Aren't the M20's not expected to be shipped until July/August?
Also, you have to consider your electrical installation, with 2 power cables the S17's can easily replace or go into current installs while the M20 requires 20A wiring.
Topic: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17 - page 24. (Read 11283 times)
April 08, 2019, 08:22:28 AM
Also, you have to consider your electrical installation, with 2 power cables the S17's can easily replace or go into current installs while the M20 requires 20A wiring.
April 08, 2019, 07:44:57 AM
It's hard to say the way they laid it out. I could see them cherry picking, that would make sense to be able to label it PRO and slap a few extra dollars on it.
Comparing them it almost looks like it just has poor control. They have a wide swing in hashrate like you said for the low mode. Not sure if that would be due to limitations on some chips preventing entire strings or boards from being able to properly lower their frequency.
The numbers aren't the worst on the min. expected. Seems getting an underperformer in hashrate here actually nets you a more efficient model. low 40's
Comparing them it almost looks like it just has poor control. They have a wide swing in hashrate like you said for the low mode. Not sure if that would be due to limitations on some chips preventing entire strings or boards from being able to properly lower their frequency.
The numbers aren't the worst on the min. expected. Seems getting an underperformer in hashrate here actually nets you a more efficient model. low 40's
April 08, 2019, 07:07:48 AM
lots to think about here. But I will be looking to get at least one.
the low setting is very efficient even in a hot space it is 42 watts a th
note no coupons will be allowed for this batch.
looks like they cherry picked chips to make the pro
if you look at the standard model it is much less efficient
35th or 50th for low?
power numbers are not too good for the standard machine
the low setting is very efficient even in a hot space it is 42 watts a th
note no coupons will be allowed for this batch.
looks like they cherry picked chips to make the pro
if you look at the standard model it is much less efficient
35th or 50th for low?
power numbers are not too good for the standard machine
April 08, 2019, 07:01:49 AM
They may be banking on people being willing to spend a few extra dollars to get the machine faster. It doesn't hurt to be first out of the gate before the machines drive the hashrate and Difficulty up.
Aren't the M20's not expected to be shipped until July/August?
Aren't the M20's not expected to be shipped until July/August?
April 08, 2019, 06:58:50 AM
Yes. And the 72th was 2048 with shipping 72 at 3312 watts = 46 watts a th
the pro here is 2790 watts and 62 th = 2790/62000 or 45 watts a th
the pro here hates the heat it drops to 52.79 watts a th at 40c
the pro here is 2790 watts and 62 th = 2790/62000 or 45 watts a th
the pro here hates the heat it drops to 52.79 watts a th at 40c
April 08, 2019, 06:53:50 AM
Wasn't the whatsminer M20 48th/s (46w/TH) at $1450?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/whatsminer-m20-is-announced-and-available-for-pre-order-5120959
If priced too high, Bitmain is gonna lost customers as they will wait for whatsminer restock.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/whatsminer-m20-is-announced-and-available-for-pre-order-5120959
If priced too high, Bitmain is gonna lost customers as they will wait for whatsminer restock.
April 08, 2019, 05:55:42 AM
Still no good if you have high electricty prices. Here in the UK i would make $0.79 a week 
April 08, 2019, 04:54:11 AM
The Chinese guy that supplies me says price will be around 2.3k usd, but not sure at what model he is referring to... Also, his price usually includes shipping costs to Europe, so maybe Bitmain will sell them between 1.9k and 2.1k? Although it also depends, if they have discounts or not price could be lower, for reference I've been buying 28Th S15s for 870usd shipping included 2 weeks ago, and Bitmain price was 1.035usd. Will see in a few days 
April 08, 2019, 03:46:02 AM
$5k/coin isn't that big a pump considering diff. I would hope about 2k a unit to move these well.
Wrong and right? Probably more wrong. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49823332
Wrong and right? Probably more wrong. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49823332
April 08, 2019, 01:52:11 AM
Note the voltage rating 200min-240max and the warning:
Caution: Wrong input voltage may probably cause miner damaged
Looks like dual power inputs on the PSU.
Anyone care to speculate on the prices or if they will limit purchase qnty per customer of the 1st batch of units?
With BTC up I bet they are gonna be pretty expensive.
Caution: Wrong input voltage may probably cause miner damaged
Looks like dual power inputs on the PSU.
Anyone care to speculate on the prices or if they will limit purchase qnty per customer of the 1st batch of units?
With BTC up I bet they are gonna be pretty expensive.
April 08, 2019, 12:45:14 AM
My favorite part is shipping late THIS month.
not enough time (most likely) for the tariff to go away.
it's a 27.6% add-on to the price in US.
