( it isnt good just to relly on 1 exchangers chart ) also that basically a chartist would be able to pinpoint the rough direction of where the next movement will be which makes trader take action to "bet" on this movement and not just a "blind bet" without knowing where it will go

Yeah I wasn't suggesting that there is no due diligence or research behind the bet. I use the word "bet" because there is a certain amount of risk and uncertainty with the choice, while choosing the direction that will make a profit. Some people are great at betting, but it's still a bet.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 04:40:15 PM

Quote from: freeyourmind on June 12, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

I think arallmuus is saying that it's the volatility in the price that attracts traders.

Yes I did and thats the truth. None will be attracted to it if the value is stagnant and there isnt any movement

Quote from: freeyourmind on June 12, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

but I would think traders are just making a bet on the direction the price is going to go in the future.

Seriously no, you could say that most trader are gamblers as well but the fact it isnt. Trader do "make a bet" about the movement of the value but only if there is a "sign" of the movement which someone could see from several point.
The several crucial will be number of buy and sell order, volume for X hours and also activities from the other exchanger ( it isnt good just to relly on 1 exchangers chart ) also that basically a chartist would be able to pinpoint the rough direction of where the next movement will be which makes trader take action to "bet" on this movement and not just a "blind bet" without knowing where it will go

well about bitcoin worth no one can say where it can go tomorrow or end month.... its impossible to know where it will stand ,at the moment the worth can easy raise ,there is a lot interest to bitcoin stays at the values of 250 dollars above it will happen when the fiat money on circle would become more the offer.... this is basic knowledge the buy and offer wall affects the price as the world interest