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Topic: BitcoinOrama Report on the KnCminer/OrSoC Open-day Mon 10/06/13 (Stockholm) (Read 55679 times)

legendary
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my first thread i remember reading @ bitcointalk  Grin
KS
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pull someone else into your web of FUD

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No-  KS is playing the troll at this point...  Many times he has posted misinformation instead of honest concern to try to stay relevant

I bow to your eloquence.  Kiss
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To the people flaming KS and Bitcoinorama:

Cool off, guys. Both are doing their job. It's way better for the community to have them both, than having just one of them or none.

Bitcoinorama is very thorough and did a huge work, but it's true that he might be a little "over-enthusiastic" at times. Well, the truth is that he even would like to work for KnC, he admitted that. But this does not mean that he's dishonest, just that he is a little bit biased.

From the other side KS is playing devil's advocates, raising clever and adequate concerns, cooling off people's hope that turns in "wishful thinking" some times.

TL-DR -> we need them both. Keep up the good job, guys Wink

No-  KS is playing the troll at this point...  Many times he has posted misinformation instead of honest concern to try to stay relevant

Bit late at this point but... quote me posting misinformation please. I don't pretend not to make mistakes, but I've been rather thorough on KNC/KNCMINER/ORSOC (not every bit of info is on this forum). I see bashing and no quoting. I'm busy with more important things ATM, but I'll devote my full attention to these discussions in August.

pull someone else into your web of FUD
KS
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To the people flaming KS and Bitcoinorama:

Cool off, guys. Both are doing their job. It's way better for the community to have them both, than having just one of them or none.

Bitcoinorama is very thorough and did a huge work, but it's true that he might be a little "over-enthusiastic" at times. Well, the truth is that he even would like to work for KnC, he admitted that. But this does not mean that he's dishonest, just that he is a little bit biased.

From the other side KS is playing devil's advocates, raising clever and adequate concerns, cooling off people's hope that turns in "wishful thinking" some times.

TL-DR -> we need them both. Keep up the good job, guys Wink

No-  KS is playing the troll at this point...  Many times he has posted misinformation instead of honest concern to try to stay relevant

Bit late at this point but... quote me posting misinformation please. I don't pretend not to make mistakes, but I've been rather thorough on KNC/KNCMINER/ORSOC (not every bit of info is on this forum). I see bashing and no quoting. I'm busy with more important things ATM, but I'll devote my full attention to these discussions in August.
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What happened to the 1500Gh for $30k??  Aren't people still waiting for them?

It's still 1,500 GH/s for the $22K - it's 3x 500 GH/s units though instead of 1 so initially it seems that people are only receiving 1 unit at a time. I haven't seen anyone that's gotten their full mini-rig order.

Actually, it is now 500 GH/s for $22K. The original 1500GH/s for $30K buyers are getting
3 x 500's at the original price because BFL is honoring their hash rate commitment. There
are people who have received more than one 500GH/s rig already. It is based on their
order payment date position.
legendary
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What happened to the 1500Gh for $30k??  Aren't people still waiting for them?

It's still 1,500 GH/s for the $22K - it's 3x 500 GH/s units though instead of 1 so initially it seems that people are only receiving 1 unit at a time. I haven't seen anyone that's gotten their full mini-rig order.
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What happened to the 1500Gh for $30k??  Aren't people still waiting for them?
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Free World
Their prices is way cheap than of other manufacturers...

400GHZ for $7,000

versus

500GHZ at $22,000 (BFL) which takes 48 years to get shipped...

it seems to be too good to be true...

but hey... if they are legit... I hope they can hire more people to keep miners coming...

it is always good to have consumer attention competition....
legendary
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Don't, I actually have a wedding to attend this weekend, and the closest airport is serviced solely from London by Ryanair. Cry



All i can say is LOL and good luck Cheesy
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Don't, I actually have a wedding to attend this weekend, and the closest airport is serviced solely from London by Ryanair. Cry

legendary
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Before detailing the time spent at the ORSoC offices with all those involved in KnC. I'd like to tell a little true account of my travel to and from which fittingly describes two competing companies; one that get's the product offering, and associated customer service very, very right, and another that fails miserably. If in the course of this I can at least save one person the misfortune of travelling with Ryanair, then it's worthy of my effort.

Admittedly I booked late, both flights literally a day before travel. Ryanair I will always avoid wherever possible whatever the expense; the supposedly 'budget' airline is never overt with their true cost, it literally takes three-four times as long to complete payment and turn down every up-sell imposed upon you than another competitor (kind of like buying a domain from GoDaddy). You are required to check in beforehand which means internet and a printer (or a £40 fine). Whilst checking in be prepared to be lambasted with all the previous up-sells you declined. If you manage to escape that unscathed, you then have the minefield of making sure you physically print your ticket, or your denied boarding, a bag a centimetre over their requirements, your denied boarding, buy anything in duty free? Did the shop kindly place your items in a bag? Does it not fit in your hand luggage? Denied boarding. What kind of experience entails customers shi**ing themselves as to whether they will get what they paid for from you?!

I'm sure you see the applicable relevance here and the underlying metaphor, but upon boarding the plane, Ryanair has the equivalent of a club bouncer rejecting people upon arrival...and they did. I was at the tail end of boarding, and within 20 people ahead of me they denied 5, well 4, they made one couple actually separate and the boyfriend have to purchase a second later flight. Disgusting behaviour enforced by their CEO Micael O'Leary the same ****wit that has been caught overcharging additional unannounced fees, wanting to charge for toilet usage when you are in the air, and a more recent idea to remove seating from planes and have paying customers stand the duration of the flight, cattle class.

