[BitFunder] Ukyo.Loan - Paying 0.05% daily. - page 10.

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Quote from: malkusch on March 07, 2014, 10:09:09 PM

Quote from: mgio on March 07, 2014, 05:12:23 PM

Quote from: malkusch on January 27, 2014, 05:47:46 AM

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?

I'm more than happy to do that (although I started to enjoy the "ignore" function in this thread).

A threshold of 10BTC was just a random suggestion without knowing the affected addresses. So ~10BTC would qualify 36 addresses. Is this acceptable? I'm just so bored of some non-constructive disrupting entities.

Quote from: ADgordo on March 07, 2014, 08:22:44 PM

I suggest including the Graet.Loan people in this discussion if it will happen as the groups likely overlap.

I would suggest to stick with those 36 people (?) for the beginning and concentrate on a constructive process between Ukyo and its Ukyo.Loan debtees. No WeEx and no Graet.Loan. We can of course discuss the inclusion of more people in that thread.

No one bondholder is more important than the rest, regardless of size of debt. In any distribution, it would be proportional. IMO, the bets course of action is to get Ukyo to liquidate assets to pay bondholders, since this is what he used it for anyway. Assets may include bitcoin-denominated stocks, rights to ownership of invested projects, etc.

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Quote from: mgio on March 07, 2014, 05:12:23 PM

Quote from: malkusch on January 27, 2014, 05:47:46 AM

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?

I'm more than happy to do that (although I started to enjoy the "ignore" function in this thread).

A threshold of 10BTC was just a random suggestion without knowing the affected addresses. So ~10BTC would qualify 36 addresses. Is this acceptable? I'm just so bored of some non-constructive disrupting entities.

Quote from: ADgordo on March 07, 2014, 08:22:44 PM

I suggest including the Graet.Loan people in this discussion if it will happen as the groups likely overlap.

I would suggest to stick with those 36 people (?) for the beginning and concentrate on a constructive process between Ukyo and its Ukyo.Loan debtees. No WeEx and no Graet.Loan. We can of course discuss the inclusion of more people in that thread.

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Quote from: mgio on March 07, 2014, 05:12:23 PM

Quote from: malkusch on January 27, 2014, 05:47:46 AM

Quote from: minerpart on January 25, 2014, 11:21:40 AM

Only 5% of them need to be sold at that price to fully cover all of the ACtM debt.
Once that debt is settled the remaining shares or BTC will likely be given to a safe third party for distribution to the victims of Uyko. This is entirely legal and right.

You don't get my point. In a worst case scenario I expect the rest of Ukyo's wealth to be distributed proportionately to us, the debtees. It is not in our interest that one entity gets his isolated cut before.

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC? Any opinions on that? I have the impression that everyone wants to have a word in that and the lower the involved amount is, the more non-constructive the words are. Do we have a list of BTC addresses who are involved into Ukyo.Loan?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?

I think it sounds like a good ide to.

Here is the asset list for Ukyo loan:

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Ukyo.Loan 	1 	1F8wwTDg4JhTKBAPkFF5aJTV6Fgi31nBc9
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Ukyo.Loan 	1 	1F9xpLoDfuCgsaK7jqQTkVEoU1jgWTh5gY
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Ukyo.Loan 	3,200 	1AbyfrvNyoEkyT993aPz3x4zajeXp188Wj
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Ukyo.Loan 	1 	1CtukaguQJcAxa7RaazZNaSGNDjab6FXJX
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Ukyo.Loan 	70 	18LgTs5yuY4Afe3KETLxzZf6kDkGhQRnHJ
Ukyo.Loan 	4,000 	1MighUVrT8znhm8VUvT2yVJz2Yba1SzTEF
Ukyo.Loan 	300 	1HnMN8j7PV5tqydxCP42u88wu7nbXUuTgU
Ukyo.Loan 	217 	1DsUJ6A8URhYaFcxXvx3rjfB56bpQYDEvr
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Ukyo.Loan 	70 	198ZPTXTUHa4AdUPuLDNMzNu8LdQyC9Xgk
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Ukyo.Loan 	42 	1FV1dzKhyCzpZZpiaD9rsLkH8qkrmckRU9
Ukyo.Loan 	129 	1GngL2q2C3zEtqmZDYozj9owqbG8qocAL8
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Ukyo.Loan 	22 	1LbBEyqBvBGjju6EKWL6XhrN1ZrrL6BDju
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Ukyo.Loan 	1,392 	1GwVpRYhX1Vb7vbAjPyVDmLXaPu7PVfJgo
Ukyo.Loan 	5,879 	1EdK3pLnWTLZ9LXRpZ5nnfcoCMTXWaPabf
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Ukyo.Loan 	474 	13t7yBPPStby4qWbUyG4HimoLE97jNvfcG
Ukyo.Loan 	3 	1CvWk15yRrVQxjPiKuMUK8ikRA85hVHpTu
Ukyo.Loan 	1,000 	1G4gDC56KPeEXi7CmRZ2yaAD5utnM35No4
Ukyo.Loan 	30 	1BJqUtzZYLc45PJYTaLxRzX1GPVChQNbGi
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Ukyo.Loan 	697 	1JXZTSGtbAuDMYZ8RibmocBVhVzqmjQBXm
Ukyo.Loan 	810 	19pUDPc4ZaQ1tSXh9WVhKH4PLNA83ZBRU4

