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legendary
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I need to try and return some sanity to this thread.

Glendale, I'm sorry for your loss but it's tiny compared to many other people. Some of the bigger losers know what the deal is and understand that ukyo did not steal or misuse the money. They have not taken legal action as a result. I can't reiterate this enough. Yet you keep posting every day, always using the thief line despite the fact that numerous other things could have happened (and did happen according to those who know).


I may have only lost 1 btc, but that is a lot of money for me, I am pretty poor currently.

Second, how is it that big bag holders are told what is going on, but not any of the rest of us? I'm sorry, it is just not reasonable to take someone's deposits, lock it, and then not give any non-lie reason for it being taken. So you let me get this straight. You want me to have my money taken from me and not bitch about it?  Whether you lost 1 btc or 100 btc you have a right to know what happened.

Your third point, about how numerous things could have happened that explain the situation:  as I posted before, I can not think of a single situation that answers the following for me:

Thought game here: what possible scenario could we have for Ukyo :

a) taking deposits from users knowing he was not able to pay them back for over a month and half.

b) what technical problem could he possibly be working on for 3 months that was render all of funds unavailable.  And what technical problem could be 'solved' leading to the recovery of our deposits. Really.

c) taking out a big loan when this started for unstated reasons that he defaulted on.

d) what possible 'legal reasons' could he have for not being able to explain the situation (beyond Ukyo just covering his ass). I can not think of a single situation either. (What, do you think he has a secret gag order from the CIA or something? )

e) he hasn't posted on these forums for 3 weeks.

f) I admit this is just a suspicion here: but it is very auspicious timing that this went down right went bitcoin entered it's last boom.

I'm open to any hypothesis that explains the situation.

Based on what has happened, what we have been told, and all points above: My personal conclusion is you are being strung along.

Again, give me one valid single hypothetical situation that explains all these points and will gladly stop posting.

Meanwhile? I'm going to keep bitching. I've given up on getting my stolen bitcoin back so at least I have the right to bitch about how my money was taken. Furthermore, having been scammed before, I feel in it is my duty for trying to open the eyes of those who have not been scammed before and may be trusting Ukyo without valid reason to do so.

I don't know what you know ffssixtynine. All I know is that someone took my bitcoin illegally and there has been only about 5% progress towards a resolution in 3+ months.
KS
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It was more of a rhetorical question than an actual one, but thank you for (re)answering.
legendary
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Are you planning on gathering information or suing?

First information. Depending on what ukyo gives/not gives, i decide what to do then.
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Though for the start i only want to get information from ukyo.
KS
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Are you planning on gathering information or suing?
legendary
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I think the UKYO's address from Shitfanleak might a bit confuse, because there are two separate address belongs UKYO's  which one should I use?
or these address isn't correct? if anyone knows real address, please let me know ,thanks !  also I have contact the two number from that website, has nobody answer the phone. The number I used also from whitepages.com



Below is the address and number  from whitepages.com , I am doubt about the reliability of the information from this website. ?

8173065870
8175603458

741 Sparrow Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76131-2912

and

8101 Chapin Rd
Benbrook, TX 76116-6905

If anyone know which one is the real address of UKYO and phone number, please send me a PM, if you feel it is not good to put in here you also can send me  email address : [email protected]

If I got my BTC back or send him to bankruptcy I will give you some BTC as a return. 

Kind Regards


I collected and sent some infos for my lawyer too. Hes pretty expensive after i told him the amount i miss... Smiley But at least it looks like i can pay him in bitcoin. I gave him the weexchange address from this thread one side before and the address ukyo used for registering his business. First image under this link https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE

May be I can join to your case, so we can sharing the cost of legal process.. what you think? UKYO owes me 130000 USD or more than 200 BTC.


That might work. Though for the start i only want to get information from ukyo. Depending on what info the lawyer gets/not gets i would decide what to do then.

I can ask if you can join or i share the results with you when we share the costs. I guess the first option would mean they will charge more because they wanted to hear the amount owed before they told me what they charge. And i guess they wouldnt work differently when more are involved.

Ill send you a pm with my email address.
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I think the UKYO's address from Shitfanleak might a bit confuse, because there are two separate address belongs UKYO's  which one should I use?
or these address isn't correct? if anyone knows real address, please let me know ,thanks !  also I have contact the two number from that website, has nobody answer the phone. The number I used also from whitepages.com



Below is the address and number  from whitepages.com , I am doubt about the reliability of the information from this website. ?

