BITMAIN AntMiner APW3-12-1600 PSU Series - page 10.

philipma1957

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 30, 2015, 10:41:23 AM

and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

I have three pieces APW3-12-1600 PSU.

APW3-12-1600 do not have power switch. I do not like that.

APW3-12-1600 powered up 3 x Antminer S5 and this is good.

any idea of efficiency ?

I was afraid it would be short of power to do 3 s-5's at 1150gh freq 350 .

Please post details if you can.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 30, 2015, 10:41:23 AM

and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

I have three pieces APW3-12-1600 PSU.

APW3-12-1600 do not have power switch. I do not like that.

APW3-12-1600 powered up 3 x Antminer S5 and this is good.

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I don't like the idea of putting a few chips in every device. It becomes almost the same arguments that everyone has against USB stick miners, with the addition of not being able to actually play with it making the idea less attractive. One main concern I have is that the manufacturer won't tell the customer it's in there, and the customer may not care to spend the extra $2 a month in power even if he knows about it, but that's fairly evil by my standards regardless. Then there's the concern over locked pools. If you can find a more efficient, reliable and still actually fully usable way to make a miner than to actually make a dedicated miner, sure. But if companies can hide things from their customers and thereby increase profits, odds are good that they will. I also don't mind seeing big farms take a hit, but I don't want to see them take a hit because they're being replaced by big dispersed farms with no power costs. But there's plenty of that discussion going on in at least two or three other threads already.

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Quote from: sidehack on May 30, 2015, 11:33:34 AM

I also wouldn't mind playing around with one, but I don't have the money to spend on stuff I don't need. I wonder how many they'd sell if it had your stamp of approval? Or conversely, how many they specifically wouldn't sell if it had your stamp of rejection? Maybe they're not willing to make that bet. Or maybe they figure they're selling enough of them anyway that it's not worth coordinationg a handoff.

Always hard to tell. Some gear I said was great sold well.

Many times newer people will trust me due to my 11 year ebay record.

I also post on:

anandtech
macrumors
123macmini
parts-express tech-talk
I do reviews for newegg

I have a decent rep on the net since 1998 which sometimes is longer then the person reading the posts.

My gut feeling is we are going to see a big shift in mining. Big farms 10ph or more are looking at a huge hit if price does not come up.
I really think putting a chip or two in gear that always runs will take off.
It would avoid the hafling problem coming up.
I have 3 cable boxes and a cable modem they are 24/7/365. Some small chips may be the way to go.

It could be a lot of fun for you in a few years. Getting scrapped routers with super good chips and building .05 watt per gh miners.

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I also wouldn't mind playing around with one, but I don't have the money to spend on stuff I don't need. I wonder how many they'd sell if it had your stamp of approval? Or conversely, how many they specifically wouldn't sell if it had your stamp of rejection? Maybe they're not willing to make that bet. Or maybe they figure they're selling enough of them anyway that it's not worth coordinationg a handoff.

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Quote from: sidehack on May 30, 2015, 10:46:24 AM

Or the current state of people able to test this thing effectively don't care to put up the $180 for it.

I offerred to test it and return it to the USA rep. They never responded. Other then the dog barking at my generous offer of 2 or 3 days of testing it at no charge to them. and returning it on my dime to I believe Colorado.

So no one has offered to prove if it is a platinum psu. or if it is not.

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Or the current state of people able to test this thing effectively don't care to put up the $180 for it.

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and yet to see any testing on this by anyone on any gear.

which shows the current state of home mining is pretty much dead at the moment.

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Quote from: pekatete on May 21, 2015, 05:36:41 PM

.... Is this PSU certified by any EU agency anyway?

No. Only

and China Export

logos. No CE logo.

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Quote from: dog1965 on May 21, 2015, 05:33:57 PM

Quote from: dogie on May 21, 2015, 05:27:18 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on May 21, 2015, 08:28:23 AM

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2015, 11:19:13 PM

2 s-3's pull about 1200 watts at freq 250 your gear should do a good job running 3 s-3's

I would do a comparison to an evga 1300 running s-3's you should get better watts.

Being realistic, what can we actually test on a PSU without proper DC equipment? "Yes it turns on, yes it didn't explode, yes it powered some miners, yes it consumed this much power". We already know these things from the 100s and 100s of S4s its in. The circlejerk of made up stuff is what needs to change, and it probably will now the guy with 7 different accounts is banned.

Basically. All we (most of us I'd imagine) can do is measure AC in and DC out and come to a very rough efficiency conclusion. Most of us won't be equipped to measure anything else.

Dogie, can you ask someone at BITMAIN if they'll stand behind their product by sending a review unit to jonnyguru? I'll gladly put them in touch with Oklahoma Wolf, or even take care of making it happen myself if their English isn't up to snuff.

I could pull out my fluke and tell some about it. I have not had a reason to use it in a while. Normally I use my cheaper gear for just getting readings.

