Bitmain Antminer S6 and S7 Speculation - page 2.

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Quote from: torepia on September 10, 2015, 06:17:24 PM

Quote from: dmwardjr on September 10, 2015, 06:12:50 PM

Quote from: jlauzon on September 10, 2015, 11:57:59 AM

The S7 is showing up on Bitmain's site. Sorry if this is duped in another thread.

The fist pre-sale round will be deployed before 11:59PM on October 10th 2015 beijing time.

AntminerS7
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Power: 0.249w/GHS
Maintenance Fee:$0.0005796/GHS/Day

It's $1,823.00; Not $1,923.00 USD + shipping costs. Its been available for purchase at least a week now. I bought on day two (2) of their first availability.

He's talking about the S7 on hashnest. They cost 100$ more xD

Thx for clarifying...

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Quote from: dmwardjr on September 10, 2015, 06:12:50 PM

Quote from: jlauzon on September 10, 2015, 11:57:59 AM

The S7 is showing up on Bitmain's site. Sorry if this is duped in another thread.

The fist pre-sale round will be deployed before 11:59PM on October 10th 2015 beijing time.

AntminerS7
Price: 1923.0 USD(8.05349228฿) Stock: 978

Power: 0.249w/GHS
Maintenance Fee:$0.0005796/GHS/Day

It's $1,823.00; Not $1,923.00 USD + shipping costs. Its been available for purchase at least a week now. I bought on day two (2) of their first availability.

He's talking about the S7 on hashnest. They cost 100$ more xD

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Quote from: jlauzon on September 10, 2015, 11:57:59 AM

The S7 is showing up on Bitmain's site. Sorry if this is duped in another thread.

The fist pre-sale round will be deployed before 11:59PM on October 10th 2015 beijing time.

AntminerS7
Price: 1923.0 USD(8.05349228฿) Stock: 978

Power: 0.249w/GHS
Maintenance Fee:$0.0005796/GHS/Day

It's $1,823.00; Not $1,923.00 USD + shipping costs. Its been available for purchase at least a week now. I bought on day two (2) of their first availability.

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The S7 is showing up on Bitmain's site. Sorry if this is duped in another thread.

The fist pre-sale round will be deployed before 11:59PM on October 10th 2015 beijing time.

AntminerS7
Price: 1923.0 USD(8.05349228฿) Stock: 978

Power: 0.249w/GHS
Maintenance Fee:$0.0005796/GHS/Day

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Yep

almost that. ahahah nice one!

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Quote from: alani123 on March 26, 2015, 04:45:03 AM

BITMAIN Earth S1, the beginning.

First of all, s6 will not operate on SHA-256 ASICS.

S6 will operate on 10mm supercomputers made from mutated, hyperintelligent human brain cells. Bitmain estimates that those miners are going to be so efficient and effective that about 1/5 of the world's population will in some way invest in bitcoin. The demand is going to be so high that the bubble that's going to be created will make Bitmain the largest company in terms of revenue and reserves on earth.

Bitmain creates its own state and decentral bank. Shortly after they announce that there's not going to be a s7 miner since s6 turned out to be so efficient that it will remain profitable until the day only transaction fees are mined.

That's when Bitmain decides to invest into spacecrafts. In record time, they successfully launch a manned mission to Europa, the frozen moon. They establish a base there, this way it's easier for them to satisfy demand for miners from outer space. They also cover the planet's surface with self-sufficient S6s and since the planet itself is so cold, they manage to overclock them at a stable +40% hashrate.

Hashnest.com is now the main source of income of every state, human being and company worldwide. The planet is renamed to Bitmain Earth s1.

Seems like my prediction wasn't that far off.

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I would also argue that without announced specifications (hashrate, power draw, etc.), and a fairly firm date for product delivery, price is kinda meaningless. Yes, we got some good insight as a result of the BM1385, but the rest is still highly speculative. There are a variety of possible results using that chip, all of which have their advantages and drawbacks, along with associated costs.

As I've said before, price is the easiest thing to adjust on a product like this. All the engineering stuff is difficult to change once completed, but we've seen Bitmain tinker with the prices more than once in a week back in February.

