Topic: [BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process - page 69. (Read 291897 times)

You don't need lawyers, and you don't need money to go after Ukyo.
The real step is to file a formal complaint with the SEC.  People have a misconception on here that they only deal with shutting down exchanges.  No.. they have even busted ponzi schemes and have in many cases returned the money to the victims (the term "securities" and "shares" cover a very large array of situations, and pretty much anything that requires an investment from the victim).  In fact they will reward you 10-15% if it leads to recovering at least $1 million of funds through federal prosecution (read their website).  This is the cheapest way..  and the best way IMO

At this point, SEC is our friend.. and yes they handle international cases too if the scammer is in the US

It's not even that; people need to ensure they comply with the law themselves. The correct way to do things, if not waiting it out, is through a lawyer. The law doesn't care about who deserved what.

Even if you think he did steal coins, that needs to be dealt with legally and proved. All people know is that most coins are not available and there are a number of reasons that may be.

The chances of Neo & Bee being involved if they believed ukyo to be pulling a fast one are somewhere between zero and none. Even if it were found that he did something bad, Neo & Bee would do whatever they think would help get the coins back and then he'd have to face up to the law anyway. Cyprus is in the EU - not exactly running away. It's also rather easier to get help by being where the team is, right? Neo & Bee are not a one man operation, they're possibly the biggest Bitcoin start-up in operation.

Seb, if the worst happened and it came down to legal action, there will be little if anything for account holders and yes it would take many months. It's why grief aimed at Neo, who are trying to help, by people with money at stake is short sighted. Ukyo, well, this is his company whatever has happened so people have a right to be angry, but Neo are trying to help fix it.

I only hope that doesnt lead to everything blocked by the police... so that it takes months or years to see anything back... normally i think they would speak to him, he explains that he works to repair the software and they go again...

Yes, but to take legal action you need to serve him and for that you need his address.  Anyone needing his address just PM me.

I think that's the idea here, is it not? Why doesn't he deserve it when he made other people's lives into a nightmare?

ukyo does not need to be in cyprus. he could do everything he needs to do from the U.S on the phone. Has Danny given him a job "office window licker"

Please transfer my G.ASICMINER-PT shares to direct shares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still have 56 BTC I would appreciate getting back.  What is our next action if we don't receive them before 2014?

Does anyone have IRC logs from about a week ago when Ukyo came onto #weex (or maybe it was #bitfunder) and essentially said that that the coins were not "gone"?

the douchey ness of this guy and TAT and anyone else involved in "BTC Investments" is why i sold all shares.. anyone holding shares is just asking to be scammed by everyone of these companies.

Can I just humbly ask which part of the update contains that "much more detailed" information that you alluded to? As I understand there are two pieces of new information in the update:

1) Ukyo is in Cyprus

2) The coins are gone.

Am I missing something?

It is either you are a computer geek or business geek, Bitcoin is money given to computer geeks, it was given to them so business retards would stay away, this is an attempt from a business retard trying to be a computer geek, Acta est fabula.

So the claims of cryptocyprus that there are no coins and next he says there are only some coins mean that the wallet is broken and only a couple coins are seeable? Now they try to repair the wallet to get access to all coins again?

ukYO, give me back my bitcoin...............

Correct - totally true.
So there is something that is stopping him from ignoring the situation, and it isn't the goodness of his heart.
However, it is something, like the rest of this situation, that is hidden.

... and I'm sure he will be happy with the results of why he is doing this also.

There is only one person to gain from the process - Ukyo - who had the BTC in trust and now seems to no longer have it according to cryptocyprus' words.
For the rest of us, it simply stops us from losing what we are owed and are still waiting for.

... and what is that statement based on: "... no chance ..."

There are no details given out except what, certainly to date, amount to empty promises.
Nothing has happened so far that has been said would happen.
No details have been supplied except that originally it was stated to be one problem, now it's changed to "the coins are gone" (disappeared magically apparently)

Yes it may happen in the future that we get our coins back, but so far the only thing we've been told that supposedly has happened is that Ukyo can afford to and has left the USA to fly to Greece.

... and the unknown future is: we might get back what we have been owed for a month or more ... as a promise from someone who most of us have no idea who they are and certainly have no details on how they are going to get back the missing BTC. Nothing has been done yet, and the motive for providing the help to Ukyo has not yet been disclosed.

The fact that cryptocyprus still posts here is mind blowing. THIS is the kind of stuff he shouldn't be wasting his time on. Posting one update a month should be sufficient for you asshats. He didn't need to try to get your coins back, he could have just moved on with his life and project.

I will bet money that if this gets resolved and you get your coins back, a very small percentage of you will even take the time to thank him. If he comes out and says "well I tried" you will grab your pitchforks. There was no chance that you were getting your coins back prior to the involvement, keep thinking that way. What's the saying? Don't put in more than you are willing to lose.

I believe everything will be fine for NB investors, and at this stage people affected by BF will be happy with anything they can get back. In any case, not much we can do except wait and see what happens in the next weeks.

Yes, the community has been shafted over and over, it is an absolute no-brainer.
There's currently absolutely nothing to suggest that this is any different.
Same stall tactics.
Same broken promises.
Same allusions to "we can't tell you 'coz NDA and/or government."  Not even that explicit -- Just "legal reasons."
This has been successful in delaying legal action.  Ukyo has been afforded a chance to exit US, and is now in Cyprus according to Danny.  Implying that NeoBee has no liabilities at this point is disingenuous.
There's nothing sad about sleeping with dogs and waking up with fleas.  It should be expected.  Inability to predict such consequences speaks volumes about a person's ability to make business decisions.

I don't think some people are actually catching on to what's going on here and are immediately thinking the worst of the very person who is trying to get them their money back. Neo aren't going to do anything detrimental to their business and they aren't going to throw away shareholder funds. Neo didn't make the problem but are hoping to offer a solution.

Also, some of the 'facts' being posted by others are not true. Inferences are being made which are incorrect. It may not seem obvious but that's because the full story hasn't been released. Everything said by Ukyo or Neo tallies with my knowledge so far and no one has been lied to afaik.

Finally, certain people here are outright trolling for entertainment. It's no coincidence that they have little or often no money at stake when looked into further.

I'm going to be absolutely clear on this. If neo (or someone similar) weren't helping, there is very little chance any of us would see more than a tiny handful of coins returned, if anything at all, including if you take all the legal action in the world.

If neo, or similar, can help successfully, we'll get them all.

It is an absolute no brainer, and it's sad seeing Danny getting abuse for it. The community has been shafted one time too many and apparently can't see a good thing when it happens.

I got an apology from Danny in  PM.

As I said to him it takes a big bloke to do that.