Alas, this despicable company was my only choice left, 'budget' only truly applies to the unwillingness of the airline itself to spend, the cost to me was actually 6 times more than the return flight!!!

I paid £250 for a flight in which all reclining functionality of the seats had been purposefully removed, and not once could you close your eyes as every 10 minutes was announced a new means to remove further monies from you be it; drinks, food, products you don't want, need, or care for, requiring constant reassurance to the stewards/esses that won't take no for an answer or acknowledge you. As a final insult to injury the plane lands with a fanfare to reassure you they've raped you as much as possible on landing.

The return in contrast was with Norwegian airlines, booked the day before flight for £39! No up-sell. Check-in prior, no worries if you have no internet, you can do so at the train station whenever you like, with a text to your mobile, before even heading to the airport (not an option for the aforementioned airline), want to choose your seat? Sure go for it at point of check in (additional cost with Ryanair), bag a little over, or purchased anything extra, no problem bring it on board. Full leather reclining recaro seats, wifi on board!!?! Zero charge to you. Drinks, food available at your request, no forced selling. Very polite and extremely presentable staff (In fact they were very good looking, but that in itself is generally luck, but they made every effort to remain relaxed, polite and presentable in addition). In essence, everything one would expect, the perfect customer experience at a very fair fare.


http://vimeo.com/60938085 there Smiley
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Just a little bit of info regarding KnC
They contact ckolivas and myself at the end of May regarding cgminer and related information.

They then stated they'd be sending (in July) mock up devices (with an internal RPi) for us to work with on cgminer, then in September the real (faster) devices to tune cgminer to.

I have, however, heard nothing since, but no doubt expect to hear something soon.

I'll keep everyone posted if anything happens Smiley

Fantastic, great news, please do Kano!
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Just a little bit of info regarding KnC
They contact ckolivas and myself at the end of May regarding cgminer and related information.

They then stated they'd be sending (in July) mock up devices (with an internal RPi) for us to work with on cgminer, then in September the real (faster) devices to tune cgminer to.

I have, however, heard nothing since, but no doubt expect to hear something soon.

I'll keep everyone posted if anything happens Smiley

Great Smiley Keep us updated when you can. Post in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/swedish-asic-miner-company-kncminercom-170332 when you get more info.

Sent 1BTC for motivation Smiley
Thanks indeed - BTC received - much appreciated!
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The comments are despicable too. Glad most miners are like those idiots and won't even be able to get them working or find real companies like we did.
1) Are you responding to the comments from disappointed BFL customers?
2) which '"most miners" do you mean?
3) what "get them working" are you referring to?
4) what 'finding of real companies' are you referring to, again? I lost your train of thought here.
5) In the end of your sentence, you use plural, am I right to assume that you and your employees have found "real companies" that helped you somehow? What was it with?
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when will the KNC order the chips on earth? Huh
Well, If you bothered to read the reports, the chips were ordered back on jun 12th.
To clarify: the word "chip" is usually the small ractangular piece of silicon, but for some reason the swedish engineers were calling the whole packaged integrated circuit a "chip", that added to the confusion as they planned for 90x90mm modules. In the end there may be one or multi-chip modules, we'll know later.

P.S. the special BGA package they are going to use is, I believe, the same as the one they were doing in the 65nm to 40nm shrink of the 187-clock domain chip. (I believe I saw the photo of the original)
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I've only given it a quick glance to it but I'm not able to understand how Bagpipe was capable of getting both manufacturer name and exact chip model from the video... it could be me

It is called "a standard", look it up in a dictionary Cheesy
Basically, if a part if to be packaged in PDIP-8 it will have roughly the same look anywhere on the planet. Look up for PDIP-8 and SOIC-16 as fine examples. (Don't pelt me with stones, I know the DIP-14 was the first and only!)
hero member
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when will the KNC order the chips on earth? Huh
Well, If you bothered to read the reports, the chips were ordered back on jun 12th.

I have browsed the whole post from top to bottom and checked every sentence including the keyword "order".But I did not find the "Jun 12"
Could you plz give me the URL?
hero member
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Just a little bit of info regarding KnC
They contact ckolivas and myself at the end of May regarding cgminer and related information.

They then stated they'd be sending (in July) mock up devices (with an internal RPi) for us to work with on cgminer, then in September the real (faster) devices to tune cgminer to.

I have, however, heard nothing since, but no doubt expect to hear something soon.

I'll keep everyone posted if anything happens Smiley

Great Smiley Keep us updated when you can. Post in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/swedish-asic-miner-company-kncminercom-170332 when you get more info.

Sent 1BTC for motivation Smiley
legendary
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LIR DEV
when will the KNC order the chips on earth? Huh
Well, If you bothered to read the reports, the chips were ordered back on jun 12th.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
Just a little bit of info regarding KnC
They contact ckolivas and myself at the end of May regarding cgminer and related information.

They then stated they'd be sending (in July) mock up devices (with an internal RPi) for us to work with on cgminer, then in September the real (faster) devices to tune cgminer to.

I have, however, heard nothing since, but no doubt expect to hear something soon.

I'll keep everyone posted if anything happens Smiley
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