So there is 128 addresses/people in total that have loaned Ukyo money in his loan and we are for example 14 people that have 4000 or more shares, 23 with 2000 or more shares and 36 that have 1000 or more shares.

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Quote from: malkusch on January 27, 2014, 05:47:46 AM

Quote from: minerpart on January 25, 2014, 11:21:40 AM

Only 5% of them need to be sold at that price to fully cover all of the ACtM debt.
Once that debt is settled the remaining shares or BTC will likely be given to a safe third party for distribution to the victims of Uyko. This is entirely legal and right.

You don't get my point. In a worst case scenario I expect the rest of Ukyo's wealth to be distributed proportionately to us, the debtees. It is not in our interest that one entity gets his isolated cut before.

I suggest to create a new closed thread dedicated to Ukyo.Loan debtees to discuss the resolution constructively. That closed thread should be accessed by Ukyo plus deptees above a significant amount only. I would say a reasonable minimum is 10 BTC? Any opinions on that? I have the impression that everyone wants to have a word in that and the lower the involved amount is, the more non-constructive the words are. Do we have a list of BTC addresses who are involved into Ukyo.Loan?

This sounds like a good idea. Can you set this up?

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Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on March 06, 2014, 04:02:37 PM

Quote from: mgio on March 05, 2014, 04:21:09 PM

Quote from: glendall on March 05, 2014, 02:21:11 AM

Quote from: ADgordo on March 04, 2014, 08:34:22 PM

Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on March 04, 2014, 08:06:21 PM

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

How long do you plan to wait before you would consider that your money has been stolen. It has been about 3 months. So what then, wait another 3 months? 6? A year even?Would you even then, after a year, start to suspect your money was stolen? All the indicators point to this being the case, good luck with Jon coming back in the future and returning your money Undecided

It's a tough choice. He claims he has the money invested in new business ventures and that those investments should eventually return a profit allowing him to pay back the loan. Unfortunately he won't tell us what these ventures are or what their status is.

Since he has owned or ran several businesses in his life, he likely has some assets. If you sue him and he declares bankruptcy as a result, you won't get his house. The courts will likely let him keep that. But you may get something. After the lawyers take their giant share though. Before you do that, you should get a good idea of what his assets are.

I think I am still ukyo's biggest creditor, and I'm one of many. Ukyo's total liabilities are estimated at $2-$3 million between ukyo.loan and bitfunder. I'm getting a bit frustrated too. The well over hundred thousand that ukyo owes me would definitely make it worth my time to get the best lawyer I could find if I decide to go that route. Whatever you do, make sure you've thought it out very clearly first. You might end up costing yourself more money that you get out of it.

Do you want to join me with this ?the total liabilities from u and me is around 40k USD, and the legal cost for two of us should be the same as only one . it is worth to give a try, I think stay and waiting here would be useless. what you think?

I would, but I haven't decided definitely to go that route yet. I sent a message to ukyo a few days ago and I'm going to give him a chance to respond first.

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Quote from: WeexUser on March 07, 2014, 10:42:01 AM

I posted this in the moving forward thread yesterday but it is just as relevant here:

Quote from: justusranvier on March 06, 2014, 02:49:29 AM

Ukyo showed up at the Dallas Bitcoin meetups several times last summer, before that thread, and then disappeared a few months later.

He talked about having just come back from helping Mark Karpelles get Mt Gox working again after the DDoS, had bad things to say about Marks's organizational and coding abilities, and told us Mark's side of the dispute with CoinLab (all the stuff that came out in the countersuit).

