Topic: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process - page 22. (Read 292099 times)

I need to try and return some sanity to this thread.

Glendale, I'm sorry for your loss but it's tiny compared to many other people. Some of the bigger losers know what the deal is and understand that ukyo did not steal or misuse the money. They have not taken legal action as a result. I can't reiterate this enough. Yet you keep posting every day, always using the thief line despite the fact that numerous other things could have happened (and did happen according to those who know).

As for conspiracy theories about pay offs, here is why that doesn't work. If several people are owed a lot of money, and some are owed way more than I am, then there is no possible way they can be paid off. The only pay off anyone would accept is being fully or near fully repaid, or a % all creditors get. If the large creditors can be fully or even mostly repaid, the small creditors would certainly have been fully or mostly paid because the relative amount is negligible. It would also be dubious legally and expose those paid to significant risk so there is no possible way an unfair distribution of funds would happen. It would come out and all hell would break lose, let alone that I certainly wouldn't accept it morally.

It simply makes no sense. You think ukyo wants all this happening, that he wants a handful creditors posting about him every day? You think any of us want any of this? I just want us all repaid, end of story. In the end, however, we all risked our money on a third party wallet and got fucked, just like many others have. The difference here is ukyo has promised to try and get money back, which none of the others have done. Zero. Nada. Danny and others have seen enough to be convinced that this is true. Ukyo is black marked until he does this. He could have chosen the easy route which was to say it's all gone and that's it, as others have, but he didn't.

If those people thought ukyo guilty of anything shitty he would be covered in lawyers quick time. I don't mess about here and I'm sure others don't either. I made that very clear when this started. Tat even told me off for it! Ukyo fucked up by getting into this situ so I was and am and pissed about that to say the least, but that doesn't change the situ. Suing his arse won't either. He needs time to try and find a way to return our money. There is no alternative.

As for Danny, he tried to help ukyo but it wasn't something that could be done quickly in the end. He still wishes to spend time helping out but he's currently doing 18 hours days on Neo. Danny is owed rather more than 1 btc let's say. If anyone had cause to see the book thrown at ukyo, it's him.

As for the lack of information - that's something I'm unable to comment on. It's frustrating but I understand the reasons why. This is not down to me but it is what it is. I'm restricted by the law whether I want to be or not.

I've said all along that if you need to, you can lawyer up. If you lawyer up, it's not to have him arrested because it ain't gonna happen and you'll be throwing money away. You lawyer up to try and have your lawyer initiate a conversation about what happened. Only then do you take things into consideration before deciding your next move.

You don't need to know ukyo's lawyer, you contact him directly. It's not like his details aren't everywhere. He has done no runner. He's online regularly in multiple places, just not posting on this forum. He's talking regularly with people who can be reasonable and trustworthy rather than abusive. If I ever cease to believe him to be progressing on anything useful for us, I'll push for the truth to come out at least and I would also say so anyway.

The whole situation sucks. I went through weeks of sleepless nights about it but you have to move on. If this gets sorted then great, if it doesn't then the facts will come out for sure but they won't get any money back or make anyone feel any better. And they won't see ukyo arrested for theft either.

As for the gox comparisons - ukyo has been fully open with Danny, even going to cyprus in person. Gox still haven't been fully open with anyone. So individual's judgement calls are being made based on a lot more facts than in the gox case. Whether that actually makes it better as a result is another matter, I just wanted to explain how the reasoning took place (personally, I needed third party confirmation from Danny, Danny needed to see more details and meet ukyo in person).

I still don't know whether anything will come of this. I just know that I believe ukyo to have acted honestly through out. At fault in some way for sure, but not guilty of impropriety. I have no interest taking legal action unless I have reason to believe contrary to this.

Those capitals were meant for Ukyo, not you. Apologies if you took it so.

Has Ukyo published the contact details of his lawyer yet?

Sincerely: good luck. Please do so =)    

I don't personally have much hope getting my btc back but :  a) it would be really satisfying to at least, through the process of a trial discovery, have Jon Montroll tell the truth about what happened and what he did        and b) if he just got away with stealing all this money with absolutely no repercussions it would be sort of depressing.  

