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Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order - page 334. (Read 531297 times)

legendary
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It really does depend on what you're plugging into. There are a dozen different outlets for 240V.

I usually look at Iron Box Electric's eBay store for cords. I know that doesn't help the desire for Amazon Prime but they got a wide selection; about a third of my hosting (on 208V) is running through miscellaneous cords I got from them.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Could anyone recommend a power cord (preferably Amazon Prime) that would work with the Bitmain APW3-12-1600 PSU's that would work on 208v and/or 220v?  

Thanks.

I will look for one.

so the power supply end is a iec320c13

but what are you plugging it into?  





this wall plug?

http://www.amazon.com/SF-Cable-Universal-Power-Cord/dp/B0064SZ5K2?


a pdu socket takes this

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-IEC-320-C14-IEC-320-C13-P005-006/dp/B0027JTJ22?


notice 14awg  for the sake of safety in both types
newbie
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Could anyone recommend a power cord (preferably Amazon Prime) that would work with the Bitmain APW3-12-1600 PSU's that would work on 208v and/or 220v? 

Thanks.
legendary
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I wished there was a 1600w 120v server PSU instead of having to spend $320 on the EVGA.

 Run 2 miners on 3 of the 1300 G2 would be less expen$ive.

 As long as you don't mix PS on the same hash board, it should work - I ran 3x S5 (or 2x S5 and my SP20) on 2 1300s (or 2 Seasonic X1250) without issues, just make sure to power things up in the right order.
legendary
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so no for a small factor for this miner? soemthing like 7T but with 650w or around that?

legendary
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Oh man I missed the release of this!

 I see everyone still doesn't take into account when you buy something like this u tend to be REPLACING other equipment.
  So to me $2100 is a steal, the equipment I sell I will get back around $1000.
no 220volt so I guess its EVGA 1600watt for $320 another costs to add on.
  And selling off that other equipment drops the electricity used by so much for me. insane. ugh can't believe I missed this!
where are more! lol

Hope these don't fry like usual first batches.


I wished there was a 1600w 120v server PSU instead of having to spend $320 on the EVGA.

I know how you feel.  I'd love to run on IBMs 2800s, but I simply don't have the electrical infrastructure to make it work.  I don't have the luxury of starting from scratch and ROI is tough enough without electrical modifications (and what would I do with a ton of 240V when I'm done mining).

That said, ATX PSUs are far too expensive to be a long term solution also.  What I did was grab a few 900W (on 115v) HP-DPS1200s and hard wired them for load sharing.  That effectively gives you an 1,800W server PSU for about $70.  Add the cost of cables and you're still way ahead when compared to EVGA.

Past 750W I don't think it makes sense to buy ATX.  I wish someone would push out a single, or even double, blade version of the high efficiency chips for home mining.
Check eBay.  Just bought the EVGA SuperNova 1300, new for $149.00 plus shipping.
donator
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S9 Short Video - how to setup video to follow later today!

legendary
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aka "whocares"
@OgNasty,

Please wait for a few more minutes!!  PM on the way

Looks good, I don't see any issues with kano pool.

Shocker...   Roll Eyes

I am glad that was cleared up, since there seems to be a "conspiracy" against Bitmain, even though they are the only company that reliably sells miners to us.  Wink
legendary
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Thank you for clearing the issue up.
Are you selling any s-9s from the states yet? i was on the site this morning and the s-9 is not listed.
donator
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@OgNasty,

Please wait for a few more minutes!!  PM on the way

Looks good, I don't see any issues with kano pool.

Shocker...   Roll Eyes
donator
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Looks good, I don't see any issues with kano pool.

Shocker...   Roll Eyes
hero member
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S9 can hash in other pools as usual. I will upload more screenshots from other pools as they becomes available.







Looks good, I don't see any issues with kano pool.
hero member
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I have 3 S7's from 3 different batches and mining on Kano with greater than 100% luck, none of them have broken even yet, although 2 of them are close if I do not include the PSU.  But I do include the PSU in my ROI calculations since I buy them from newegg with BTC.  I bought brand new EVGA 1600's for the S7's so they were somewhere around 1 BTC each at the time of purchase.  So those two S7's need to generate about 1.2 BTC to break even on the miner itself plus the PSU.  My 3rd S7 is further behind, it needs another half bitcoin to get caught up to the other two, so 1.7 BTC to break even on the miner plus the PSU.  I expect I will probably break even on the miners by the halving but the PSU's may not get paid for for some time.  I could sell the S7's at or close to break even on the miner and upgrade to S9's (just transfer the cost of the PSU's from the S7's to the S9's in my calculations) but I am with Puffy on this, it would cost more BTC then it would generate so totally not worth it at the current price.  If BTC value continues to rise it may get to a point where it is worth it even at $2100 but we got a lot more value to go up before that happens.  I have never purchased BTC with fiat so all of my miners are purchased with BTC I already mined going back a while now.  It makes zero sense for me to buy a miner with BTC I already have that will generate less BTC than it costs.  Until that calculus changes I won't be buying one of these things.

