Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 138. (Read 531168 times)

The problem with the S9 is not the fan speed. It is running the chips at such low voltages to get the gaudy efficiency numbers that they ride on the cusp of failure at all times. Hence why the T9 has less chips running at a higher voltage and is much more stable and less prone to failure.

Beautifully put, Biffa. You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

numnutz2009:

Not sure what you hope to accomplish by feeding the troll, but, on behalf of all who have it on ignore, can you please stop quoting it?

And as for the capitalisation of your sentences, I do understand your laziness around the concept, but I'd just like to remind you:


Dear people who type
in all lowercase,

We are the difference
between helping your
Uncle Jack off a horse
and helping your uncle
jack off a horse.

Sincerely,
Capital Letters.

 

I love the fact that you cannot support your claims and then claim that you made no such claims. You entertain me.
Either:
Bitmain was wrong to control fan speeds (and you can factually support such a claim with data)
or
Everything you said was just meaningless trolling based on mere speculation.

You drivel on about how I should prove that "running the miners harder and hotter is the best option" while ignoring the 100, or so, times I've reiterated that the ROI is diminished at a far greater pace than any "improvements" seen by mere cgi file "underclocking" (never once have I questioned the validity of those, like Sidehack, that actually change things [including frequency and voltages] based on measured results). What good is a $1,200-1,800 miner that lasts 10 years and only produces a gross of $1,000 over the entire 10 year period?

Either present data to support your claim* or go back to your little troll-hole.



*surely someone with your level of certainty has charts with BTU output recordings to support your claim that manual fan speeds make the miners run "cooler" and more efficiently....

lol if u think im searchin through 200 pages of replies you have clearly lost your damn mind. the second part is dont twist my words....i didnt say bitmain was wrong to control fan speeds....what i said was running the miners at higher temps does not benefit the board chips or other components on the board at all. its a known fact...heat kills electronics so to assume otherwise is silly. i think your problem is you dont like to directly quote people. you rather read what they say and spew out things that are completely different than what was said in the first place lol. im still waiting for an explaination about how running the miners harder and hotter is the best option for them....not to mention a comment to every other part i commented on but when you have no response you tend to switch to a new topic which just so happens to come right after you twist the words of previous posts around lol. if your still unable to respond to things i can and will break down my replies to 1 topic at a time so your brain doesnt get overloaded. either way is fine with me buddy.

i should also ask what hardware/software experience do u have?? u havent answered anything so far....you just reply with more and more questions even after people (including me) took the time to reply answering you so do u feel like your somehow better than everyone else? that you dont have to answer anything but yet you demand answers to your questions? these simple facts are what tells me and everyone else that your a troll and that your posts dont benefit the community one bit. honestly you should be banned from this thread all together for your pure ignorance but i dont make that choice.

Well, the 1st part of that belies your entire belief system on what Bitmain should/shouldn't do with programmatically controlling fan speeds, and as for the 2nd, kindly link me to a single post (in this thread) where a single person has given a single fact-based reason (as in with actual data to support the conclusion that programmatically controlling fan speeds is bad/wrongly-configured on a large scale) as to why they believe Bitmain is erroneous in programmatically controlling fan speeds....

sorry for the delay in replying....i dont feel the need to take time out of my weekends to reply to trolls so i like to wait until im back in the office and have a few free minutes to respond to your nonsense.

the email says his name is "kai". that is part of the actual email address. the name on the email is in Chinese and like i have said before i only speak english so i cant read or even come close to understanding what the characters spell out so i wont bother trying to figure that out. The guy told me we are welcome to make the firmware ourselves using the source code posted. he didnt say it will void anything but i dont see it killing your warranty IF you use it the correct way. this isnt there to lower the fan speed. i even specifically told him i have 0 interest in lowering the speed of the fans. i only want to set them at a constant FASTER speed so the miner runs cooler and the fans dont whirl up and down up and down every few seconds.

I like how you keep trying to pick apart what i have posted. you shouldnt read between the lines so much though because im pretty open honest and blunt about everything i say. My question to you is how does running the miners at a lower temp somehow cause the miner to fail?? i know sub freezing temps can be bad for electronics not make to operate at those temps but we arent talking about icy conditions here....we are talking about typical ac unit temps of about 60-70 degrees F. do you think ramping the temps to 100 degrees c and holding them there is better for the board/components/chips?? its this simple fact alone that tells me you arent familiar with hardware like your claiming you are. i work on electronics daily day in and day out and in all the years i have run my business i havent ever seen anyone that thinks running machines at higher temps and harder is better for said machine. not one single time. even people here in this very same forum in this very same thread posted their concerns for the temps of these miners and that is coming from actual hardware developers....people that have made miners themselves and know more about the components being used then you or i do and yet you still fight it as if they are complete morons and know nothing about what they have spent probably hundreds of hours if not more tinkering with. your ego is far too large for one man.

of course bitmain warranty fixes boards for a premium. hell i highly doubt they "fix" boards at all. other posts i have seen showed entirely new boards being sent back to customers as replacements not the board they originally sent in but i havent dealt with them so i cant speak from experience there. what i can say for sure is no business does this sort of thing for free....they have to make money to pay the bills so of course they repair stuff at a premium so quoting that like you found the hold grail of evidence is completely moronic and its hard to even come up with words to describe how stupid that makes you look in general. but yet again your a sensitive guy that cant accept or admit when he has been beaten so by all means keep graspin at those staws my friend.