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Quote from: alh on August 21, 2015, 12:30:19 PM

In terms of the cost for the S7, I'll just bet it's more than you'll want to pay. I think that the primary driver for the S7 price will be "Whatever the market will bear". Unless they have some serious competition in terms of gear, they will try and extract every dollar they can for each miner. I don't think they care about ROI times, except to the extent that their customers do calculations and then buy or refuse to buy. Since the price of BTC also factors into customer calculations on return, that will fold in, but the number one driver will be what folks are willing to pay, large or small.

Right now, they seem to have approximately zero credible competition. The SFARDS pricing provided them with plenty of room to the upside. Besides, it's easy to lower the price later if folks aren't buying. I expect they they think there is plenty of pent up demand for new hardware, and they are probably correct. That won't lead to a low price.

Just my rather cynical $.02 on the pricing guesses for the S7.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, alh.

I only wish I knew what that amount will be...

I would almost be willing to bet the first batch will be gone in less than 12 to 24 hours. Many more would be miners with power costs as high as $0.20 cents per kWH will be priced into buying this rig with almost double the hash rate at half the power. We already know large farms, small farms, hobbiest, etc... will want to get their hands on this rig. I can see the difficulty getting as high as 100 to 110 Billion by end of April 2016.

I may not jump on the S7 band wagon until batch 2 or 3.

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In terms of the cost for the S7, I'll just bet it's more than you'll want to pay. I think that the primary driver for the S7 price will be "Whatever the market will bear". Unless they have some serious competition in terms of gear, they will try and extract every dollar they can for each miner. I don't think they care about ROI times, except to the extent that their customers do calculations and then buy or refuse to buy. Since the price of BTC also factors into customer calculations on return, that will fold in, but the number one driver will be what folks are willing to pay, large or small.

Right now, they seem to have approximately zero credible competition. The SFARDS pricing provided them with plenty of room to the upside. Besides, it's easy to lower the price later if folks aren't buying. I expect they they think there is plenty of pent up demand for new hardware, and they are probably correct. That won't lead to a low price.

Just my rather cynical $.02 on the pricing guesses for the S7.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on August 21, 2015, 10:35:50 AM

Quote from: mavericklm on August 21, 2015, 08:59:29 AM

Quote from: VirosaGITS on August 20, 2015, 12:28:37 PM

Unless they continue that monster trend of 3x units.

15 or 16th monster..... muahahahhahah
i'd buy!

If they sell an 11th to 15th beast I will buy it.

If they go big

I rather they sell something that maxes at 2700 watts not 3500 watts

I would have to agree with you there, Phil.

All of my circuits are 240 Volt @ 30 Amps = 7,200 watts. It would be beneficial to put two big rigs on a 30 amp circuit without pushing it to its 7,200 watt limit for safety purposes. If less than 2,700 watts, it would be nice to have the rig low enough to put 3 or 4 rigs on one 240V/30A circuit.

Does anyone have any speculation about the "cost" per GH on the S7?

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I will prefer a 1500w-1700w max gear. So we could put that on a 15a 120v breaker. Grin

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i was thinking of underclocking the s5+ to ~2.8kw

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Quote from: mavericklm on August 21, 2015, 08:59:29 AM

Quote from: VirosaGITS on August 20, 2015, 12:28:37 PM

Unless they continue that monster trend of 3x units.

15 or 16th monster..... muahahahhahah
i'd buy!

If they sell an 11th to 15th beast I will buy it.

If they go big

I rather they sell something that maxes at 2700 watts not 3500 watts

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Quote from: VirosaGITS on August 20, 2015, 12:28:37 PM

Unless they continue that monster trend of 3x units.

15 or 16th monster..... muahahahhahah
i'd buy!

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Quote from: sidehack on August 20, 2015, 08:41:56 AM

Quote from: QuintLeo on August 20, 2015, 03:40:54 AM

Note that the specs they published on the BM1385 were the "at the wall" spec numbers, NOT the chip numbers, for power.

I'm fairly certain that's false. The chip spec they posted was 0.216W/GH which translates to 216W/TH and the machine-level number they gave was 230W/TH assuming a 93% PSU; 216/0.93=232 which backs up that assertion.