It looks like an industrial/hosting machine with 82db of noise (maybe if someone has well insulated basement, it can work out).
April 07, 2019, 09:43:06 PM
My favorite part is shipping late THIS month.
April 07, 2019, 09:33:15 PM
Looks like they are updating everything so far it looks like all S17 and S17 pro.
But they have numbers ranging from 35-48 J/TH for the pro model this is @ 25 Celcisus it jumps if you're running warmer @ 40 Celsius you see 38-52 J/TH. That's between the 3 different power modes.
S17 seems to be 42-45 @ 25 Celsius and 43-51 @ 40 Celsius. Only 2 power modes.
Wide swings in hashrate and between the modes as well.
Pro = 36-62 TH/S based on mode
Regular = 35-53 TH/S
Damn these are looking good.
With these numbers I can't blame you
But they have numbers ranging from 35-48 J/TH for the pro model this is @ 25 Celcisus it jumps if you're running warmer @ 40 Celsius you see 38-52 J/TH. That's between the 3 different power modes.
S17 seems to be 42-45 @ 25 Celsius and 43-51 @ 40 Celsius. Only 2 power modes.
Wide swings in hashrate and between the modes as well.
Pro = 36-62 TH/S based on mode
Regular = 35-53 TH/S
Damn these are looking good.
I know I should wait, but I can’t help but feel like I’m going to be ordering one of these right away.
With these numbers I can't blame you
April 07, 2019, 09:17:47 PM
https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190407195201905KA2GYCYc0654
Some info on the pro right now on bitmain website.
53~62 THs @ 2800w
too much
Some info on the pro right now on bitmain website.
53~62 THs @ 2800w
too much
April 07, 2019, 08:31:44 PM
The normal s17 is 45th at 1650w. I am told by one of my 3rd party sellers who has a demo. I am unsure on pro still and no one seems to know. I imagine just higher hash rate.
1650/45000 = good.
. 37 watts a th. Vs 60 watts a th at high speed is better then 28 or 29 % improvement.I wonder if that demo is a cherrypicked unit.
I have carefully checked my 8 m10s and if I cherry picked all 24 boards I can get a really nice set of numbers much better the specs suggest is possible.
If the majority of s17s do 37 watts a th at high speed people will buy them.
April 07, 2019, 08:01:07 PM
The normal s17 is 45th at 1650w. I am told by one of my 3rd party sellers who has a demo. I am unsure on pro still and no one seems to know. I imagine just higher hash rate.
April 07, 2019, 10:18:08 AM
I will purchase 1 of each to review.
As for
30-35w/th
It won't be that good.
the s15 = 915 watts a 18000 hash or 50.8 watts on low setting so at low speed a 28% improvement is about 37 watts a th. and it won't be this good. cause fans and controller should not be 28% better only chips.
my best guess is 38 watts a th on low speed say 915 watts and 29th for the standard model
for high speed I guess 44 watts a th say 1600 watts and 37th for the standard model
that would be a 28% improvement of just the chips vs the s15.
My fear of the pro model is lots of power a 3000 plus watt psu = trouble.
I have been more inclined to like the whatsminer gear.
but I want to run:
2 s17's big one and little one
lots of m20's
at least 1 A1021 from avalon
I will do YouTube videos etc of all the above.
As for
30-35w/th
It won't be that good.
the s15 = 915 watts a 18000 hash or 50.8 watts on low setting so at low speed a 28% improvement is about 37 watts a th. and it won't be this good. cause fans and controller should not be 28% better only chips.
my best guess is 38 watts a th on low speed say 915 watts and 29th for the standard model
for high speed I guess 44 watts a th say 1600 watts and 37th for the standard model
that would be a 28% improvement of just the chips vs the s15.
My fear of the pro model is lots of power a 3000 plus watt psu = trouble.
I have been more inclined to like the whatsminer gear.
but I want to run:
2 s17's big one and little one
lots of m20's
at least 1 A1021 from avalon
I will do YouTube videos etc of all the above.
April 07, 2019, 08:13:12 AM
30-35w/th is pretty impressive. I hate bitmain but I most likely will be upgrading some btc mining gear for this miner.
April 07, 2019, 05:43:51 AM
I won't buy a S17, and as we know how generous Bitmain is with reviewers, that probably means no S17 review by me.
April 07, 2019, 05:30:16 AM
I know I should wait, but I can’t help but feel like I’m going to be ordering one of these right away.
Well, someone needs to review one for the community... I hope the thing can still be flashed with something open like Braiins OS, hoping the team of that project manages to port it and find "a means" to install it. But i guess it will depend in how much Bitmain "secured" it.
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