Shame, 3 S7s can be powered with less than $150 in PSU (2 IBM 2000 Watt PSUs ~35 each, breakout board $65 from finsky, and $2.50 PCIe cables). If you don't have 240 Volt, upgrade can be done for as low as $500 when you hire an electrician.
donator
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S9 can hash in other pools as usual. I will upload more screenshots from other pools as they becomes available.





legendary
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Evil beware: We have waffles!
About 16-17kw giving ~86.4THs is at work (free) the rest is at home @ 15cents/kwh (ouch!) but a s7 still makes about $5.86/day there after feeding. All depending on pool luck of course. On Kano the $5+ something seems to be the going long-term average. Historically I've always ran 5-6kw worth of miners at home at home since the late s1 days.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
NFW - I was rocking a similar roll-it-forward from about September 2013 through summer 2014 - started with a $400 AM Blade purchase and turned it into upward of 3TH by about June without any additional outlay. But that's when I shifted from pure mining to collecting interesting hardware. I traded a bunch of S1 off for an S2 even though I actually lost hashrate because I didn't already have one. I think the S3 in September 2014 was the last new miner I fetched until just the other day. Had I not switched gears and kept rocking maximizing hashrate I'd probably be upward of 100TH by now.

NFW, how much of your farm is on free power?
legendary
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Knowing sidehack's precision, he probably already cranked the numbers that he posted as being the likeliest.
Why would we get a drop anyway (from now to July)?
Plus, minor point, but S9 is NOT more than three times S7 (at least not B1, 3, 5,7, 8-16). 14/4.86 (B1,3,5)=2.88; 14/5.06 (B7)=2.77; 14/4.73 (B>eight)=2.96
Just saying.

You have a point.  But still, it's right at 3 times.
legendary
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Evil beware: We have waffles!
With all the talk on ROi, all I can say is:
Jan 2014, bought 2x 10GHs BFL miners from TigerDirect for $349 ea.. Quickly was hooked.

Feb 28 2014, Saw AMT's 512GHs miner for $4,000. Considering that Antminer s1's were around $2,300 at this time and from an unknown to me at-that-time Chinese company, I ordered the AMT A1 rig, eventually was sent a 1.2THs Dragon clone from AMT in Sept. 2014.

Late March 2014, getting tired of AMT's stall tactics but since still hooked, took a deep breath and ordered 2x Ant s1's  now @ $1,200ea through Amazon (Buyer protection and all that).

Mid to late April 2014, getting good returns, bought 2x more Ant s1's @ $750 each, again through Amazon.

Those are all the miners bought with $USD for a grand total of $8,598.00

Since then all expansion and upgrades of my farm has been solely financed using BTC earned from mining with the upgrades covering all Bitmain models except the s5+, most of the time getting at least 1 batch-1 and paying the price for it. Naturally all sales were/are now directly through Bitmain aside from what was apparently the very last new-unused-in-box s4+ that I got through Zoomhash.

I've bought probably close to $10k worth of consumer and IT goods from Tigerdirect using BTC -- which more than covers my total cash outlay when I got started -- before their consumer div went under last Dec. (and their CEO along with former Owner went to prison...)

Now running 110THs worth of mostly s7's (and have two b18 spares doh!) and even after ordering a s9 I still have >25BTC in the active kitty. So mining never makes ROI much less NET income how?
hero member
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Anybody ever heard of Bitmain offering 50% discount to VIP customers?
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Biodom - Actually I was just winging it and using numbers that would backtrack to S9 purchase price for comparison. But using dmwardjr's mining return numbers...

So an S9 would cost me a quarter coin in power if coin is at $1500, leaving me 1.95BTC from the 2.2BTC mined if I roll the entire power cost forward each month for a recompense in December. Though unrealistic, that makes the comparison easier (and also the most optimistic).

So I should buy 1.95BTC right now for about $1150 and cash it out for $2900 at the end of the year for a net profit of $1750?
Or should I buy 3.6BTC right now for about $2100, buy an S9, pay $360 in electric over the next 6 months, mine 2.2BTC and cash it out for about $3300 at the end of the year for a net profit of about $800?
Or should I buy 3.6BTC right now for about $2100 and cash it out at the end of the year for around $5400 for a net profit of around $3300 and no monthly expenditure?

If I'm paying monthly for power on an S9 by selling the required amount of coin monthly, I only actually keep around 1.86BTC by the end of it, so I'd cash out for about $2800 and a net profit of $700. Or I could have bought 1.86BTC for about $1100 and cash it at the end of the year for a $1700 profit.

Your numbers aren't very favorable for buying an S9 fresh. If an S7 runs 1/3 the hashrate it should net 1/3 the coinage, so about 0.73BTC which is currently valued at around $430. I can get an S7 aftermarket for around 0.5BTC and spend 0.25BTC on power (if I roll all my costs forward to recompense in December) for an ultimate breakeven. Or I can keep the BTC and cash out at year's end for a $450 profit. Dang, as much as I like the idea of $1500 coin those numbers really aren't encouraging at all for miners.

the problem as I see is how much growth?

Sep 25 2014   34,661,425,924   16.20%   248,116,151 GH/s

Nov 11 2015   65,848,255,180   5.77%   471,360,171 GH/s

30 jumps we did an average of  2.1%

so from the 7th of june for 30 jumps do we do 2.1%?

in 3 jumps you earn 1.1 btc if you have an s-9 and 5 cent power

and in 30 jumps you earn  8.38 btc

if you have 10 cent power you earn .88 before the  ½ ing
and you earn 5.6 btc   

so the s-9  need that growth rate above to do well

the network did that  so it could do it again. or it could do this rate


May 24 2016   199,312,067,531   2.60%   1,426,731,353 GH/s

Nov 24 2015   72,722,780,643   10.44%   520,569,941 GH/s


this is 7.1%    and thats is fucked.

so do you think we do 2.1% for 30 jumps  or 7.1% for 15 jumps


This is the bet  pure and simple . 

2.1% growth and the s-9 will be really nice.

7.1% growth and the s-9 will suck.    Buy and   hodl wins
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