Topic: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process - page 67. (Read 292200 times)

Quote from: Bananery on December 10, 2013, 04:35:21 PM

Quote from: mgio on December 10, 2013, 05:41:01 PM

I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

I did my own research on the people I talked to and I also communicated with them via e-mail.

Pretty hard to forge a sec.gov e-mail address.

No. It's simple to forge.

Actually - anyone can email from [email protected] if they want ...

The thing you would need to check is the appropriate part of the email header stating where the email came from ... and understand how to check that ...

Yes, I know, but they actually called me first, gave me their e-mail addresses and I e-mailed them.

In other words, it would be tricky for you to tell me, "hey, send me an e-mail at [email protected]" and let's talk" and expect it to work

If it's a windows computer ... not that hard at all actually.
The right steps in the process will produce the wanted results.

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Quote from: kano on December 10, 2013, 05:36:04 PM

Quote from: Bananery on December 10, 2013, 04:35:21 PM

Quote from: kano on December 10, 2013, 05:36:04 PM

I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

I did my own research on the people I talked to and I also communicated with them via e-mail.

Pretty hard to forge a sec.gov e-mail address.

No. It's simple to forge.

Actually - anyone can email from [email protected] if they want ...

The thing you would need to check is the appropriate part of the email header stating where the email came from ... and understand how to check that ...

Yes, I know, but they actually called me first, gave me their e-mail addresses and I e-mailed them.

In other words, it would be tricky for you to tell me, "hey, send me an e-mail at [email protected]" and let's talk" and expect it to work

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Quote from: Bananery on December 10, 2013, 04:35:21 PM

I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

I did my own research on the people I talked to and I also communicated with them via e-mail.

Pretty hard to forge a sec.gov e-mail address.

No. It's simple to forge.

Actually - anyone can email from [email protected] if they want ...

The thing you would need to check is the appropriate part of the email header stating where the email came from ... and understand how to check that ...

Yes, I know, but they actually called me first, gave me their e-mail addresses and I e-mailed them.

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Quote from: Bananery on December 10, 2013, 04:35:21 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 10, 2013, 05:21:23 PM

I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

I did my own research on the people I talked to and I also communicated with them via e-mail.

Pretty hard to forge a sec.gov e-mail address.

No. It's simple to forge.

Actually - anyone can email from [email protected] if they want ...

The thing you would need to check is the appropriate part of the email header stating where the email came from ... and understand how to check that ...

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Quote from: mgio on December 10, 2013, 05:19:12 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 10, 2013, 05:15:38 PM

Quote from: mgio on December 10, 2013, 05:19:12 PM

I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

Wait, the SEC called you a few weeks ago about Ukyo, and you didn't think it was newsworthy enough to mention until now?

I hadn't decided whether I was going to talk about it publicly or not at the time. Especially since they are likely reading everything that is written here.

Did they tell you not to discuss the matter? Were you sworn to secrecy? I'm really interested in learning how TLAs work.

No, they didn't say anything about it being a secret. They are simply collecting information for an investigation. That said, I thought it would have be rather crude of me to immediately go jump on the internet and post "omg, the SEC just called me," especially while I was still in communication with them.

I'd like to stay on their good side as I think they actually could be helpful in the worst case scenario where we don't get any of our coins back.

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Quote from: crumbs on December 10, 2013, 05:15:38 PM

Quote from: crumbs on December 10, 2013, 05:15:38 PM

I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

Wait, the SEC called you a few weeks ago about Ukyo, and you didn't think it was newsworthy enough to mention until now?

I hadn't decided whether I was going to talk about it publicly or not at the time. Especially since they are likely reading everything that is written here.

Did they tell you not to discuss the matter? Were you sworn to secrecy? Are you risking your life by disclosing this information now? I'm really interested in learning how TLAs work.

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Quote from: crumbs on December 10, 2013, 05:15:38 PM

I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

Wait, the SEC called you a few weeks ago about Ukyo, and you didn't think it was newsworthy enough to mention until now?

I hadn't decided whether I was going to talk about it publicly or not at the time. Especially since they are likely reading everything that is written here.

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I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

Wait, the SEC called you a few weeks ago about Ukyo, and you didn't think it was newsworthy enough to mention until now?