The spec I saw was the 230 watt / TH "at the wall" in that chart, the one that had the S5 listed at 510 watts/TH (which IME is a hair low, but some folks have reported hitting it in reviews).

I'm not sure how much power a BB uses, the fan ALONE is about 20 watts though (presuming the use the same fan as on the S5, I don't see any reason they'd change that) and the linkage board/logic probably used a watt or two.

I suspect the S7 eats a hair less power than the S5 did for it's hair-more-than-double hashrate - sidehack seems to be ending up at pretty much the same place as I did from slightly different start points. 9-)

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It is very unlikely they have S7's already at data centers. Don't really see a huge jump. Unless they put in S5 slots and did not do a big batch.

I don't see any reason why they would waste the time replacing Hashnest S5s with those S5+ things, only to have to turn around and replace them AGAIN with S7s. I do see a VERY FAINT possibility they have a "S7+/S8" design going into Hashnest.

Those "used" S5s are getting replaced by SOMETHING, after all.

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Basically we're likely to see a S5 design/fan/noise thing with around same watt consumption but twice the hashrate.

Unless they continue that monster trend of 3x units.

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Quote from: sidehack on August 20, 2015, 08:41:56 AM

Quote from: QuintLeo on August 20, 2015, 03:40:54 AM

Note that the specs they published on the BM1385 were the "at the wall" spec numbers, NOT the chip numbers, for power.

I'm fairly certain that's false. The chip spec they posted was 0.216W/GH which translates to 216W/TH and the machine-level number they gave was 230W/TH assuming a 93% PSU; 216/0.93=232 which backs up that assertion.

My bet is 2x18 string, 32.5GH per chip makes 1.17TH per board at 253W per board so about 505W for the pair at 2.34TH. Add 25W for controller and really loud fan makes 530W. A typical 90% PSU takes that up to 589W at the wall, or a 93% gives you 570W wall. I certainly wouldn't complain if it came in under that. I also certainly wouldn't complain to see a chip-level performance curve chart like they posted for the BM1384.

so 570 to 600 at the wall for 2340 gh = .2435 watts a gh to .2564 watts a gh

even at .28 watts a gh (shit psu bronze or worse) it would still be a solid improvement

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Quote from: QuintLeo on August 20, 2015, 03:40:54 AM

Note that the specs they published on the BM1385 were the "at the wall" spec numbers, NOT the chip numbers, for power.

I'm fairly certain that's false. The chip spec they posted was 0.216W/GH which translates to 216W/TH and the machine-level number they gave was 230W/TH assuming a 93% PSU; 216/0.93=232 which backs up that assertion.

My bet is 2x18 string, 32.5GH per chip makes 1.17TH per board at 253W per board so about 505W for the pair at 2.34TH. Add 25W for controller and really loud fan makes 530W. A typical 90% PSU takes that up to 589W at the wall, or a 93% gives you 570W wall. I certainly wouldn't complain if it came in under that. I also certainly wouldn't complain to see a chip-level performance curve chart like they posted for the BM1384.

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oh men

I bought 25 s5's last week! Cry

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Quote from: QuintLeo on August 20, 2015, 03:40:54 AM

Quote from: sidehack on August 19, 2015, 07:37:29 PM

Don't forget the controller and fan power, which could easily be another 25W (becoming 28 more at the wall).

Note that the specs they published on the BM1385 were the "at the wall" spec numbers, NOT the chip numbers, for power.

I'm STILL saying they already have S7's built and hashing away in their farm/Hashnest.

I suspect the CHIP can go down to more like .12 at "optimal efficiency" undervolt.

The only "waste" to them on actually putting the S7 up for sale right now would be if they still have any of those S5+ things or any S5's left in their hands unsold. I'm CERTAIN that's the only thing they are waiting on, though if someone else releases a miner that might preempt them.

It is very unlikely they have S7's already at data centers. Don't really see a huge jump. Unless they put in S5 slots and did not do a big batch.

I think it's likely they have prototypes or working models. But I don't think they have a batch made yet for their dc. I think once mass production they will likely list quickly on site. We are not there yet in my mind.

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