I had a 13THs S9 loose 1 hashboard.  Did reset, update...to no avail.  Notified Bitmain and they told me that I would have to send the ENTIRE S9 back to them in China.  What are your thoughts on this in comparison to sending the unit to BitmainWarranty(Denver)?

Yeah, that was my point.     Thanks for the reply.

PREMIUM!

How about the eDonkeys?

Go haunt some other thread. You are wasting our time.

Ignored.

Under warranty or at a premium?

@numnutz2009 & @ComputerGenie

Ouch Ouch Ouch!  lets not be like Core vs BU fight.  Lets be Happy Mining!!

If you break the hash PCB from own firmware version, we will be happy to repair your PCB for you!

That was the case long before you, or anyone else, even began to cry on here about them "taking it away". It's funny to watch you talk yourself in nonsensical circles.


Edit:
OK, so here's the real question:

Did this non-sourced, since you "cant read chinese[sic] so the name on the email is unknown", "engineer" tell you that Bitmain will break from it's long-standing policy and continue to uphold the warranty on any S9 that you "compile the firmware yourself after altering the code to suite[sic] your needs"?  

what i said was clear and direct...so clear in fact u were able to form replies based on it so it must be pretty pretty good lol. so stop being a dramatic child that didnt get his way and move on to another topic please.

1. there u go again. an underclock option wouldnt be worth it if it was only able to chop off a small amount of speed from the freq. you said manual control of the firmware isnt able to be done and bitmain says it can be done and provided a solution for those that want to control the speed of auto tuned miners. also i believe my reply said to check the speed of the slowest board so you dont push that one harder by setting the freq manually right?? if u bothered reading my response before letting your fingers go on a rampage u would have seen that info. others saw it....why not u?? interesting.

but like we said before having the ability to run them at a lower freq at any given time is a feature that is available to everyone now even though you stated its not possible and that bitmain wont waste time giving it to us. u cant deny that fact buddy....sorry.

2. ok so do u believe it now than?? bitmain already gave us freq control....fan control is there as well you just have to compile the firmware yourself after altering the code to suite your needs. this was all said by bitmains engineer not by me. even thought its posted there in your face your still unable to accept the fact that your wrong. this is why im still undecided on u bein an old fart or some child with too much time on his hands. but at the end of the day i know a troll is there just to argue with people online. it doesnt matter if ur right or wrong u just like the argument so u can pretend like you dont see it if that makes u feel better. ik uk your wrong and thats good enough for me. it probably eats u up inside that uk u lost. does it physically hurt or is it an emotional kinda pain??

oh also running the machines hotter doesnt sound like much of a safety net. but u already knew that too lol. good talk buddy.

Despite your continued unwillingness to type in coherent English sentences....

1) That's mischaracterization of what I said. While I'm certain that you can take excerpts out of context to support your position, my position is, was, and always will be that:
   a) The frequency is set in the PIC.
   b) When the whole board is "underclocked" to a given frequency, many boards contain chips that would actually be overclocked to a likely unsustainable frequency (i.e., a chip PICed at 415 set to 500).
   c) When a device has an inherently diminishing ROI (which is compounded daily by increase in network size and bi-weekly by diff increase), manually setting that device to intentionally further reduce ROI is counterproductive.
2) I'll believe that Bitmain will scrap a great many hours of writing code which physically protects the equipment that they sell (and provide warranty support for such unprotected devices), simply to pacify a handful of hobbyist consumers, when I see it.

Edit:
3) Bitcoin is at 4.24x since Jun '16:
    a) If you haven't been in at least that long, then you lack the experience to validate your belief system.
    b) If you have been in at least that long and you're not at a point where your ROI* is greater than 1.4 (theoretical should be ~1.7-1.85), then you lack the business acumen to validate your belief system.
    c) There is an almost 100% certainty that anyone that is disbelieving of 1a falls into the "not" portion of 3b. 


*(Gain - Cost)/Cost

what ur doin is trollin. u and i both know it and so does everyone else. that and who else would u be talkin to when you quote my replies in your posts?? im pretty sure im not assuming there...i mean who quotes me and then types a reply to some random person?? now that doesnt make sense to me at all buddy. but ir welcome to try and twist things around to make it look like its all made up if u want idc lol. its ur world....we r just livin in it right??

lol mkay buddy. there u go using a question as some sort of proof. ur so rigid my friend. if u bothered to read what i said u would know i have addressed what u have said many times. what is ur reasoning for thinking a design made by another human being or group of human beings is perfect and any alterations to said design are worthless? this would be the very first 100% perfect design in the history of engineering so again what makes you think the design is perfect??

by the way i would also like to point out you were wrong when we last spoke. remember how you claimed lowering the speeds wasnt possible because of the design of the boards on the auto tuned miners and asking is pointless?? well asking got the change....the change you claimed was impossible to achieve....it was somehow achievable....i guess us "hobby miners" know more about the hardware than you give us credit for lol. we made the impossible possible. i like the sound of that. once the fan control is completed you wont have a leg left to stand on....but honestly im fine with u hobblin around on one leg so anything more is icing on the cake.

I find it interesting that your level of narcissism causes you to think that anything I type is towards you on a personal level. I also find it interesting that you find an open discussion, about the ROI (or lack thereof) of equipment, to be something akin to trolling.

Should there come a day where you are willing/able to type in coherent English sentences, I invite you to attempt to get back on topic and explain how an average hobbyist might have a better understanding of the thermodynamics of a piece of computer equipment than the manufacturer of that piece of computer equipment...

Take your pissing contest elsewhere, this thread is for S9 issues, not your private bitching gallery...