At the time he claimed to be working to get the necessary state-level MSB licensing and was preparing to have WeExchange take over the USD side of Mt Gox's businesses. (Do all the things CoinLab promised but never achieved). That clearly never panned out.

He was worried about the SEC and Bitfunder and was looking for an exit strategy.

This was most likely also the big news he was talking about. Combined with the IRC-log from December 17, I think we might have uncovered the cause of the problems at weex (and mtgox?).

Code: (#weex)

 been fighting gox to coorolate things
 to find out exactly whats what on those orders
 er..
 >,>

uhoh, this is really bad then. If ukyo's new business venture involved mtgox then it is never going to happen and he should work on divinding up whatever assets are left.
 <,<
 i am going to shut up now.

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I posted this in the moving forward thread yesterday but it is just as relevant here:

Quote from: justusranvier on March 06, 2014, 02:49:29 AM

Ukyo showed up at the Dallas Bitcoin meetups several times last summer, before that thread, and then disappeared a few months later.

He talked about having just come back from helping Mark Karpelles get Mt Gox working again after the DDoS, had bad things to say about Marks's organizational and coding abilities, and told us Mark's side of the dispute with CoinLab (all the stuff that came out in the countersuit).

At the time he claimed to be working to get the necessary state-level MSB licensing and was preparing to have WeExchange take over the USD side of Mt Gox's businesses. (Do all the things CoinLab promised but never achieved). That clearly never panned out.

He was worried about the SEC and Bitfunder and was looking for an exit strategy.

This was most likely also the big news he was talking about. Combined with the IRC-log from December 17, I think we might have uncovered the cause of the problems at weex (and mtgox?).

Code: (#weex)

 been fighting gox to coorolate things
 to find out exactly whats what on those orders
 er..
 >,>
 <,<
 i am going to shut up now.

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I think the UKYO's address from Shitfanleak might a bit confuse, because there are two separate address belongs UKYO's which one should I use?
or these address isn't correct? if anyone knows real address, please let me know ,thanks ! also I have contact the two number from that website, has nobody answer the phone. The number I used also from whitepages.com

Below is the address and number from whitepages.com , I am doubt about the reliability of the information from this website. ?

8173065870
8175603458

741 Sparrow Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76131-2912

and

8101 Chapin Rd
Benbrook, TX 76116-6905

If anyone know which one is the real address of UKYO and phone number, please send me a PM, if you feel it is not good to put in here you also can send me email address : [email protected]

If I got my BTC back or send him to bankruptcy I will give you some BTC as a return.

Kind Regards

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Quote from: mgio on March 05, 2014, 04:21:09 PM

Quote from: glendall on March 05, 2014, 02:21:11 AM

Quote from: ADgordo on March 04, 2014, 08:34:22 PM

Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on March 04, 2014, 08:06:21 PM

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

How long do you plan to wait before you would consider that your money has been stolen. It has been about 3 months. So what then, wait another 3 months? 6? A year even?Would you even then, after a year, start to suspect your money was stolen? All the indicators point to this being the case, good luck with Jon coming back in the future and returning your money Undecided

It's a tough choice. He claims he has the money invested in new business ventures and that those investments should eventually return a profit allowing him to pay back the loan. Unfortunately he won't tell us what these ventures are or what their status is.

Since he has owned or ran several businesses in his life, he likely has some assets. If you sue him and he declares bankruptcy as a result, you won't get his house. The courts will likely let him keep that. But you may get something. After the lawyers take their giant share though. Before you do that, you should get a good idea of what his assets are.

I think I am still ukyo's biggest creditor, and I'm one of many. Ukyo's total liabilities are estimated at $2-$3 million between ukyo.loan and bitfunder. I'm getting a bit frustrated too. The well over hundred thousand that ukyo owes me would definitely make it worth my time to get the best lawyer I could find if I decide to go that route. Whatever you do, make sure you've thought it out very clearly first. You might end up costing yourself more money that you get out of it.

Do you want to join me with this ?the total liabilities from u and me is around 40k USD, and the legal cost for two of us should be the same as only one . it is worth to give a try, I think stay and waiting here would be useless. what you think?

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Quote from: glendall on March 05, 2014, 02:21:11 AM

Quote from: ADgordo on March 04, 2014, 08:34:22 PM

Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on March 04, 2014, 08:06:21 PM

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

How long do you plan to wait before you would consider that your money has been stolen. It has been about 3 months. So what then, wait another 3 months? 6? A year even?Would you even then, after a year, start to suspect your money was stolen? All the indicators point to this being the case, good luck with Jon coming back in the future and returning your money Undecided

It's a tough choice. He claims he has the money invested in new business ventures and that those investments should eventually return a profit allowing him to pay back the loan. Unfortunately he won't tell us what these ventures are or what their status is.