If I wasn't a pretty poor guy I would gladly donate to this cause. (Unfortunately I'm pretty poor, which is part of the reason losing my bitcoin was so distressing here.) If it did work and our money was refunded though I'll give you whatever I get back to you for launching the suit.

Okay, I see the point now.

Sigh. I did indeed follow the gox saga (before it started, to everything in between like reddit posts, podcasts, Charlie, Eric, etc.)...

thank you very much! I hope the US law will punish this cheater.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE

Good luck.

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

(F)Ukyo respects everyone here so much that he's just quiet.

Danny made the point to me recently in a PM, that he is owed what sounds like a considerable sum from Jon/Ukyo/Bitfunder/Weex. And i believe him.
However, we have recently been shown that it matters not, what connections, or skin, or 'knowledge' you have in this game, where you are dealing and relying on someones word.
What i mean is.....how much did Eric V and Charlie S have under Gox's control?
How many days before Mark was forced to bow, was Andreas and Charlie saying that insolvency was not an issue?

Dont get me wrong, im not judging the people named here per se. Its how they approach their judgements, is what i question.

So just relying on Danny's involvement is flawed and based on hope alone........UNLESS WE SEE EVIDENCE OF REAL PROGRESS!

Exactly what I am going to do. Squirm all you want.

Cryptocyprus has more BTC lost in this debacle than I do, says he'll be the last to get paid back, and he thinks he'll eventually get it back. I'd listen to him more than you.

And what the hell is it with this "trust rating" system on these forums? It must be utterly full of shit because I have a -4 reputation and never did anything other than post stuff here. Is it some kind of "I disagree with this bozo so I down vote his trust rating" thing? Pankkake, how wonderful.

WeExchange Australia, Pty. Ltd.
12A Bromley Rd.
Hilton, Western Australia 6163
Australia

Business Information:
ACN: 152 308 239
ABN: 30 152 308 239

I'd be really happy if you sued him and hope you do. It'd be nice if there were any reprecussions for him stealing all our money, and at the very least, we'd finally hear the truth, whether it was his scam to steal the money or he gambled away everyone's deposits on risky investments or whatever the case may be.

That being said, I think the chances are pretty slight.  Jon Montrol purposefully seemed to set up his company so that it has to do so, with one part of being registered in Bali, one part registered in Australia etc.  This is also shown in his IRC chats how he says that WeExchange and Bitfunder are totally separate companies and how he can't talk about what happened to our stolen millions 'for legal reasons' (which seem to be basically 'I did something illegal and you lost all your money so the less I say the better off I am').

I don't even know if you could find a lawyer who would be up for taking this on and it would cost you a really exorbitant amount of money to do so and best case would likely be that he goes bankrupt and you don't get any of your money back (which he also said he'd do, in IRC chats, if he got sued).

Probably the only people who got their stolen BTC back where the people that did enough stuff 'in real life' to warrant them being scary enough to Jon that he'd pay them off.

I'm amazed that still some people have their head stuck in the sand. Ya, ya, just hold on guys, Jon Montroll is going to just come back one day and give you your stolen money back lol. Keep on waiting !

What was the address of weexchange again? There was something in australia and something in the usa right? I will search another lawyer now. First step checking out if he can get more info, maybe putting pressure to get info. Sueing isn't the step from the start, first trying to gain information in case there is a gag order.

So I don't think that the no news good news is right in this case.
I deal with it an I'm now using cold strorage only ...
Lost 1.3 Btc in weexchange and 0.3 in mtgox + Some shares lost  

I sent him an email with that question already. Or another user is already his client and he cant take more for some reason.

Anyway... i would have awaited to get at least an explaination instead only "No". When i described what its about at foundation forum he asked me to send an email. So it would be strange when he only now knew that he can't handle it after he already knew the topic weexchange and ukyo.

Oh that is it. Sorry my bad. Apparently I'm not fully aware how the trust system works and will now read up on it.

Maybe Santori represents Ukyo already.

So finally i managed to write with Marco Santori, the forum lawyer, and what does he answer?
He has bad ratings. He only has more good ratings so he still is in the positives. Though it wouldnt change anything anyway.

I see 229 negative trust.