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I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

Wait, the SEC called you a few weeks ago about Ukyo, and you didn't think it was newsworthy enough to mention until now?

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Quote from: Bananery on December 10, 2013, 04:35:21 PM

I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

They did. And I'm not the only one who was contacted either. Search these forums. There was someone else who got a call that posted too.

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Quote from: Bananery on December 10, 2013, 04:35:21 PM

I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

I did my own research on the people I talked to and I also communicated with them via e-mail.

Pretty hard to forge a sec.gov e-mail address.

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I dont believe the sec is calling somebody in this case... they might send a formal letter or invite you to ask their questions

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I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

-May i speak to the man of the house?
-Speaking
-Mr...
-Mr. mgio. Who am i speaking to, please?
-I'm SEC. You alone?
-Well, yes bu...
-Mr. mgio, I Googled you. What are you wearing?

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Quote from: stereotype on December 10, 2013, 02:40:21 PM

I didn't post about this after they called.

How do you know it was SEC? Did they prove they were really SEC?

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Quote from: mgio on December 10, 2013, 02:21:46 PM

Quote from: twentyseventy on December 10, 2013, 02:08:48 PM

Quote from: krimsonkla on December 09, 2013, 07:25:30 PM

Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

Where did the SEC get your phone number from, and how did they connect you to BF/Weex?

They connected me to it because they read these forums and they saw me posting here.

They got my phone number by googling me, most likely. I'm not exactly sure how they figured out who I am but I have not tried to stay anonymous so I'm sure it wasn't terribly difficult.

Where did you post about this, after they called?

I didn't post about this after they called.

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Quote from: velacreations on December 10, 2013, 01:26:16 PM

the SEC shut down an online poker room?

Actually it was the DOJ and a very, very huge incident.

Quote

Black Friday, April 15, 2011, will go down in the history of poker as the beginning of a new era. The United States Department of Justice charged principals of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker with bank fraud, illegal gambling offenses, and laundering billions of dollars in illegal gambling proceeds.

This was followed by the seizure of internet domain names used by PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker as well as the freezing of 75 bank accounts utilized by those operators and their payment processors.

Later, all three operators banned American players from their sites and froze their real money accounts. (source)

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Quote from: mgio on December 10, 2013, 02:21:46 PM

Quote from: twentyseventy on December 10, 2013, 02:08:48 PM

Quote from: krimsonkla on December 09, 2013, 07:25:30 PM

Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

Where did the SEC get your phone number from, and how did they connect you to BF/Weex?

They connected me to it because they read these forums and they saw me posting here.

They got my phone number by googling me, most likely. I'm not exactly sure how they figured out who I am but I have not tried to stay anonymous so I'm sure it wasn't terribly difficult.

Where did you post about this, after they called?

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Quote from: twentyseventy on December 10, 2013, 02:08:48 PM

Quote from: krimsonkla on December 09, 2013, 07:25:30 PM

Nope, not saying in anyway that laws were not broken. They obviously were, and we all knew that when we invested our coins! What I am saying is he is not alone in this endeavor, he has a partner everyone seems to forget about, and the quickest link to follow from the site to law enforcement would be via the website and business registration.

That said, any involvement of SEC or ASIC will more than likely not result in any of your funds being returned to you. ASIC actually states that you would need to attempt that on your own.

If people are not willing to try and legally get their funds back, and also are unwilling to pursue the criminal route, continued posting here is pointless.

Actually, I talked to the SEC a few weeks ago (they called me, I did not call them!) and they said that if they discovered any fraud they would do their best to return money to the investors. So, yes, the SEC will help you out, but it will likely take a long time.

Personally, I would get a lawyer for faster results if you are inclined, but I've decided to wait a little bit more and see what happens first. I still have faith that Ukyo will come up with some kind of plan and I appreciate everything Neo&Bee is doing to help this situation.

Where did the SEC get your phone number from, and how did they connect you to BF/Weex?

They connected me to it because they read these forums and they saw me posting here.

They got my phone number by googling me, most likely. I'm not exactly sure how they figured out who I am but I have not tried to stay anonymous so I'm sure it wasn't terribly difficult.

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