I have had 3 S4's all new from Bitmain. All still work great on PSU not a single issue. So I personally have not had a issue with Bitmain PSU's.

Asking, I guess it depends if they want to sell 100 or 10,000 of them.

Did you get that fluke for free to ?

No... i payed quite a bit on it at one time, plus accessories. Looking back I should have spent it on something else.... but I always wanted a fluke.

I have not gotten one these for review either..... so might check your sources.

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This thing is, on the face of it, a fire hazard!
Once we get an independent, forum trusted reviewer that can give an unbiased opinion (not pretty pictures accompanied by waffle from a certified VAT fraudster) then that opinion can be changed. Is this PSU certified by any EU agency anyway?

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Quote from: dogie on May 21, 2015, 05:27:18 PM

Quote from: notlist3d on May 21, 2015, 08:28:23 AM

Quote from: Prelude on May 21, 2015, 07:02:18 AM

Quote from: dogie on May 21, 2015, 04:39:39 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2015, 11:19:13 PM

2 s-3's pull about 1200 watts at freq 250 your gear should do a good job running 3 s-3's

I would do a comparison to an evga 1300 running s-3's you should get better watts.

Being realistic, what can we actually test on a PSU without proper DC equipment? "Yes it turns on, yes it didn't explode, yes it powered some miners, yes it consumed this much power". We already know these things from the 100s and 100s of S4s its in. The circlejerk of made up stuff is what needs to change, and it probably will now the guy with 7 different accounts is banned.

Basically. All we (most of us I'd imagine) can do is measure AC in and DC out and come to a very rough efficiency conclusion. Most of us won't be equipped to measure anything else.

Dogie, can you ask someone at BITMAIN if they'll stand behind their product by sending a review unit to jonnyguru? I'll gladly put them in touch with Oklahoma Wolf, or even take care of making it happen myself if their English isn't up to snuff.

I could pull out my fluke and tell some about it. I have not had a reason to use it in a while. Normally I use my cheaper gear for just getting readings.

I have had 3 S4's all new from Bitmain. All still work great on PSU not a single issue. So I personally have not had a issue with Bitmain PSU's.

Asking, I guess it depends if they want to sell 100 or 10,000 of them.

Did you get that fluke for free to ?

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Quote from: notlist3d on May 21, 2015, 08:28:23 AM

Quote from: Prelude on May 21, 2015, 07:02:18 AM

Quote from: dogie on May 21, 2015, 04:39:39 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2015, 11:19:13 PM

2 s-3's pull about 1200 watts at freq 250 your gear should do a good job running 3 s-3's

I would do a comparison to an evga 1300 running s-3's you should get better watts.

Being realistic, what can we actually test on a PSU without proper DC equipment? "Yes it turns on, yes it didn't explode, yes it powered some miners, yes it consumed this much power". We already know these things from the 100s and 100s of S4s its in. The circlejerk of made up stuff is what needs to change, and it probably will now the guy with 7 different accounts is banned.

Basically. All we (most of us I'd imagine) can do is measure AC in and DC out and come to a very rough efficiency conclusion. Most of us won't be equipped to measure anything else.

Dogie, can you ask someone at BITMAIN if they'll stand behind their product by sending a review unit to jonnyguru? I'll gladly put them in touch with Oklahoma Wolf, or even take care of making it happen myself if their English isn't up to snuff.

I could pull out my fluke and tell some about it. I have not had a reason to use it in a while. Normally I use my cheaper gear for just getting readings.

I have had 3 S4's all new from Bitmain. All still work great on PSU not a single issue. So I personally have not had a issue with Bitmain PSU's.

Asking, I guess it depends if they want to sell 100 or 10,000 of them.

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Quote from: Prelude on May 21, 2015, 07:02:18 AM

Quote from: dogie on May 21, 2015, 04:39:39 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2015, 11:19:13 PM

2 s-3's pull about 1200 watts at freq 250 your gear should do a good job running 3 s-3's

I would do a comparison to an evga 1300 running s-3's you should get better watts.

Being realistic, what can we actually test on a PSU without proper DC equipment? "Yes it turns on, yes it didn't explode, yes it powered some miners, yes it consumed this much power". We already know these things from the 100s and 100s of S4s its in. The circlejerk of made up stuff is what needs to change, and it probably will now the guy with 7 different accounts is banned.

Basically. All we (most of us I'd imagine) can do is measure AC in and DC out and come to a very rough efficiency conclusion. Most of us won't be equipped to measure anything else.

Dogie, can you ask someone at BITMAIN if they'll stand behind their product by sending a review unit to jonnyguru? I'll gladly put them in touch with Oklahoma Wolf, or even take care of making it happen myself if their English isn't up to snuff.

I could pull out my fluke and tell some about it. I have not had a reason to use it in a while. Normally I use my cheaper gear for just getting readings.

I have had 3 S4's all new from Bitmain. All still work great on PSU not a single issue. So I personally have not had a issue with Bitmain PSU's.