8173065870
8175603458

741 Sparrow Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76131-2912

and

8101 Chapin Rd
Benbrook, TX 76116-6905

If anyone know which one is the real address of UKYO and phone number, please send me a PM, if you feel it is not good to put in here you also can send me  email address : [email protected]

If I got my BTC back or send him to bankruptcy I will give you some BTC as a return. 

Kind Regards


I collected and sent some infos for my lawyer too. Hes pretty expensive after i told him the amount i miss... Smiley But at least it looks like i can pay him in bitcoin. I gave him the weexchange address from this thread one side before and the address ukyo used for registering his business. First image under this link https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE

May be I can join to your case, so we can sharing the cost of legal process.. what you think? UKYO owes me 130000 USD or more than 200 BTC.
legendary
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I think the UKYO's address from Shitfanleak might a bit confuse, because there are two separate address belongs UKYO's  which one should I use?
or these address isn't correct? if anyone knows real address, please let me know ,thanks !  also I have contact the two number from that website, has nobody answer the phone. The number I used also from whitepages.com



Below is the address and number  from whitepages.com , I am doubt about the reliability of the information from this website. ?

8173065870
8175603458

741 Sparrow Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76131-2912

and

8101 Chapin Rd
Benbrook, TX 76116-6905

If anyone know which one is the real address of UKYO and phone number, please send me a PM, if you feel it is not good to put in here you also can send me  email address : [email protected]

If I got my BTC back or send him to bankruptcy I will give you some BTC as a return. 

Kind Regards


I collected and sent some infos for my lawyer too. Hes pretty expensive after i told him the amount i miss... Smiley But at least it looks like i can pay him in bitcoin. I gave him the weexchange address from this thread one side before and the address ukyo used for registering his business. First image under this link https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE
sr. member
Activity: 378
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I think the UKYO's address from Shitfanleak might a bit confuse, because there are two separate address belongs UKYO's  which one should I use?
or these address isn't correct? if anyone knows real address, please let me know ,thanks !  also I have contact the two number from that website, has nobody answer the phone. The number I used also from whitepages.com



Below is the address and number  from whitepages.com , I am doubt about the reliability of the information from this website. ?

8173065870
8175603458

741 Sparrow Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76131-2912

and

8101 Chapin Rd
Benbrook, TX 76116-6905

If anyone know which one is the real address of UKYO and phone number, please send me a PM, if you feel it is not good to put in here you also can send me  email address : [email protected]

If I got my BTC back or send him to bankruptcy I will give you some BTC as a return. 

Kind Regards
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This quote seems very relevant for this thread (if it is true):
Ukyo showed up at the Dallas Bitcoin meetups several times last summer, before that thread, and then disappeared a few months later.

He talked about having just come back from helping Mark Karpelles get Mt Gox working again after the DDoS, had bad things to say about Marks's organizational and coding abilities, and told us Mark's side of the dispute with CoinLab (all the stuff that came out in the countersuit).

At the time he claimed to be working to get the necessary state-level MSB licensing and was preparing to have WeExchange take over the USD side of Mt Gox's businesses. (Do all the things CoinLab promised but never achieved). That clearly never panned out.

He was worried about the SEC and Bitfunder and was looking for an exit strategy.

This was most likely also the big news he was talking about. Combined with the IRC-log from December 17, I think we might have uncovered the cause of the problems at weex (and mtgox?).
Code: (#weex)
been fighting gox to coorolate things
to find out exactly whats what on those orders
er..
>,>
<,<
i am going to shut up now.

Maybe the central bank of Satoshi will bail us (and Gox) out now...
member
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This quote seems very relevant for this thread (if it is true):
Ukyo showed up at the Dallas Bitcoin meetups several times last summer, before that thread, and then disappeared a few months later.

He talked about having just come back from helping Mark Karpelles get Mt Gox working again after the DDoS, had bad things to say about Marks's organizational and coding abilities, and told us Mark's side of the dispute with CoinLab (all the stuff that came out in the countersuit).

At the time he claimed to be working to get the necessary state-level MSB licensing and was preparing to have WeExchange take over the USD side of Mt Gox's businesses. (Do all the things CoinLab promised but never achieved). That clearly never panned out.

He was worried about the SEC and Bitfunder and was looking for an exit strategy.