Since he has owned or ran several businesses in his life, he likely has some assets. If you sue him and he declares bankruptcy as a result, you won't get his house. The courts will likely let him keep that. But you may get something. After the lawyers take their giant share though. Before you do that, you should get a good idea of what his assets are.

I think I am still ukyo's biggest creditor, and I'm one of many. Ukyo's total liabilities are estimated at $2-$3 million between ukyo.loan and bitfunder. I'm getting a bit frustrated too. The well over hundred thousand that ukyo owes me would definitely make it worth my time to get the best lawyer I could find if I decide to go that route. Whatever you do, make sure you've thought it out very clearly first. You might end up costing yourself more money that you get out of it.

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Quote from: ADgordo on March 04, 2014, 08:34:22 PM

Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on March 04, 2014, 08:06:21 PM

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

How long do you plan to wait before you would consider that your money has been stolen. It has been about 3 months. So what then, wait another 3 months? 6? A year even?Would you even then, after a year, start to suspect your money was stolen? All the indicators point to this being the case, good luck with Jon coming back in the future and returning your money Undecided

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Quote from: ADgordo on March 04, 2014, 08:34:22 PM

Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on March 04, 2014, 08:06:21 PM

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

You still believe this guy is working on resolution ?? you r too naive....

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Quote from: SOSLOVE868 on March 04, 2014, 08:06:21 PM

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

Or by costing him legal fees you will ruin us all.

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guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

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Lets hope Graet &/or Ukyo were the one with the buy order down at 102 usd per BTC on BTC-E yesterday so they got a shitload of very cheep coins so they both can start to resolve this Ukyo loan/Graet loan/Weexchange thing soon.

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Quote from: WeexUser on January 29, 2014, 10:34:34 PM

...I have many theories about want could have happened but I generally try to avoid making comments about any matter where I am only able to guess.

No need for theories. Jon explained things tersely but clearly: Your money is unavailable because reasons.

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Quote from: glendall on January 29, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

WeexUser, do you want to claim for the record that you are not Ukyo / Jon Montroll ? I can't fathom why anyone would make an account and post over 70 messages supporting this scam unless it was in fact you.

No, I am not Jon or in any way working for him.(how exactly would he even benefit from that?) And while I am a long time lurker of this forum, this is my first(and only) account. I'm just a user that happen to follow this issue very close because I am being owed quite a bit Undecided

I am not directly supporting him, I just correct statements I can prove wrong since I see no reason for spreading false information about the issue.

Quote from: glendall on January 29, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

Just like Jon Montroll you never answer questions you don't want to ask, you just deflect them.

Can you please specify such questions, thanks. I have many theories about want could have happened but I generally try to avoid making comments about any matter where I am only able to guess.

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WeexUser, do you want to claim for the record that you are not Ukyo / Jon Montroll ? I can't fathom why anyone would make an account and post over 70 messages supporting this scam unless it was in fact you. Just like Jon Montroll you never answer questions you don't want to ask, you just deflect them.

As far as I recall the notice was not put up on Nov 16th. I checked after writing that post you wrote and recall not seeing that warning message. But let's say it was accurate. So Jon Montroll for 30 days or more, knew that he could not pay anyone back who deposited money to WeExchange, still allowed people deposit, without giving them any warning. Great Jon / Ukyo / WeexUser, you really proved what an innocent person you are. It was only for over a month that you accepted money with no ability to pay back the depositors Roll Eyes

You've had my BTC for over 2 months now, closer to 3 , and you want to argue and rationalize what is okay with this situation? You have a lot of nerve.

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Quote from: glendall on January 28, 2014, 05:10:50 PM

3) The withdraw problems were first brought to your attention in the third or fourth week of October. Yet you put no warning messages up and continued to accept depositss even though you knew you could not pay them back until sometime in December (anyone can check that thread themselves for the exact date.

Correction: Ukyo said he removed the deposit addresses November 16. Many users here can confirm that claim, including me.
It is actually a bit weird that you don't remember that because you made the following post in that thread.. Roll Eyes

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3605386

According to Ukyo, the first issue was a temporarily technical issue. If that is indeed true then there wouldn't have been any reason to stop deposits at that time. I agree that a warning should have been posted on the site but that does unfortunately not seem to be the norm in bitcoin-world. Not even mentioning that you have withdrawal issues seems to be a norm Undecided

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