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Quote from: dogie on May 21, 2015, 04:39:39 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2015, 11:19:13 PM

2 s-3's pull about 1200 watts at freq 250 your gear should do a good job running 3 s-3's

I would do a comparison to an evga 1300 running s-3's you should get better watts.

Being realistic, what can we actually test on a PSU without proper DC equipment? "Yes it turns on, yes it didn't explode, yes it powered some miners, yes it consumed this much power". We already know these things from the 100s and 100s of S4s its in. The circlejerk of made up stuff is what needs to change, and it probably will now the guy with 7 different accounts is banned.

Basically. All we (most of us I'd imagine) can do is measure AC in and DC out and come to a very rough efficiency conclusion. Most of us won't be equipped to measure anything else.

Dogie, can you ask someone at BITMAIN if they'll stand behind their product by sending a review unit to jonnyguru? I'll gladly put them in touch with Oklahoma Wolf, or even take care of making it happen myself if their English isn't up to snuff.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on May 20, 2015, 11:19:13 PM

2 s-3's pull about 1200 watts at freq 250 your gear should do a good job running 3 s-3's

I would do a comparison to an evga 1300 running s-3's you should get better watts.

Being realistic, what can we actually test on a PSU without proper DC equipment? "Yes it turns on, yes it didn't explode, yes it powered some miners, yes it consumed this much power". We already know these things from the 100s and 100s of S4s its in. The circlejerk of made up stuff is what needs to change, and it probably will now the guy with 7 different accounts is banned.

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Quote from: Rabinovitch on May 20, 2015, 11:45:24 PM

I can test it with one S5 and send in to your representative in Russia too. Grin

Everyone have seen my freestyle review of S5.

It was a good review. With the s-5 you can push the individual pcie cables harder then I can with my s-3's

An s-5 at 1300 gh would be a good test of the cables.

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I can test it with one S5 and send in to your representative in Russia too. Grin

Everyone have seen my freestyle review of S5.

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So after all the complaints mine included. No one purchased this to test it?

At bitmaintech :

I have no need for it so I will not buy one , but If you send me one I will test and review it and mail back to your USA

location.

I will run 3 s-3's using a 240 volt source. I will use the 12x 18 gauge cables 4 per s-3 and determine the amps is uses.

I have no interest and gave a fair review of your s-5 I also showed how to mod the s-5 to decent noise levels.

3 s-3's pull about 1200 watts at freq 250 your gear should do a good job running 3 s-3's

I would do a comparison to an evga 1300 running s-3's you should get better watts.

Note I no longer do any signatures and have been known to do fair and accurate reviews.

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Quote from: dog1965 on May 20, 2015, 08:12:35 PM

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Quote from: dog1965 on May 20, 2015, 07:24:33 PM

Quote from: Prelude on May 20, 2015, 06:01:10 PM

Man, some of you guys are fucking annoying. Get off of Dogie's case, or start a thread dedicated to Dogie bashing so you folks can congregate there and circle jerk each other in privacy so we don't have to continually read your fucking useless drivel.

Since none of you geniuses actually have one of these, I'll comment on them. I've got 3 S4+, and so far they're running great. Not a single issue. They seem much better than what came with S4s, by a long shot. Will they die in 2 months? Who the fuck knows. If BITMAIN is serious about these PSUs, they should send a sample to Oklahoma Wolf over at jonnyguru.com. He'll reveal the truth about this PSU in short order. (BITMAIN: If you're interested in this, I can set it up... Just PM me)

About those 2 pictures posted earlier... The first has nothing to even do with the PSU, it's a heat sink fin loose in the main S4 case. BITMAIN QC failure for sure, things like that are hardware killers. The second picture is of a pinched 12V fan wire inside the PSU. Yep, another QC issue, but one that falls on the PSU OEM, not BITMAIN. BITMAIN can't be expected to open up every PSU to check them out for physical damage, in fact they'd probably cause more problems than they'd catch if they did. What that picture tells me, is that the short circuit protection works perfectly in that PSU, and it saved the PSU from failure. You'd be a fool to think this only happens to BITMAIN hardware. Pinched wires have happened with Delta PSUs, Flextronic PSUs, Seasonic PSUs, etc... Shit happens. It'll just happen much less with the big boys I just mentioned.

Now, this PSU is a no-go for me. 18AWG wires and unknown quality means I'll stick to used server hardware made by the likes of Delta.

Blah Blah Blah Blah.....

All of his comment was very valid. Like a product or not your able to voice your opinion.

Eventually it becomes trolling like behavior. Posting meme equivalent images, trying to hurt a product over and over. It becomes bad behavior.

Exactly like a product or not you have the right to voice in this case post and image or opinion as many times as you like to as well. when I said blah blah blah I meant its getting repetitive nothing else. and of coarse his comments make a lot of sense "Except the cursing" especially Johnny guru he gives excellent reviews of PSU units.

to sum it up this forum reminds me of the jerry springer show that use to air in the USA years ago I don't know if it still does.

Pot, meet kettle.

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