This was most likely also the big news he was talking about. Combined with the IRC-log from December 17, I think we might have uncovered the cause of the problems at weex (and mtgox?).
Code: (#weex)
been fighting gox to coorolate things
to find out exactly whats what on those orders
er..
>,>
<,<
i am going to shut up now.
hero member
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I must admit that this post was only pointed out to me after I made my speculation here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-think-i-know-where-all-the-gox-money-went-502485

Also, I need to ask this:
who is ffssixtynine?
Why is he/she backing up ukyo and danny from the beginning?

Not accusing him/her of anything.
I just want to know what his/her role is in this.



Nothing useful atleast.

Why so?


Go through this thread and report back if you find some useful infomation from anyone. As useless as my reply.
hero member
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I must admit that this post was only pointed out to me after I made my speculation here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-think-i-know-where-all-the-gox-money-went-502485

Also, I need to ask this:
who is ffssixtynine?
Why is he/she backing up ukyo and danny from the beginning?

Not accusing him/her of anything.
I just want to know what his/her role is in this.



Nothing useful atleast.

Why so?

hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
I must admit that this post was only pointed out to me after I made my speculation here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-think-i-know-where-all-the-gox-money-went-502485

Also, I need to ask this:
who is ffssixtynine?
Why is he/she backing up ukyo and danny from the beginning?

Not accusing him/her of anything.
I just want to know what his/her role is in this.



Nothing useful atleast.
hero member
Activity: 1582
Merit: 502
I must admit that this post was only pointed out to me after I made my speculation here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-think-i-know-where-all-the-gox-money-went-502485

Also, I need to ask this:
who is ffssixtynine?
Why is he/she backing up ukyo and danny from the beginning?

Not accusing him/her of anything.
I just want to know what his/her role is in this.

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Danny is owed rather more than 1 btc let's say. If anyone had cause to see the book thrown at ukyo, it's him.


From what I hear, It's in the range of 1200+ Bitcoins
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The thing is, why didn't he tell us the truth himself?

The money is gone and we don't know why?
legendary
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If ffssixtynine speaks the truth, we can narrow the situation down to this:

*Ukyo did not steal or money (If you lawyer up, it's not to have him arrested because it ain't gonna happen)
*Ukyo did not gamble with our money (If you lawyer up, it's not to have him arrested because it ain't gonna happen)
*Ukyo did not lose the private keys (otherwise tehre was no hope left to get the funds backk)

=> The coins are taken/stolen by a third party and we are fucked.

Maybe his home was robbed and the burglars stole his PC along with the backups of his private key.
Maybe he was robbed by the "melleability transaction attack" and his cold storage was emptied, like Mt.Gox.
Maybe his site needed to close after a court order of FinCen/SEC and the BTC was seized.

I am betting it is one of those 3 scenarios.
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Blah, blah, blah, I'm not gonna tell you, you just have to trust me, someone who you have never met before and know nothing about.
And you also have to trust Ukyo ... coz ... Ukyo not gonna tell you why ...

I guess you live in a magical castle and are used to giving decress that everyone must believe Tongue

Seriously, you wonder why people comment negatively about the situation?

I understand completely why. Read what I posted rather than dismissing it.

I've said repeatedly that if you don't want to believe Danny et al then go and get a lawyer and do this properly. How much clearer can I be? I'm not asking people to trust anyone, I'm asking people to use their head.

Ukyo is not in hiding. Revealing personal details is pointless and childish. Posting daily accusing him of theft (which I do understand) isn't changing anything.

Walk way (for now), or lawyer up. These are your options. Sitting and complaining on a forum full of people with vested interests/previous gripes is the least productive thing you can do.

(Also - I'm not anonymous and am happy to talk to anyone in real life, skype, whatever - we're all owed money here and fighting about it is plain silly)
legendary
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I need to try and return some sanity to this thread.

Glendale, I'm sorry for your loss but it's tiny compared to many other people. Some of the bigger losers know what the deal is and understand that ukyo did not steal or misuse the money. They have not taken legal action as a result. I can't reiterate this enough. Yet you keep posting every day, always using the thief line despite the fact that numerous other things could have happened (and did happen according to those who know).

...
Blah, blah, blah, I'm not gonna tell you, you just have to trust me, someone who you have never met before and know nothing about.
And you also have to trust Ukyo ... coz ... Ukyo not gonna tell you why ...

I guess you live in a magical castle and are used to giving decress that everyone must believe Tongue

Seriously, you wonder why people comment negatively about the situation?
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